dakrider Posted January 2, 2019 Posted January 2, 2019 My thoughts are from the other side of the table. I initially thought that Buffalo would be the perfect spot for Josh Allen to land. But I also knew he would need some time to learn the NFL game. However I was disappointed and very concerned due to the fact Josh would not have a seasoned QB to learn the game from. Peterman and McCarron together hardly had any NFL starting experience and I'm sure they weren't too happy with all the attention Allen was getting. But I also knew that Allen wasn't NFL ready, I wanted him to be able to sit thru at least the first 8-10 games and learn how how a QB prepares for games in the NFL, and of course just be able to learn the offense. And then after watching several of the games this year I also was concerned Allen may never get a chance to really succeed because so many issues on the Bills offense from the O-line to penalties to poor running game and very average and lazy (Benjamin) receivers. So many of the Bills first 9 games they weren't even competitive. But then these 6 games got to see Allen improve his play and Bills actually become competitive again. So I'm much more optimistic now, but Bills definitely have to get a much better WR out there and a good possession type tight end. The interesting thing here as most of you can now see, its tough to simply tell someone how good Josh Allen may be. You have to watch him play to understand what he brings to the game. 1
billsintaiwan Posted January 2, 2019 Posted January 2, 2019 (edited) Was worried he would be brock osweiler. Worry assuaged quickly. My favorite qb since Kelly. Wouldn't want anyone else in league right now. The kid just has so much fire and upside. He will be a winner Edited January 2, 2019 by billsintaiwan
row_33 Posted January 2, 2019 Posted January 2, 2019 for sure, i didn't watch any of his time at Wyoming now i believe he has a lot of potential to be a strong franchise QB for the next few years
TigerJ Posted January 2, 2019 Posted January 2, 2019 I'm always intrigued by athleticism in an NFL prospect. I was hopeful that Josh's athleticism, intelligence and attitude would enable him to develop into a franchise QB. I'm more confident now than I was then that he is on track to do so, but he's not there yet.
dma0034 Posted January 2, 2019 Posted January 2, 2019 I didn't want him. Obviously that has changed. Mayfield is the only one I'd take over him now. Jackson would be right underneath him. Amazing how it turned out.
Amaru523 Posted January 2, 2019 Posted January 2, 2019 Add me to the list of people who wanted the other Josh. I actually put my face in my hands for a while after the pick was announced and shook my head for several days afterwards. I love the pick now, I was very impressed with how Allen improved as the season went on. He made several rookie mistakes, but overall I saw a guy that can can be an absolutely great QB if he has weapons and an O-line.
NickelCity Posted January 2, 2019 Posted January 2, 2019 *raises hand* I was pissed when we took Allen over Rosen. I fluctuated wildly on whether I liked or disliked Allen all offseason, changing my mind any given week. I was convinced Rosen would be good. I am now happy we have Allen and really think he might be something special.
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted January 2, 2019 Posted January 2, 2019 3 minutes ago, Amaru523 said: Add me to the list of people who wanted the other Josh. I actually put my face in my hands for a while after the pick was announced and shook my head for several days afterwards. I love the pick now, I was very impressed with how Allen improved as the season went on. He made several rookie mistakes, but overall I saw a guy that can can be an absolutely great QB if he has weapons and an O-line. There were very few posters here that wanted Allen. I definitely didn’t. - His his boom bust projection was extremely intimidating - his athleticism was extremely undersold Not sure how most everyone’s opinion hasn’t changed. Even his most vehement supporters were drooling over the cannon arm, but I think he’s shown there is so much more to him. jury is still 100% inconclusive on how this QB class turns out, best to worst, busts vs beasts but Josh is a far better prospect than many feared but still with a lot of work to do.
Jay_Fixit Posted January 2, 2019 Posted January 2, 2019 Absolutely. He still has the issues with ball placement and decision making that worried me in college, but his leadership and ability to make a play has changed the way I see him. I wanted Darnold and Mayfield and no part of either Josh. Glad that I appear to be wrong as of now. 1
RochesterLifer Posted January 2, 2019 Posted January 2, 2019 (edited) 11 minutes ago, NickelCity said: *raises hand* I was pissed when we took Allen over Rosen. I fluctuated wildly on whether I liked or disliked Allen all offseason, changing my mind any given week. I was convinced Rosen would be good. I am now happy we have Allen and really think he might be something special. When Josh Allen was announced, with my hopes for Josh Rosen, I dropped an F bomb in front of my family. I never swear with that crowd. I am now a big Josh Allen fan and enjoy being teased by my family for being so wrong. I believe we Bills fans have an increasingly bright future. Edited January 2, 2019 by RochesterLifer
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 2, 2019 Posted January 2, 2019 5 hours ago, BananaB said: I wasn’t a big fan on the pick, would of rather had Rosen at the time. Watching him play all year with probably the worst supporting cast in football, i’m glad Beane moved up to grab him. Now it’s time to build around him. This is pretty much me. I still feel he started far more raw in his throwing mechanics than other prospects and for that reason was not the best choice. But in the long haul, given a certain amount of athletic ability, it's how much work and effort a guy is willing to put in that make the difference to what his ceiling will become. Allen clearly has more than enough natural athletic ability. And he certainly seems as though he loves to play football and is willing to put in the grind. I'm excited to see what he can do with an upgrade on the pieces around him. 1 minute ago, RochesterLifer said: When Josh Allen was announced, with my hopes for Josh Rosen, I dropped an F bomb in front of my family. I never swear with that crowd. Haha I know exactly what you mean. My daughter dislikes it intensely when I swear, so I try hard not to. It wasn't just an F-bomb with me, it was more like an F-fusillade with a side order of several minutes inventive cussing. I believe I instantaneously conducted a geneaological survey of Beane's ancestry for several generations. 2
LSHMEAB Posted January 2, 2019 Posted January 2, 2019 30 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: This is pretty much me. I still feel he started far more raw in his throwing mechanics than other prospects and for that reason was not the best choice. But in the long haul, given a certain amount of athletic ability, it's how much work and effort a guy is willing to put in that make the difference to what his ceiling will become. Allen clearly has more than enough natural athletic ability. And he certainly seems as though he loves to play football and is willing to put in the grind. My hope is that this will ultimately be the difference between Allen and his boom/bust predecessors. Anecdotally, it would seem guys with such natural talent are unwilling to put in the work required to improve because they'd always gotten by on talent alone. Perhaps Allen's history of being overlooked by the likes of Fresno State separates him from the Jake Locker's who were handed everything before entering the NFL. It's really an oddity that someone so obviously gifted had to go the Juco/Wyoming route.
Nextmanup Posted January 2, 2019 Posted January 2, 2019 Hated the pick on draft day and remain skeptical that he will work out. He has impressed me with his intangibles--competitiveness, leadership, will to win---and he's straight up a better athlete than I thought he was. Still not doing NFL QB stuff on a high enough level consistently enough, but this was his first year and the QB position was screwed up pretty well by the coaching staff. Next year will be critical for him.
AlCowlingsTaxiService Posted January 2, 2019 Posted January 2, 2019 Absolutely has ...I recall the groans and the "WTF's?" when it was Allen rather than Rosen on draft night, and nobody has really any clue what the ceilings are on any of the QB's drafted this year, but for year one forced into the starting lineup due to injury and front office ineptitude? Allen definitely showed me more than I expected, while leaving a lot of room to grow this off season
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted January 2, 2019 Posted January 2, 2019 liked the pick. glad he was the pick. he is the future under center imo. saw this and thought it was cool. #1 http://www.nfl.com/videos/next-gen-stats/0ap3000001006638/Next-Gen-Stats-Top-5-longest-throws-of-2018-by-air-distance 1 1
DuckyBoys Posted January 2, 2019 Posted January 2, 2019 think I am in the minority I only wanted Allen or Mayfield and was teetering on Mayfield. Rosen was the one I absolutely wanted no part of. Hopefully he continues to improve and the Bills land him help
Alphadawg7 Posted January 2, 2019 Posted January 2, 2019 (edited) 8 hours ago, matter2003 said: For me, I didnt want him. I believed all the hype with his terrible completion percentage, that he wasn't ready, etc etc... I am a pretty big fan after watching his first year play out I have to admit. Accuracy is an issue but not as much as I think most people believe. Yes he makes some bad throws, but throwing the ball away, deeper throws than normal and dropped passes are a much bigger factor in his incompletions than his inaccuracy. in fact I was surprised to see his accuracy be so much better than i imagined...I was envisioning balls all over the place and terrible ball placement but I didnt see a lot of that. Were there some throws he would like back? Yeah sure there were...did he appear to be a 51.4% completion QB based on the accuracy of his throws? No way... His athleticism is off the charts, dude is crazy fast for his size and is explosive when running. He hits top speed quickly and can really move...you can see this by how many times a defender thinks they have him and takes a bad angle only to have Allen blow by the guy without him even touching him. I think shoring up the protection, and giving Allen some more weapons to work with will do a lot towards helping him improve his completion percentage. Do i think he will ever be a 65% completion QB? No. He will probably be similar to Cam Newton hovering around upper 50s to low 60s. I think we can still win with that based on how often he throws deeper passes and improving the talent around him. Needless to say I'm excited to see how things work out as he gets a full off season and all the work in minicamps and training camps as the undisputed #1 QB with continued help from Anderson and Barkley who he credits for a lot of his development in little nuances and understanding the game better. So has your opinion changed on Josh Allen from the draft to now? Well considering I wanted Allen after Mayfield went #1 on draft night, I guess I should say...No my opinion hasn't changed because I was high on him on draft night and still am. Now, at this exact time last year, I wanted nothing to do with Allen. It was his work with Palmer and how much he improved and blew me away during the draft process that had me drooling over this kids potential. I guess saying my opinion hasn't changed isnt totally accurate. Because now my opinion has gone from excited and optimistic to completely sold that we got our guy and that he will be a top 5 QB over his career and has the potential to be the best QB in the NFL during his career. I dont say that as a "homer"...I am floored by his athleticism, arm strength, and leadership. Add in his commitment to the game, his love for this team and Buffalo in general, his work ethic, his intelligence and his ability to be coached up and man this kids future is as bright as I can remember seeing. 11 minutes ago, DuckyBoys said: think I am in the minority I only wanted Allen or Mayfield and was teetering on Mayfield. Rosen was the one I absolutely wanted no part of. Hopefully he continues to improve and the Bills land him help Well I was right there with you. I was championing Mayfield most the CFB season when many people would mock me and claim he won't even go in the first round when I kept saying he was the best QB in the draft. And on draft night, Allen had worked his way up to my #2 spot and wanted nothing to do with Rosen. Edited January 2, 2019 by Alphadawg7 1
Alphadawg7 Posted January 2, 2019 Posted January 2, 2019 17 minutes ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said: liked the pick. glad he was the pick. he is the future under center imo. saw this and thought it was cool. #1 http://www.nfl.com/videos/next-gen-stats/0ap3000001006638/Next-Gen-Stats-Top-5-longest-throws-of-2018-by-air-distance What was most impressive about that was how little effort it took for Allen to do that...he was escaping pocket and just flung that down field like it was nothing. Imagine him next year flicking pass downfield to streaking WRs with speed from a clean pocket ? 1
Magox Posted January 2, 2019 Posted January 2, 2019 22 minutes ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said: liked the pick. glad he was the pick. he is the future under center imo. saw this and thought it was cool. #1 http://www.nfl.com/videos/next-gen-stats/0ap3000001006638/Next-Gen-Stats-Top-5-longest-throws-of-2018-by-air-distance And the ball wasn't even a tight spiral. 1
Bangarang Posted January 2, 2019 Posted January 2, 2019 (edited) I am cautiously optimistic on the verge of downright giddiness depending on how our offseason goes. I didn’t want Allen at all but he’s been far better than I anticipated. Edited January 2, 2019 by Bangarang 1
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