Big Turk Posted January 3, 2019 Posted January 3, 2019 Allen struggles pretty much at every distance on throws to the right except on balls over 20 yards in the air. He also struggles badly on throws over 20 yards to the middle of the field and throws to left side of the field between 10-20 yards. He actually excels on throws from 0-10 yards over the middle. Hopefully they put in the time to correct this issue on throws to the right at short distances... 5 2 3
freddyjj Posted January 3, 2019 Posted January 3, 2019 Thanks for posting. Just wondered how dated it is as TD/INT #s appear to be through week 16 and may not include Dolphins' game.
MAJBobby Posted January 3, 2019 Posted January 3, 2019 A full offseason with Palmer not having to worry about Draft will benefit a ton. I expect big jump in year two 4
Big Turk Posted January 3, 2019 Author Posted January 3, 2019 Interesting that Darnold had the same issue on throws to the right...except his was red in the 20+ category too(apparently except the late 4th quarter throw he made to Anderson down the sideline over White that was picture perfect)... Is it inherently easier for a right handed QB to throw to the left?
LABILLBACKER Posted January 3, 2019 Posted January 3, 2019 From what I saw throughout the year the #1 thing Josh needs to work on is throwing behind his wrs on short slants/crosses. Watch the final Dolphins game. He couldn't lead them to save his life. Even Zays td was behind, but it accidentally worked out. He throws a good back shoulder. His accuracy numbers will improve. Keep working with Jordan Palmer..... 2
DuckyBoys Posted January 3, 2019 Posted January 3, 2019 Mechanics, he not resetting his feet to the right You can get away with it to the left They will fix it 3 1
BringBackFlutie Posted January 3, 2019 Posted January 3, 2019 5 minutes ago, matter2003 said: Interesting that Darnold had the same issue on throws to the right...except his was red in the 20+ category too(apparently except the late 4th quarter throw he made to Anderson down the sideline over White that was picture perfect)... Is it inherently easier for a right handed QB to throw to the left? It always was for me. I'd rather hit a shallow cross to the left after it crossed my face than a quick slant to the middle while the route is still to my right. It didn't really matter for deeper throws when I had time to set my feet towards the throw. 1 minute ago, DuckyBoys said: Mechanics, he not resetting his feet to the right You can get away with it to the left They will fix it Beat me to it. 1
billspro Posted January 3, 2019 Posted January 3, 2019 19 minutes ago, matter2003 said: Allen struggles pretty much at every distance on throws to the right except on balls over 20 yards in the air. He also struggles badly on throws over 20 yards to the middle of the field and throws to left side of the field between 10-20 yards. He actually excels on throws from 0-10 yards over the middle. Hopefully they put in the time to correct this issue on throws to the right at short distances... I feel like most of his throw aways were to the right, that might be a factor as well.
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted January 3, 2019 Posted January 3, 2019 (edited) That zay jones TD against miami in the first meeting was deep middle - Must have been just short of 20 yards in the air? Edited January 3, 2019 by dneveu
BuffaloHokie13 Posted January 3, 2019 Posted January 3, 2019 3 minutes ago, dneveu said: That zay jones TD against miami in the first meeting was deep middle - Must have been just short of 20 yards in the air? chart doesn't include Miami. He finished with 10 TDs and 12 INTs, not 7 & 11 1
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted January 3, 2019 Posted January 3, 2019 Just now, BuffaloHokie13 said: chart doesn't include Miami. He finished with 10 TDs and 12 INTs, not 7 & 11 This throw was in the first meeting so it should be there? He like rifled it over the middle and zay caught it at like the 3 and dove in.
BuffaloHokie13 Posted January 3, 2019 Posted January 3, 2019 2 minutes ago, dneveu said: This throw was in the first meeting so it should be there? He like rifled it over the middle and zay caught it at like the 3 and dove in. Oh. No idea then.
Yav Posted January 3, 2019 Posted January 3, 2019 And just how are they accounting for dropped passes? I'm sure KB didn't help Allens stats at all. I've seen him hit quite a few WR in the hands and they dropped the ball, again how is that being factored in? I'd love to see a true stat on dropped balls by team as well as player. I've looked and there is no way Zay dropped only 2 passes all season, and from all online stats that's all I could find, with KB only dropping 2 as well. Those stats are not accurate. I'm sure if those passes were caught then we'd be seeing a 60% completion or close to it.
Lagoon Blues Posted January 3, 2019 Posted January 3, 2019 28 minutes ago, dneveu said: That zay jones TD against miami in the first meeting was deep middle - Must have been just short of 20 yards in the air? For some reason that came to mind for me as well. I feel like there was more than that too.
Trogdor Posted January 3, 2019 Posted January 3, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Yav said: And just how are they accounting for dropped passes? I'm sure KB didn't help Allens stats at all. I've seen him hit quite a few WR in the hands and they dropped the ball, again how is that being factored in? I'd love to see a true stat on dropped balls by team as well as player. I've looked and there is no way Zay dropped only 2 passes all season, and from all online stats that's all I could find, with KB only dropping 2 as well. Those stats are not accurate. I'm sure if those passes were caught then we'd be seeing a 60% completion or close to it. This horse has been beat. All teams have drops and sadly the Bills aren't even the worst offenders. He is being judged against all the other QBs who also have drops and throwaways. This isn't some report aimed directly at him. Edited January 3, 2019 by Trogdor
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted January 3, 2019 Posted January 3, 2019 3 minutes ago, Lagoon Blues said: For some reason that came to mind for me as well. I feel like there was more than that too. I looked it up and its a 25 yard TD - but i don't remember where he caught it... didn't think it was at the 5 but i guess its possible?
dakrider Posted January 3, 2019 Posted January 3, 2019 I don't think there were very many passes over 20 yards thrown in middle of field. But the right side less than avg. is certainly a trend.
JESSEFEFFER Posted January 3, 2019 Posted January 3, 2019 (edited) In rollouts to the right, I can think of 3 times where he was intercepted just prior to going out-of-bounds and it seems like most of his throw aways happened that way. I can think of two almost TDs against the Vikings and Dolphins both were to Ivory but he really wasn't throwing those balls to his right. More likely to have rolled right and run it in for a TD than having passed for one. As a matter of fact, if they didn't ignore his rollouts or at least isolate them, I'd think these stats would be a meaningless mess. Edited January 3, 2019 by JESSEFEFFER
Yav Posted January 3, 2019 Posted January 3, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, Trogdor said: This horse has been beat. All teams have drops and sadly the Bills aren't even the worst offenders. He is being judged against all the other QBs who also have drops and throwaways. This isn't some report aimed directly at him. Never said it was a witch hunt. And if you do a little research the Bills are at the top of the drops in the NFL. At week 8 Cleveland was #1 in the NFL with a 7% drop rate followed by AZ & Buffalo who were in the 6% range. And Washing has the lowest drop rate at less than 1%. Now you you can say it’s been beaten but it’s not been analyzed at all. Sure all teams have drops but would it be fair to compare his numbers to Washings QBs? No because you now have a margin of error that your not accounting for. This is is why stats are miss leading. Anyone can mine data to support their claim, the key is to not only mine the data but to adjust based on variables and present the data on a level playing field. Lets say we take 1 game, and in that game Allen throws 1 pass deep center to KB and it hits him in the hands and he drops it. Now Alllen has a 0% over the middle for passes 20+ yards. Yet Brady throws the same pass, a little high but Gronk jumps up makes the catch and a TD. Brady ends with 100%. Does that stat show who threw a more accurate pass? No. A more catchable ball? No. But it shows Allen isn’t accurate. Edited January 3, 2019 by Yav 1
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