Bill Murray Posted January 4, 2019 Posted January 4, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, RoyBatty is alive said: Seems very fair to me. Funny how PFF recently ranked Levi Wallace as the highest ranked rookie CB, way ahead of Denzel Ward who is at #10. This list seems to be a lot of name recognition factor here, rd 1 picks esp, they aren't to interested in guys taken after rd 2 most less a UDFA. I’m as pumped for Levi Wallace and his future as anyone on here, but you’re not being fair. PFF grade ppl on % positive plays without taking into account the volume of plays or who they were playing. Ward was their CB#1 playing almost every down against the other teams top WRs. Levi worked into the game in situational circumstances. Most the time it was an almost certain passing down, and was rarely against a genuine #1 WR bc Tre almost always covered the true #1s. He didn’t even play the first 9 games of the year. So, Levi is promising for sure, but did not have a better year than Ward, who won AFC ROTW for 2 of the first 5 weeks of the season, and played as their #1 CB all year. Edited January 4, 2019 by Bill Murray 2
Bing Bong Posted January 4, 2019 Posted January 4, 2019 That draft looks like it produced a ton of defensive stats. Edmunds Is in good company at that spot
jlgarsh Posted January 4, 2019 Posted January 4, 2019 I'm surprised Foster didn't even get a mention based on his performance from week 10 on. 1
Mr. WEO Posted January 4, 2019 Posted January 4, 2019 Nick Chubb ahead of Darnold and Allen (even Jackson). What a joke
BarleyNY Posted January 4, 2019 Posted January 4, 2019 36 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Nick Chubb ahead of Darnold and Allen (even Jackson). What a joke It’s not. You should watch him play. He earned that ranking.
Stank_Nasty Posted January 4, 2019 Posted January 4, 2019 (edited) 5 hours ago, from_dunkirk said: I suspect his throw to Clay at Miami would have been the top play had Clay caught the ball. In hindsight, with the 7 draft slots he “earned” us, it was the most beneficial play clay has made for this franchise in his 4 years as a bill. Edited January 4, 2019 by Stank_Nasty 1 1
ProcessAccepted Posted January 4, 2019 Posted January 4, 2019 Who cares!!!! is just like the power rankings, some tool trying to generate clicks. My play is to watch next season and watch #14 & #15 dominate with more talent around them
Jay_Fixit Posted January 4, 2019 Posted January 4, 2019 1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said: Nick Chubb ahead of Darnold and Allen (even Jackson). What a joke No, it’s not.
PrimeTime101 Posted January 4, 2019 Posted January 4, 2019 4 hours ago, ticketssince61 said: Dallas won - they only used one draft pick; we used two! yea I was a fan of the pick not the trade
RoyBatty is alive Posted January 4, 2019 Posted January 4, 2019 1 hour ago, Bill Murray said: I’m as pumped for Levi Wallace and his future as anyone on here, but you’re not being fair. PFF grade ppl on % positive plays without taking into account the volume of plays or who they were playing. Ward was their CB#1 playing almost every down against the other teams top WRs. Levi worked into the game in situational circumstances. Most the time it was an almost certain passing down, and was rarely against a genuine #1 WR bc Tre almost always covered the true #1s. He didn’t even play the first 9 games of the year. So, Levi is promising for sure, but did not have a better year than Ward, who won AFC ROTW for 2 of the first 5 weeks of the season, and played as their #1 CB all year. All very valid points. If i could would i trade Denzel for Wallace, yes right now. 2
billsfan89 Posted January 4, 2019 Posted January 4, 2019 1 hour ago, BarleyNY said: It’s not. You should watch him play. He earned that ranking. Dude was a beast the last half of the season. Outside of maybe Barkley he might have been the best back the last 8 games of the season. 1
Shaw66 Posted January 4, 2019 Posted January 4, 2019 Quickly eyeballing it, Colts have two in the top 10 and 3 in top 25. That and getting Luck back explains the turnaround. Browns have three in the top 10, including a QB. I didn't see anyone other than the Bills and Bears with two in the top 20. So on that list, the Bills are big winners compared to most the league. And if they were big winners, it means they have their two most important positions filled for next ten years. That's HUGE. Think about that - McBeane don't have to worry about a QB or an MLB for ten years. Belichick had it at QB, but no place on his defense. Bills need good coaching and good role players. Imagine a future where the Browns and Bills fight for AFC supremacy year after year. Like the Pats and the Colts, or the Pats and the Steelers. It's not so far-fetched.
Codyny13 Posted January 4, 2019 Posted January 4, 2019 4 hours ago, ILBillsfan said: Jackson ahead of Allen and Darnold is silly He’s in the playoffs, that’s all they care about. Also, you never hear about him running non stop and not throwing. Black qb stigma to white.
Iverwig Posted January 4, 2019 Posted January 4, 2019 3 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: Nick Chubb ahead of Darnold and Allen (even Jackson). What a joke You have to be kidding me! Nick Chubb had a great season for a rookie.
Augie Posted January 4, 2019 Posted January 4, 2019 4 hours ago, ILBillsfan said: Jackson ahead of Allen and Darnold is silly He gets credit for going 6-1 as a starter. I wonder if the surrounding cast, you know, all the OTHER players on the team in a team sport, might make a difference?
artmalibu Posted January 4, 2019 Posted January 4, 2019 They used the 7th and 16th pick to get the guys so the value looks ok to me!!!!
Augie Posted January 4, 2019 Posted January 4, 2019 37 minutes ago, Shaw66 said: Quickly eyeballing it, Colts have two in the top 10 and 3 in top 25. That and getting Luck back explains the turnaround. Browns have three in the top 10, including a QB. I didn't see anyone other than the Bills and Bears with two in the top 20. So on that list, the Bills are big winners compared to most the league. And if they were big winners, it means they have their two most important positions filled for next ten years. That's HUGE. Think about that - McBeane don't have to worry about a QB or an MLB for ten years. Belichick had it at QB, but no place on his defense. Bills need good coaching and good role players. Imagine a future where the Browns and Bills fight for AFC supremacy year after year. Like the Pats and the Colts, or the Pats and the Steelers. It's not so far-fetched. Actually, given the age of Edmunds, and the state of the league, these guys could easily be around more like 12-15+ years. Long way to go, so I won’t get too giddy, but I loved the progress they showed over the course of the season.
Mr. WEO Posted January 4, 2019 Posted January 4, 2019 2 hours ago, BarleyNY said: It’s not. You should watch him play. He earned that ranking. 1 hour ago, Jay_Fixit said: No, it’s not. 53 minutes ago, billsfan89 said: Dude was a beast the last half of the season. Outside of maybe Barkley he might have been the best back the last 8 games of the season. 1 minute ago, Iverwig said: You have to be kidding me! Nick Chubb had a great season for a rookie. No. It's a plug and play position. You can't compare it to being rookie QB. I t would make no sense to even attempt to. The guy was the 3rd best rookie this year---behind UDFA rookie Lindsay. After the bye, he had 2 games over 100 yards....and had 3 games where he rushed for 3.0, 3.4 and 2.7 yards. Those are not "beast" numbers... Josh Allen was a better rusher than Chubb in the last 6 weeks of the season... Again, he doesn't belong ahead of Allen (at least). 1
cd1 Posted January 4, 2019 Posted January 4, 2019 13 hours ago, Rc2catch said: I would agree with some of the list. The Lamar hype is hilarious to me. Ravens are running a legit high school offense and it’s working for a few games and the hype train chugs along. Id like to see what he does say losing by 14 if he can actually run an offense throwing the ball to get them back in the game. Not hating on the guy but they’re basically just running the wildcat with some interesting pulling formations from the lineman and teams are having trouble adjusting, don’t think that’s gonna work well in the playoffs. Some of the list is just name hype and draft positions. Some are legit stars in the making Lamar Jackson seems to be a larger Tyrod Taylor clone. He'll win you some games; he won't win you THE game.
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