Dr. Who Posted January 4, 2019 Posted January 4, 2019 1 hour ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: In Bortles' second year (2015) his passing stats were 355/606 (58.6%) for 4,428 yards(7.31 YPA), 35 TDs, & 18 INTs. He also ran 52 times for 310 yards and 2 TDs. If those are Josh Allen's stats in year 2 I think everyone here is pretty excited. Yes, that's true. I am looking at Bortles where he is now. It does go to show it's a marathon, not a sprint. 1
LabattBlue Posted January 4, 2019 Posted January 4, 2019 (edited) His results in the passing game was where I expected it to be. Lots of ups and downs. Where he surprised me and most everyone else was his ability to make plays with his legs. That being said, his legs are only going to take this team so far(mediocrity). If they are going anywhere with Allen under center, he is going to have to improve a LOT in the passing game. Edited January 4, 2019 by LabattBlue 1
WhyteDwarf Posted January 5, 2019 Posted January 5, 2019 He's still 50% so I'm just waiting to see what happens with him. If he's 50% after next season, then I will be right back to where I was on draft night.
TuelTime Posted January 5, 2019 Posted January 5, 2019 Nope. I still think he looks like Brad from Adventures in Babysitting. 1 1 1
HappyDays Posted January 5, 2019 Posted January 5, 2019 His hat changed my mind. He is 100% our franchise QB. 2 1
Augie Posted January 5, 2019 Posted January 5, 2019 (edited) Josh was not my guy before the draft. He was my guy immediately after we picked him, and he has pleasantly surprised me. There’s a long way to go, but it’s hard not to love this young man. Edited January 5, 2019 by Augie 2
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 5, 2019 Posted January 5, 2019 7 hours ago, Dr. Who said: Is "bust" criteria objective level of play or is it also dictated by when a fella was drafted? I surmise most folks would judge Bortles a decent backup level of player. If you drafted him in the mid-rounds, that would make him a moderate success. If you drafted him third overall, that feels like a bust. That doesn't mean Bortles would have to have become a top five qb in order to avoid being a bust. I think Andy Dalton level average does that, though even that indicates a miss in terms of where he was drafted. For me, it's dictated by objective level of play. I don't grade on a curve depending on where someone was drafted. YMMV and others may differ 1
The Wiz Posted January 5, 2019 Posted January 5, 2019 Drastically. I wanted anyone but him... well him and Jackson were my 4a and 4b. Watched a bunch of film on him predraft and it looked like a lowlight reel if anything. That being said, I haven't watched a bills team offense in the past 10-15 years where they get an offensive penalty and I think to myself (3 and out here we come). He's been reckless at times for sure but I think the times he makes the WOW plays far outweigh the bad plays. 1
Golden Goat Posted January 5, 2019 Posted January 5, 2019 (edited) I wanted Mayfield, but Allen was a close second. After the first pick was announced, I was all in on Allen, mainly because I couldn't stand the other guys. It took a bit for the "crush" to develop, but his performance versus the Jaguars did it. Edited January 5, 2019 by Golden Goat
VW82 Posted January 5, 2019 Posted January 5, 2019 (edited) I always thought it was tough to get a really good read based on his college experience (outside of him clearly being raw) but looking at it from week one to now, I'm definitely more optimistic than I was. His ability to feel the rush (post snap) is night and day from training camp. Remember the Green Bay game when he was running from ghosts? Or all the throws in the first half of the year where he was milliseconds away from getting sacked because he had no idea he was about to get hit? He's basically Aaron Rodgers now in terms of his sixth sense in the pocket. It's really incredible. I like his on field leadership too. He has a boyish positivity you sometimes see in young people who haven't been jaded yet by life that just seems infectious. He also does a good job leveraging his big plays to help fire up teammates. At the beginning of the year he was a blob of clay. Now you can see the outline of where an NFL QB might one day be molded. It's exciting. Edited January 5, 2019 by VW82 2
Rocky Landing Posted January 5, 2019 Posted January 5, 2019 One thing I'm looking forward to this offseason?: No goddamn quarterback competition! 1
stony Posted January 5, 2019 Posted January 5, 2019 I was cautiously pessimistic going into the season, now I'm cautiously optimistic. Pretty jazzed for '19.
Elite Poster Posted January 5, 2019 Posted January 5, 2019 12 hours ago, Magox said: Stating that "I'm now convinced" that he will be a franchise QB or "the kid has it" is nothing like what E. Poster stated. Do we not know what a franchise QB is? That is a guy who should be making multiple pro bowl trips and maybe 1-2 all pros.
Lieutenant Aldo Raine Posted January 5, 2019 Posted January 5, 2019 2 hours ago, The Wiz said: Drastically. I wanted anyone but him... well him and Jackson were my 4a and 4b. Watched a bunch of film on him predraft and it looked like a lowlight reel if anything. That being said, I haven't watched a bills team offense in the past 10-15 years where they get an offensive penalty and I think to myself (3 and out here we come). He's been reckless at times for sure but I think the times he makes the WOW plays far outweigh the bad plays. Don't lie, because if you had truly watched his film you would have seen the EXACT same thing in your last sentence.
Putin Posted January 5, 2019 Posted January 5, 2019 On 1/2/2019 at 8:00 AM, I am the egg man said: Another season, preferably a full one, is definitely needed to see if Allen is legit. So I guess that is a no. Thank’s Schopp ?
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 5, 2019 Posted January 5, 2019 6 hours ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: In Bortles' second year (2015) his passing stats were 355/606 (58.6%) for 4,428 yards(7.31 YPA), 35 TDs, & 18 INTs. He also ran 52 times for 310 yards and 2 TDs. If those are Josh Allen's stats in year 2 I think everyone here is pretty excited. OMG Bortles second season, you're da** straight, we'd all be over the moon. Allen'd be the second coming of Jim Kelly crossed with Cam Newton and a dash of Aaron Rodgers thrown in. For that matter, if Bortles had continued as his second season, I wouldn't be saying he's one of those guys on the edge of my "yes/no" criteria either. 46 minutes ago, Elite Poster said: Do we not know what a franchise QB is? That is a guy who should be making multiple pro bowl trips and maybe 1-2 all pros. Haha, the Eternal TBD Question! Ah, the gnashing of teeth! The wailing of words! The innocent electrons slaughterd in the cause of establishing just that - we all know Mr Franchise when we see him, but agree on the definition of what "franchise" means, we do not!
The Dean Posted January 5, 2019 Posted January 5, 2019 Honestly, after the draft, I thought the 1st round QBs went to the best possible team for the team and the player. While I wasn't super hyped about ANY of these QBs I figured one, or two, would pan out--but which one? If I had to pick one for the Bills it was Allen. Big. Great arm. Tough. Athletic. I admit his "inaccuracy" was a bit worse than I anticipated---especially on the short passes. But I still think that's more an issue of timing, anticipation and form, than anything else. I think I've seen major improvements already. But as others have said, he probably isn't a 65% West Coast Offense kind of player. I'm fine with that. So in a nutshell, I was very positive about Allen when he was drafted. I'm even more thrilled seeing his development this year. I think the Bills have found their QB IF he can stay healthy. I love that he runs, and how he runs. But for God's sake, get this guy some protection!
GoBills808 Posted January 5, 2019 Posted January 5, 2019 27 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: OMG Bortles second season, you're da** straight, we'd all be over the moon. Allen'd be the second coming of Jim Kelly crossed with Cam Newton and a dash of Aaron Rodgers thrown in. For that matter, if Bortles had continued as his second season, I wouldn't be saying he's one of those guys on the edge of my "yes/no" criteria either. Haha, the Eternal TBD Question! Ah, the gnashing of teeth! The wailing of words! The innocent electrons slaughterd in the cause of establishing just that - we all know Mr Franchise when we see him, but agree on the definition of what "franchise" means, we do not! My definition of a franchise QB is a guy who starts 10+ games/year for 5+ seasons. Pretty simple.
Putin Posted January 5, 2019 Posted January 5, 2019 3 hours ago, GoBills808 said: My definition of a franchise QB is a guy who starts 10+ games/year for 5+ seasons. Pretty simple. Tannehill??
reddogblitz Posted January 5, 2019 Posted January 5, 2019 (edited) 13 hours ago, TheElectricCompany said: Either way, 5 TDs in a game don't lie. I can't think of bust QBs who've put up 5 TDs in a game, can you? Ex-Bill Matt Flynn. And they were all TD passes. https://www.newsday.com/sports/football/packers-backup-flynn-throws-6-td-passes-1.3422585 12 hours ago, CodeMonkey said: Josh was at the Sabres game last night. The only Bill they showed (that I saw, at least). That's a positive thing, even if he was in a box Rex and Rob liked to go to Sabres games too. Edited January 5, 2019 by reddogblitz
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