Is Robbie Anderson worth a second rounder.

[Alphadawg7]

3 hours ago, CommonCents said:

Robby Anderson is legit,  top 10 talent when he is focused on football. One of the few guys that made Tre look pedestrian. A week after that he scorched GB. Anderson is light years ahead of Foster and Zay.

 

 

 

 

21 minutes ago, CommonCents said:

6’3

ran a 4.34 at his pro day

good route runner

has had success against good CBs with mediocre QB play.

 

Teams/coaches have the luxury of being able

to talk to these guys and gauge their personality. I don’t. My guess is he is an immature kid with his head screwed on sideways. If I met with him and he proved otherwise I’d absolutely trade for him. He has a rare combination of talent and his ability as a burner who can high point the ball is perfect for JA. 

 

Top 10?  Wow, I’m not even sure his own father would be so bold to say that.  And sorry, but guys aren’t top 10 because they are fast and tall.

 

I can name 20 better WRs right now without even looking it up, let alone top 10.

 

In no particular order, these guys easily make up the top 10:

 

AB, OBJ, Hopkins, Thomas, Green, Julio, Davante Adams, Evans, Hill, Keenan.  Anderson is not even remotely close to bumping any of those guys out.

 

Next 10 (and some of these guys could be swapped into the top 10 themselves):

 

Baldwin, Diggs, Thielen, JuJu, Cooks, Hilton, Woods, Landry, Watkins, Tate, Amari

 

Again, he isn’t in that group and there are several other WRs that could easily be listed in the second group of ten also before Anderson.  Guys like Edelman, Davis, Fitzgerald, Alshon, Robinson, etc.  

 

Not to mention some of the young bucks like Ridley and Williams for instance that all have promising careers ahead of them.  He may one day get there, but it’s laughable to suggest he is a top 10 WR in the NFL and he’s not even the top 20.  Wothout looking, I am not sure he even makes the top 30.  

Edited January 2, 2019 by Alphadawg7

[klos63]

1 hour ago, Doc said:

 

Yes but for how much a year? 

He would probably get $6-7m per year. I don't think Beane would make that type of move.

[dezertbill]

There are other FA's available that won't cost us draft capital.  With Beane, a 2nd rounder is a solid starter.  

 

I personally think we should go after Tyrell Williams.  He has the height (6'4) and the speed to be a deep threat.  Does a great job snatching the ball out of the air.

 

He is only 26.  Add him to Zay Jones, Robert Foster, McKenzie and draft a WR in  round 1 or 2, and we're good.

Edited January 2, 2019 by dezertbill

[DBilz2500]

1 minute ago, dezertbill said:

There are other FA's available that won't cost us draft capital.  With Beane, a 2nd rounder is a solid starter.  

 

I personally think we should go after Tyrell Williams.  He has the height (6'4) and the speed to be a deep threat.  Does a great job snatching the ball out of the air.

 

He is only 26.  Add him to Zay Jones, Robert Foster, McKenzie and draft a WR in  round 1 or 2, and we're good.

I like your idea a lot but still would love to find a true stud #1 in the draft as well. A good TE, Jesse James from Pitt perhaps, would be a nice pickup. 

[Doc]

14 hours ago, klos63 said:

He would probably get $6-7m per year. I don't think Beane would make that type of move.

 

No way would RA accept that low a deal considering what Enunwa got and giving him an offer sheet (again assuming the Jets tender him at just a 2nd rounder, which is highly unlikely) would be contingent upon agreeing to a new contract.

[Orlando Buffalo]

19 hours ago, Steptide said:

Isn't this the dude that told a cop he was gonna nut in his wife's eye? 

If this is true i would not want him for anything since anyone dumb enough to say that will most likely be unavailable at some point for off field issues.

[klos63]

27 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

No way would RA accept that low a deal considering what Enunwa got and giving him an offer sheet (again assuming the Jets tender him at just a 2nd rounder, which is highly unlikely) would be contingent upon agreeing to a new contract.

i'm just guessing, i have no idea. My original point was that getting his type of production out of a 2nd round pick would be considered an excellent draft pick.

[ctk232]

19 hours ago, thebandit27 said:

You're fine giving up a 2nd rounder for Robby Anderson, despite his multiple off-field issues, but you're dead set against giving up a first rounder for either Antonio Brown or Julio Jones?

 

Sorry; I don't get it.

 

As for Robby, no, I wouldn't give a 2. Robby is a nice player, but I had a R3 grade on him coming out of Temple; I feel like equal players can (and will) come from the middle rounds of the next 2 drafts.

Agreed - got a buddy who is a Jet's fan and would gladly have the second rounder over Robby any day. He had great games against us, but the talent in the draft in the second like Metcalf, Harry, the Browns, Arcega, etc. all have greater upsides and higher ceilings for the value. Would be a terrible trade in all likelihood.

[CommonCents]

15 hours ago, thebandit27 said:

 

Or maybe I'm just good at cutting straight to the heart of the matter.

 

Boyst knows his stuff, so when he talks football I pay him mind. There are a good number of posters on this board that really know their stuff. Try not to take things personally--I didn't think our previous exchanges were particularly incendiary in any way and bare you no ill will.

 

Now, to Anderson: That scrub vet QB had by far his best NFL season--completing a career-high 67% of his passes and throwing for a career-high yardage total. It's worth noting that Anderson was much more productive with McCown than with the #3 overall pick.

 

Like I said, I was Anderson booster Numero Uno back in 2016. I had him rated as a 3rd round pick when most folks had him as a day 3 guy and NFL GMs decided that he wasn't even worth a 7th--so when I say that I wouldn't trade a 2nd for him, it's not because I don't like the player. It's because you can find a WR2 pretty readily in rounds 3-5. 

 

If I'm giving up a 2nd round pick, I want a WR1, since that's where you get guys like Michael Thomas, JuJu, Allen Robinson, Davante Adams, and a few others that are bona fide WR1s. 

 

For me, it's all about most efficient use of resources, and trading a 2nd for a WR2 that needs a new contract and has off-field issues isn't as palatable as trading a 1st for a WR1--because it's a much more difficult position to fill.

Anderson had a high ankle sprain that set his season back, Darnold had injuries of his own. When the two of them were healthy at the end of the season they played well. The Jets have to keep Anderson. 

 

 

[thebandit27]

Just now, CommonCents said:

Anderson had a high ankle sprain that set his season back, Darnold had injuries of his own. When the two of them were healthy at the end of the season they played well. The Jets have to keep Anderson. 

 

 

 

Sure, but you're talking about a bird in the hand versus having to give up draft assets to get a guy who's equal you can probably draft with that same pick and pay peanuts over the next 4 years.

 

[Nelius]

Oh my god no. He's not even worth a 4th. He's a poor man's Lee Evans with a rap sheet. Absolutely not, I have no idea where this talk about him being top ten or even a legit #1 is even coming from.

[Alphadawg7]

15 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

 

Top 10?  Wow, I’m not even sure his own father would be so bold to say that.  And sorry, but guys aren’t top 10 because they are fast and tall.

 

I can name 20 better WRs right now without even looking it up, let alone top 10.

 

In no particular order, these guys easily make up the top 10:

 

AB, OBJ, Hopkins, Thomas, Green, Julio, Davante Adams, Evans, Hill, Keenan.  Anderson is not even remotely close to bumping any of those guys out.

 

Next 10 (and some of these guys could be swapped into the top 10 themselves):

 

Baldwin, Diggs, Thielen, JuJu, Cooks, Hilton, Woods, Landry, Watkins, Tate, Amari

 

Again, he isn’t in that group and there are several other WRs that could easily be listed in the second group of ten also before Anderson.  Guys like Edelman, Davis, Fitzgerald, Alshon, Robinson, etc.  

 

Not to mention some of the young bucks like Ridley and Williams for instance that all have promising careers ahead of them.  He may one day get there, but it’s laughable to suggest he is a top 10 WR in the NFL and he’s not even the top 20.  Wothout looking, I am not sure he even makes the top 30.  

 

@CommonCents

 

You "laughed" in your emoticon reaction to this ? above post where I challenged your proclamation that Robby Anderson is a top 10 WR in the NFL.  Do you care to elaborate on which guy I put into the top 10 that Robby Anderson is better than?  I mean if its "funny" that must mean you think the top 10 I listed off the top of my head is laughable and Robby must be clearly better than at least one of those guys.  So who is it?  

Edited January 2, 2019 by Alphadawg7

[CommonCents]

44 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

 

Sure, but you're talking about a bird in the hand versus having to give up draft assets to get a guy who's equal you can probably draft with that same pick and pay peanuts over the next 4 years.

 

Sure, as long as you don’t end up with a Zay Jones or Taywan Taylor. 

[thebandit27]

5 minutes ago, CommonCents said:

Sure, as long as you don’t end up with a Zay Jones or Taywan Taylor. 

 

Yes, it's important to be able to scout well.

[Big Turk]

21 hours ago, thebandit27 said:

You're fine giving up a 2nd rounder for Robby Anderson, despite his multiple off-field issues, but you're dead set against giving up a first rounder for either Antonio Brown or Julio Jones?

 

Sorry; I don't get it.

 

As for Robby, no, I wouldn't give a 2. Robby is a nice player, but I had a R3 grade on him coming out of Temple; I feel like equal players can (and will) come from the middle rounds of the next 2 drafts.

 

We already have a better version of Anderson in Foster...

 

Also, who cares what round you had them graded on coming out of college. The NFL is based on performance not your grade out of college.  They are often times vastly different, even for pro scouts.

Edited January 2, 2019 by matter2003

[Kelly the Dog]

It seems to me that the Jets preferred the other guy to Anderson, with that contract, although obviously it may not be that simple, and they want to keep both of them. But if they only knew they could keep one, they threw the money at Engwshrswteewknmew.

[thebandit27]

9 minutes ago, matter2003 said:

 

We already have a better version of Anderson in Foster...

 

Also, who cares what round you had them graded on coming out of college. The NFL is based on performance not your grade out of college.  They are often times vastly different, even for pro scouts.

 

I think you're missing the point here.

 

It isn't about where I had him graded; it's that players of Anderson's caliber can be found from round 3 all the way down to UDFAs, and it happens every year.  As you point out: Buffalo found Foster off the UDFA scrap heap just last offseason.

 

Also: whoa I'm confused, because I thought you responded much differently earlier in this thread:

 

20 hours ago, matter2003 said:

Anderson is 24 or 25. Jones and Broen are in their 30s. Pretty common sense.

 

20 hours ago, matter2003 said:

 

Really? Want to make a wager who has more total yards over the next 4 years? Because I'm pretty sure it will be Anderson.

 

Edited January 2, 2019 by thebandit27

[Big Turk]

2 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

 

I think you're missing the point here.

 

It isn't about where I had him graded; it's that players of Anderson's caliber can be found from round 3 all the way down to UDFAs, and it happens every year.  As you point out: Buffalo found Foster off the UDFA scrap heap just last offseason.

 

Also: whoa I'm confused, because I thought you responded much differently earlier in this thread:

 

 

 

 

I think Foster can be better than Anderson...he certainly was since week 10 this year...see this thread:

 

 

[thebandit27]

1 minute ago, matter2003 said:

 

I think Foster can be better than Anderson...he certainly was since week 10 this year...see this thread:

 

 

 

I guess I'm still confused.

 

You think that Foster can be better than Anderson (which I don't think is ridiculous by the way), but you also think that it's common sense to prefer trading a 2nd round pick for a WR that averages 700 yards and 5 TDs per year (plus has multiple off-field issues) over trading a 1st round pick for one of the 3 best WRs in football simply due to age?

 

Maybe the corollary I'm drawing isn't evident the way I'm presenting it: if you can so easily find a WR that can put up Anderson/Foster type numbers, why trade a 2nd round pick for him?  It's very uncommon, however, to find a WR that can put up Julio/AB/Hopkins/OBJ type numbers, let alone to do so past the 1st round, which is why I think it makes more sense.

 

Again, I'm not trying to blast you here; I simply don't understand the duality of thinking here.

[Big Turk]

1 minute ago, thebandit27 said:

 

I guess I'm still confused.

 

You think that Foster can be better than Anderson (which I don't think is ridiculous by the way), but you also think that it's common sense to prefer trading a 2nd round pick for a WR that averages 700 yards and 5 TDs per year (plus has multiple off-field issues) over trading a 1st round pick for one of the 3 best WRs in football simply due to age?

 

Maybe the corollary I'm drawing isn't evident the way I'm presenting it: if you can so easily find a WR that can put up Anderson/Foster type numbers, why trade a 2nd round pick for him?  It's very uncommon, however, to find a WR that can put up Julio/AB/Hopkins/OBJ type numbers, let alone to do so past the 1st round, which is why I think it makes more sense.

 

Again, I'm not trying to blast you here; I simply don't understand the duality of thinking here.

 

I guess my thought process is that at some point those huge numbers they are putting up are going to start dropping(which can be off a cliff for WR's), but their contract value is not.  I'd personally prefer not to trade any picks for a WR, but if I wanted a true #1, it would have to be for a younger WR...I don't want to pay for past performance while future performance would be much less valuable...

 

I guess the problem I have is that you are trading a #1 pick AND then taking on a massive contract for unknown future production.  Basically you are taking on a contract they got for past production, but you have no idea whether or not they will earn that money, which is the case anytime you sign a player, but those negotiations didn't include age as a factor at that time.