Gugny Posted January 4, 2019 Posted January 4, 2019 3 hours ago, tumaro02 said: 1. OK so you say viewership "across the board was down in 2017" and the reason was ????????? What other event season long caused this? I know many people who were turned off by the protest and gave up their Sunday Ticket and did not watch the rest of the season. 2. Do you have statistics to back up "didn't even make a dent"? My understanding was that viewership was down about 10% 3. Can you cite some data to back up your claims? I have no clue what you just said. Are you being snarky or what? Patriots was lower case... you made it upper? What is your point here? Sounds like snarky blather. 1. I meant television viewership across the board, as in not just sports, let alone the NFL. Less people watched TV. 2. Yes, I have one statistic ... TV Networks gave them MORE ***** MONEY. A lot more. 3. What kind of data are you looking for? I can tell you that there were significant dips in physical attendance for both the Rams and the Chargers, which affected overall league attendance totals; but attendance on a team by team basis remained consistent with previous years. I can tell you that the advertising dollars is how the NFL makes their money. A few thousand people who have an unhealthy level of affection for a song not re-upping their Sunday Ticket was not felt by the NFL. Not even a little.
Troll Toll Posted January 4, 2019 Posted January 4, 2019 I would venture a guess that it has to do with overall improved parity in the league this year. Many teams were in the hunt down the stretch. It wasn’t just non-stop coverage of the Patriots this year. Last year it felt like there were only a few contenders. Even the bad teams were interesting to watch because of the rookie QBs, Saquon Barkley and Gruden. Fitzmagic was back for a few weeks. It was an entertaining year in football. Most of last season wasn’t interesting. KC and LA (the season long favorites in each conference) were two must watch teams as well.
SoTier Posted January 4, 2019 Posted January 4, 2019 12 hours ago, Boyst62 said: Who controls the resources and land mass? What good is that "80.7" when it comes to worth? Not much My guess is that among the Americans with the most net worth, far more than 80.7% live in urban areas. For every millionaire who's living in Hooterville, Anywhere, USA, there's gotta be 10 millionaires living in or near big cities. In fact, the hallmark of rural America is its poverty, and that's true everywhere across the country -- and has been true since at least the 18th century when rural people began moving off farms/plantations and into towns and cities. Most Americans have lived in urban places since the 1920s. Since WWII, rural areas have been emptying out, especially of younger people, because most jobs and business opportunities are concentrated in urban metros, and the larger the metro, the more opportunities. Furthermore, much of the land and resources in rural America is owned by the state or federal governments (more than 50% IIRC in some western states), by large corporations, and by absentee landowners who may only have seasonal residences or hunting camps. Certainly farmers and ranchers aren't rolling in dough; most are in debt for land acquisition, capital improvements, equipment and livestock purchases, etc.
/dev/null Posted January 4, 2019 Posted January 4, 2019 The ratings aren't so much up as they are recovering from the decline from last year's anthem drama. But that's not the only reason. Notice several of the games are TNF. Credit the NFL and Fox/Amazon for scheduling prime time games people actually want to watch
Chris66 Posted January 4, 2019 Posted January 4, 2019 15 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said: is that like If you don't like the stats change the criteria? LOL you mean by streaming and not satellite right? Yes their streaming service 1
boyst Posted January 4, 2019 Posted January 4, 2019 2 hours ago, SoTier said: My guess is that among the Americans with the most net worth, far more than 80.7% live in urban areas. For every millionaire who's living in Hooterville, Anywhere, USA, there's gotta be 10 millionaires living in or near big cities. In fact, the hallmark of rural America is its poverty, and that's true everywhere across the country -- and has been true since at least the 18th century when rural people began moving off farms/plantations and into towns and cities. Most Americans have lived in urban places since the 1920s. Since WWII, rural areas have been emptying out, especially of younger people, because most jobs and business opportunities are concentrated in urban metros, and the larger the metro, the more opportunities. Furthermore, much of the land and resources in rural America is owned by the state or federal governments (more than 50% IIRC in some western states), by large corporations, and by absentee landowners who may only have seasonal residences or hunting camps. Certainly farmers and ranchers aren't rolling in dough; most are in debt for land acquisition, capital improvements, equipment and livestock purchases, etc. In reality, rural america owns urban America. On some black and white ledger urban America owns rural America. But, none of that matters when you simply disregard one for the other due to cognitive dissonance and perpetual bias.
Matt_In_NH Posted January 4, 2019 Posted January 4, 2019 So is it because of the election or the protests or both? What was the reason for the big dip last year. I think it was the election.
tcampbell104 Posted January 4, 2019 Posted January 4, 2019 13 minutes ago, mattynh said: So is it because of the election or the protests or both? What was the reason for the big dip last year. I think it was the election. racist being whipped into a frenzy by trump
Matt_In_NH Posted January 4, 2019 Posted January 4, 2019 14 minutes ago, tcampbell104 said: racist being whipped into a frenzy by trump Lets not get political and name calling. There are other places for that.
tcampbell104 Posted January 4, 2019 Posted January 4, 2019 3 minutes ago, mattynh said: Lets not get political and name calling. There are other places for that. yes sir
Not at the table Karlos Posted January 4, 2019 Posted January 4, 2019 On 1/3/2019 at 1:50 AM, Doc Brown said: That's impressive since cord cutting and streaming continues to increase. The NFL did a better job with getting better matchups for TNF and MNF. Emergence of young and talented quarterbacks, increased scoring, and legalized sports betting in some states pry also helped. Plus, boycotts never last long term when you have a decent product on the field. I don't think cord cutting would have a huge impact on watching games. The only game that needs some type of cable or subscription is Monday night. The rest can be watched with rabbit ears.
billsfan89 Posted January 4, 2019 Posted January 4, 2019 Keep in mind that 2016 and 2017 were really down years so the NFL ratings might be up 5% from 2017 but they still haven't recovered from the dips of the previous two seasons. That being said the NFL gaining back 5% of their audience is a good thing no matter how you slice it. They stopped the bleeding their own terrible management caused and gained back some of their losses. I am not sure if they will ever get back to their peak of 2015 just due to the younger generation's interest in all sports fading. But the NFL still certainly is a ratings machine.
Bing Bong Posted January 4, 2019 Posted January 4, 2019 On 1/2/2019 at 11:12 PM, row_33 said: Attendance was its worst in a long time, I assume they count tickets sold as some games were barely a third filled. I'll bet you can chalk a LOT of that to having 2 LA teams.
SoTier Posted January 4, 2019 Posted January 4, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, Boyst62 said: In reality, rural america owns urban America. On some black and white ledger urban America owns rural America. But, none of that matters when you simply disregard one for the other due to cognitive dissonance and perpetual bias. Nobody here -- and certainly not me -- is arguing that rural people are somehow inherently "different" than urban people. Most aren't. Of those whose attitudes may be considered out of step with mainstream thought, it's largely a function of age (the median age in any rural area is significantly higher than in any nearby urban area) and/or ignorance -- and sometimes by fear that's fueled by images in the local and national media as well as crap that spreads via social media. Lots of people living in urban areas share those same attitudes, but in smaller places with fewer people, those attitudes simply stand out more. You made a statement about "the country" being mostly rural and I corrected you by pointing out that most of "the country", ie, the people, live in urban areas. Unless you're speaking strictly in geographic or cartographic terms, a "country" is never just the land mass and resources, but always includes the people who live within the "country's" boundaries. A "country" without people simply isn't one. Edited January 4, 2019 by SoTier
boyst Posted January 4, 2019 Posted January 4, 2019 22 minutes ago, SoTier said: Nobody here -- and certainly not me -- is arguing that rural people are somehow inherently "different" than urban people. Most aren't. Of those whose attitudes may be considered out of step with mainstream thought, it's largely a function of age (the median age in any rural area is significantly higher than in any nearby urban area) and/or ignorance -- and sometimes by fear that's fueled by images in the local and national media as well as crap that spreads via social media. Lots of people living in urban areas share those same attitudes, but in smaller places with fewer people, those attitudes simply stand out more. You made a statement about "the country" being mostly rural and I corrected you by pointing out that most of "the country", ie, the people, live in urban areas. Unless you're speaking strictly in geographic or cartographic terms, a "country" is never just the land mass and resources, but always includes the people who live within the "country's" boundaries. A "country" without people simply isn't one. Apples and oranges on the country defined by people vs land. I definitely take more pride in this land than the people because people are stupid. Beyond that, lookingg at pop culture to see what mainstream is - I want nothing to do with it. Skinny jeans, whatever cardi b is, being an intolerable asshat because someone thinks differently, being 50 lbs overweight, raised on a Dissny fairytale pumping oversexed culture, knowing the difference between game of thrones and the walking dead... Just ***** that isn't worth a lick of my time. This country is full of confused wannabees who have no individualism reciting the same thing they heard on the radio this morning being obese watching the latest pornhub craze in front of a TV they probably can't afford. Nah. Not me, that part of the country can phase itself out.
Mr. WEO Posted January 4, 2019 Posted January 4, 2019 NFL destroying NBA and MLB....again. It's not even close anymore.
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted January 5, 2019 Posted January 5, 2019 https://www.yahoo.com/sports/fewer-people-watched-nfl-games-120255631.html fewer people watched those that watch, watched more.
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