row_33 Posted January 3, 2019 Posted January 3, 2019 6 hours ago, matter2003 said: So basically us along with almost all other teams have a crapload of cap space. Indy is in the playoffs this year and will have $122 million?? Are you serious? They are poised to be really really good for a long time. This indicates that teams are all aiming to go way below the cap and save $$$???
BananaB Posted January 3, 2019 Posted January 3, 2019 How can a team be over the cap space? Is there any rules for that? Noticed it a few times when these list gets put up, but I don’t really pay to much attention to the business side of the games.
Magox Posted January 3, 2019 Posted January 3, 2019 AJ is a potentially realistic trade partner. From Cincy's perspective,: He is on the wrong side of 30. They are not on the verge of competing for anything meaningful. He is on the last year of his contract. He gets injured a little more often then what you would like to see. I think he could potentially be had for a 2nd and 4th sort of proposal.
GunnerBill Posted January 3, 2019 Posted January 3, 2019 43 minutes ago, BananaB said: How can a team be over the cap space? Is there any rules for that? Noticed it a few times when these list gets put up, but I don’t really pay to much attention to the business side of the games. Because essentially what that is showing you is a team's proposed cap hits for 2019. A team doesn't have to be below the cap for 2019 until the official start of the league year in March. Think of it this way for simplicity. I could with a totally empty roster tomorrow, sign 53 players, pay them all $3m for 2018 to make sure I am under the cap for this year but commit to pay them all $15m for 2019. That puts me over the 2019 cap limit but until the league year starts in March that isn't a problem because only then does the 2019 cap take effect. So it is possible where a team has backloaded a lot of contracts for them to be already over the cap for a future year before that year begins. You never want to be of course because it means that you are in the business of having to cut guys before you can even sign your own draft class let alone go after an FAs. There were a few years in the early part of this decade where the Saints were routinely over the cap for the next year. Part of the reason they went 7-9 two or three times in a row was because they decided to eat some dead money and clean their cap up (not unlike the Bills this year). 1
Big Turk Posted January 3, 2019 Posted January 3, 2019 3 hours ago, row_33 said: This indicates that teams are all aiming to go way below the cap and save $$$??? I dont think they can...they have to spend to a floor I believe or face a penalty.
Chuck Wagon Posted January 3, 2019 Posted January 3, 2019 Indy is going to be a problem for a long time, assuming Luck's injury concerns are behind him. They can actually protect him now with a good young line, they have a very young D shaping up nicely and can sign about anyone they want. Cap space is incredibly overrated as a tool to improve a team IMO. People have been pointing at that as a potential saving grace, but there are several more desirable locations / teams with as much or more cap space as us and the elite teams that want to add talent always find a way to make the contracts work.
Foxx Posted January 3, 2019 Posted January 3, 2019 (edited) 12 hours ago, Chicharito said: https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cap/2019/ you guys talking AJ Green may not be falling off the your rockers like I thought! Cincinnati is in BIG TROUBLE . lol. the Colts @ 121mm and already a playoff team. they are going to be ridicules in the near future for the long term. 4 hours ago, GunnerBill said: Yea. Really, really good GM. And critically he had money last year but did't spend loads of it. Judicious was probably his watch word too. McDaniels is an idiot. Edited January 3, 2019 by Foxx
Foxx Posted January 3, 2019 Posted January 3, 2019 (edited) looking at the numbers again, i would say that we are in better position than the Jets at #2. sure they have $20mm more to spend than we do but they also have only 35 players signed at this point whereas we have 48 signed. Indy has 41 players signed and a whopping $37mm more to spend than we do so, they are far and away in a better position than we are. Edited January 3, 2019 by Foxx
GunnerBill Posted January 3, 2019 Posted January 3, 2019 15 minutes ago, Foxx said: McDaniels is an idiot. Yep. But having said that I think Reich is a better fit there in any event. 1
Mango Posted January 3, 2019 Posted January 3, 2019 11 hours ago, matter2003 said: So basically us along with almost all other teams have a crapload of cap space. Indy is in the playoffs this year and will have $122 million?? Are you serious? They are poised to be really really good for a long time. I had the exact same thought. Pretty dangerous going forward. The Browns are another one to watch. They played some good football this year, and tight against some pretty good teams. Lots of room. If Baker continues to progress, they could be very dangerous very quickly.
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted January 3, 2019 Posted January 3, 2019 RANK TEAM SIGNED AVG AGE ACTIVE DEAD ADJUSTMENTS TOTAL CAP CAP SPACE 1 Indianapolis Colts 41 25.22 $115,727,690 $1,125,488 $49,445,909 $116,853,178 $121,592,731 2 New York Jets 35 25.43 $101,699,117 $959,276 $18,117,681 $102,658,393 $104,459,288 3 Buffalo Bills 48 26.35 $108,593,106 $2,997,523 $6,977,296 $111,590,629 $84,386,667 4 Cleveland Browns 57 25.66 $162,793,489 $4,893,921 $53,646,046 $167,687,410 $74,958,636 5 Oakland Raiders 50 25.96 $120,728,820 $1,459,399 $4,591,381 $122,188,219 $71,403,162 6 Houston Texans 41 25.93 $134,734,706 $1,769,454 $14,848,609 $136,504,160 $67,344,449 7 Seattle Seahawks 34 25.5 $118,308,485 $853,791 $3,542,241 $132,162,276 $60,379,965 LEAGUE AVERAGE $38,708,079 2020 RANK TEAM SIGNED AVG AGE ACTIVE DEAD ADJUSTMENTS TOTAL CAP CAP SPACE 1 Buffalo Bills 21 25.9 $55,237,498 - $0 $55,237,498 $133,762,502 2 New York Jets 19 26.11 $71,637,332 - $0 $71,637,332 $117,362,668 3 Dallas Cowboys 20 25.85 $73,615,486 - $0 $73,615,486 $115,384,514 4 Oakland Raiders 21 26.71 $74,455,004 - $0 $74,455,004 $114,544,996 5 Indianapolis Colts 21 25.71 $75,230,946 - $0 $75,230,946 $113,769,054 6 Houston Texans 27 25.81 $81,202,436 - $0 $81,202,436 $107,797,564 7 New Orleans Saints 19 27 $83,881,439 - $0 $83,881,439 $105,118,561 8 Denver Broncos 22 26.32 $85,027,674 - $0 $85,027,674 $103,972,326 9 New England Patriots 24 27.13 $86,125,899 - $0 $86,125,899 $102,874,101 10 Los Angeles Chargers 23 26.74 $87,386,623 - $0 $87,386,623 $101,613,377 11 Seattle Seahawks 25 26.12 $75,703,419 - $0 $90,203,419 $98,796,581 of course 2020 will be shaped by 2019 years contracts
row_33 Posted January 3, 2019 Posted January 3, 2019 1 hour ago, matter2003 said: I dont think they can...they have to spend to a floor I believe or face a penalty. I meant they are all deliberately staying well short of the ceiling. Every other sport with a team that cares is pushing into bypass territory. Nice scam for the NFL owners, throw out a mediocre product and nobody seems to notice... and save money...
Big Turk Posted January 3, 2019 Posted January 3, 2019 1 hour ago, row_33 said: I meant they are all deliberately staying well short of the ceiling. Every other sport with a team that cares is pushing into bypass territory. Nice scam for the NFL owners, throw out a mediocre product and nobody seems to notice... and save money... Yeah and there isnt much penalty for it either...basically teams have to have cash spend of 89% for a 4 year period and the only penalty if they don't is giving the difference to the NFLPA... Explained here in more detail: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dawgsbynature.com/platform/amp/2018/3/9/17099712/cleveland-browns-salary-cap-understanding-the-89-cash-spending-requirement
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