Shaw66 Posted December 31, 2018 Author Posted December 31, 2018 1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said: Thanks for the write up Shaw I liked those who saw this game as the 'passing of the torch'. It's time for the Bills to let go of the past and go full youth-mode from this point forward. Draft Offensive Linemen to surround and protect Allen. Dump both Clay, Trent Murphy, and McCoy (no real offense intended to any of them, but I think it's time to move on). I might retain Lorax to fill the Kyle role of an inspirational locker room presence, but that's about it. Go Bills I'd guess Clay will go, but I would not be surprised to see all of Alexander, Murphy and McCoy stay, just like the Bills kept Kyle. I say that not so much because I think they ought to stay but because of how I perceive how McDermott operates. McDermott's been clear that he wants leaders in the locker room. He got Murphy because he has the heart and commitment that McDermott wants in all his players. I think that's why he kept Williams and Alexander, and I think that's why he likes McCoy. Ultimately, McDermott wants homegrown leaders, but it's going to take him a few years to grow them. In the meantime, he needs the next best thing, which is guys who started elsewhere, who have adversity in their careers and who have fought through it to be the best players they can be. I think, for example, that McDermott wants McCoy because McCoy will play his heart out next season because, well, that's what McCoy does. McDermott wants his youngsters to see, up close and personal, a star at the end of his career, a guy who's already made his money, a guy who could coast through 2019 just to collect one more big check, but who nevertheless is a guy who is doing everything possible to win. McDermott wants that in his locker room. McDermott built a special relationship with Kyle shortly after McDermott arrived in Buffalo. He knew, from reputation and from he saw in his first days in Buffalo, that Kyle was one of those guys. Now he's losing Kyle and he has three left. Their value to the team, in McDermott's view, goes far beyond what they do on the field.
CLTbills Posted December 31, 2018 Posted December 31, 2018 16 hours ago, Shaw66 said: “What a Meal” I’d love a better draft pick, but I like wins more, especially wins over division rivals. The Bills’ 42-17 walk over the Dolphins was well worth the pick. There was a lot to like in this game. Of course, it was a meaningless game. The Dolphins may have mailed it in, in which case we saw nothing much more than a pre-season game. Whether it previewed the 2019 Bills is a question that won’t be answered for nine months. Still, it’s a win over the Dolphins, and that’s enough for me. Easily as satisfying as a great meal. This was the kind of game that fans want out of their team every week. It wasn’t flawless; it’s hard to play 60 dominant minutes in the NFL, and the Bills sure weren’t dominant for stretches of the game. But it was a kneel-down win, with a lot of big plays, takeaways rather than giveaways, effective (although still imbalanced) running, efficient passing. Few penalties. Great win. And, to make it sweeter, or maybe bitter sweet, it was Kyle Williams day. With the Bills out of the playoffs, McDermott was free to script the show to highlight his retiring leader. Kyle in the backfield at the goal line – a shot at a TD in his last game? No, just Kyle being a good football player, getting the assist on Josh Allen’s quarterback sneak. Kyle in the slot, shedding a defender making a solid catch and run in the right flat, his exceptional athleticism on display. Kyle sent onto the field for the final time late in the game. The Bills immediately call time out and summon him to the sideline for the fans’ final ovation. It was great stuff. Maybe I’ll write something about Kyle during the off-season. For now I’ll say just this: we saw what makes Kyle special when Kyle realized that McDermott was taking him out of the game and that this was the end. He wanted one more play or maybe one more series. He wanted his career to end the way he always played: playing every down he could, making every play he could. He’s a football player, and football players don’t come out early. At that moment, we saw what’s special about Kyle. Kyle said no and tried to wave off the substitute. He could have insisted; he could have just stayed there and forced McDermott to let him stay. Few players could get away with that; Kyle could have because the crowd would have been with him, and he knew it. But that isn’t Kyle. Kyle isn’t about individual power; he is the ultimate team player. He understands better than anyone that each player and each coach has a role, and he understood in that moment, just as he had in every other moment since he first put on a Bills’ helmet, that he had to do his job. He wasn’t going to challenge his coach publicly on his last football play. Kyle accepted some congratulations and left the field for the final time. I just love the guy. A short request for your help. The Bills Backers in Boston gather every Sunday at the Harp. A long-time Harp employee, big Charles, died unexpectedly last week. Apparently, over the years Charles became a Bills fan himself. My wife and I met him when we went to the Harp for the first time just this year, and he couldn’t have been friendlier. There’s a GoFundMe page with more about Charles and to help support Charles’s family. The wait staff at the Harp today donated all of their tips, over $1000. If you’d like to help, the link is https://www.gofundme.com/honoringbigcharles. Thanks. Kyle wasn’t the whole show, not at all. He was the dessert after a great meal. Also on the menu were: LeSean McCoy. He still has it. It was there again on Sunday. Give him the ball in space, and he’s going to get you everything that’s there, and usually more. The Bills were horrible at getting him the ball in space this season, for a lot of reasons, and he didn’t get a lot of those chances against the Dolphins. When he did, he was outstanding. The question for 2019 is why didn’t McCoy get the ball in space more in 2018? If the answer is the offensive line, then if the Bills can fix the line, McCoy should be back. But if the answer is the Bills’ offense doesn’t and isn’t going to feature a running game designed to get guys in space, then why would they need Shady? Maybe the Bills would rather have a running game that is more suited to Ivory’s style (whether or not Ivory is the guy), a running game that features straight ahead power and shiftiness in tight spaces. McDermott sort of signaled last week that McCoy will be back, and I hope so. In the right offense he is explosive. He’s fun to watch, and he’s a great teammate. Tremaine Edmunds. I’ve beaten up Edmunds often this season, and I still saw some of the things that must be better if he’s going to be a dominant middle linebacker, but against the Dolphins some of his special skills were on display. His interception was exceptional, and not just because he made a pretty spectacular one-handed play. What made the play was his speed – if Tannehill saw Edmunds, he decided Edmunds couldn’t get there to make a play. If he didn’t see Edmunds, it was because he was too far out of Tannehill’s field of vision. Either way, a guy who essentially wasn’t in the play reacted and took the ball. His sack also was exceptional. He took on the block (something he must improve) and essentially jumped over the blocker and grabbed Tannehill. It wasn’t a power move, but it was an amazing athletic move. Not many guys make that tackle, at least not that way. My favorite Edmunds play was his one-on one tackle in the hole in the first half. He read run and reacted to fill the hole, planted his shoulder, wrapped up and took the guy down. Those run stops are what’s been missing from his game, and if he’s learning that, he can be the star that Sean McDermott wants in the middle. Zay Jones. Nice patterns, nice catches. He’s good evidence of the size of the jump from college to the pros. It took more than a full season for Jones to raise his game to the level of an effective NFL receiver. McDermott’s patience with him seems to be paying off. He needs some help next season. Levi Wallace. I’ve been sleeping on Wallace. Last week I saw someone touting the quality of his play, and Sunday I saw it. Really nice deep coverage on that throw to the goal line up the left sideline. A couple of excellent open-field tackles. Teams need a lot of corners, and Wallace is a nice addition. Josh Allen. There it was; the win over the Dolphins showed what Josh Allen can look like when he puts it all together. He HASN’T put it all together yet, and we saw some of that on Sunday, too. The runs, of course, were spectacular once again – the Dolphins clearly misjudged his speed. It was Allen’s play in the passing game against the Dolphins that we’ve been looking for. He took more checkdowns, which increased his completion percentage and helped sustain long drives. He hit his receivers regularly, and they made the catches. He avoided sacks. In other words, he did the things winning QBs do, and he didn’t do the things losing QBs do. He also continued his education. He threw more inaccurate passes than usual, and I’d guess that was the evidence of his introduction to the cold and wind at New Era in December. He threw a rookie interception, but he can learn when to make that throw and when not only if he makes some of those mistakes. He recovered nicely from the INT. He still has a lot to learn. How good was Allen on Sunday? Well, his passer rating for the game was 115. Brees and Mahomes, probably the best this season, are in that range for the entire season and have a lot of games in the 120s and 130s. But when you roll in the running and other factors, as the QBR does, Allen’s game was essentially as big as the best the other two have played this season. Brees had a higher QBR in only three games this season, Mahomes only twice. That’s a good game. It’s one game, and a meaningless game at that, but it’s what we’ve been looking for. See you next year. GO BILLS!!! The Rockpile Review is written to share the passion we have for the Buffalo Bills. That passion was born in the Rockpile; its parents were everyday people of western New York who translated their dedication to a full day’s hard work and simple pleasures into love for a pro football team. Well done, as always, Shaw. I bolded what I think was the most important thing... how Josh responded to the INT. Some young quarterbacks make that throw and shut down for the day mentally. I think he showed that he has the ability to block it out, and come back out and get back on the horse. He led us down the field for a TD to start the 2nd half. 1
Shaw66 Posted December 31, 2018 Author Posted December 31, 2018 3 hours ago, SoCal Deek said: Thanks for the write up Shaw I liked those who saw this game as the 'passing of the torch'. It's time for the Bills to let go of the past and go full youth-mode from this point forward. Draft Offensive Linemen to surround and protect Allen. Dump both Clay, Trent Murphy, and McCoy (no real offense intended to any of them, but I think it's time to move on). I might retain Lorax to fill the Kyle role of an inspirational locker room presence, but that's about it. Go Bills I agree, sort of. I just watched some of the press conferences about Kyle. It's pretty emotional. Kyle said he is the last person left in the organization who had a direct relationship with Marv Levy and with the Wilson family. So he signifies the total transition to new ownership, GM and coach. McDermott is telling his players that they got to watch a guy do it exactly as it needs to be done to succeed. And he's telling them that now they must do it. It doesn't mean the other vets will go, but it means that the young guys now must be the guys who carry the team.
Augie Posted December 31, 2018 Posted December 31, 2018 (edited) This game, and this entire season, was about one thing, the first round picks of Allen and to a lesser extent Edmunds. As rookies you expect ups and downs, but in general I was pleased. Not because they were great all year, but because they made progress as the season went on, and they saved the best for last IMO. They played their best ball yesterday. That makes me VERY encouraged for next season! . Edited December 31, 2018 by Augie 1 1
SoCal Deek Posted December 31, 2018 Posted December 31, 2018 22 minutes ago, Shaw66 said: I agree, sort of. I just watched some of the press conferences about Kyle. It's pretty emotional. Kyle said he is the last person left in the organization who had a direct relationship with Marv Levy and with the Wilson family. So he signifies the total transition to new ownership, GM and coach. McDermott is telling his players that they got to watch a guy do it exactly as it needs to be done to succeed. And he's telling them that now they must do it. It doesn't mean the other vets will go, but it means that the young guys now must be the guys who carry the team. I’m not sure what you thought I meant by filling the Kyle role. Kyle wasn’t important because he knew Ralph. (Only old timers like you and me remember Ralph, the Rockpile, etc.) Kyle’s importantance sprang from his work ethic and professionalism. I’m not sure which, if any, of the remaining vets could provide that leadership. If none, then go youth all the way.
Shaw66 Posted December 31, 2018 Author Posted December 31, 2018 4 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: I’m not sure what you thought I meant by filling the Kyle role. Kyle wasn’t important because he knew Ralph. (Only old timers like you and me remember Ralph, the Rockpile, etc.) Kyle’s importantance sprang from his work ethic and professionalism. I’m not sure which, if any, of the remaining vets could provide that leadership. If none, then go youth all the way. Yes, you're correct. I was just picking up on the idea of passing the torch. It was BOTH a passing of the torch from the ultimate in work ethic to the younger generation who must pick it up AND a passing of the torch from the Wilsons to the Pegulas. McDermott wants pride in the community, the history of the organization, the colors. He's selling all of that to his players. I'm sure he wants his players to know about the Wilsons and AFL and all of that. So the last guy from that entire era, the last guy connected in some way to the beginning of the franchise, is now retiring.
SoCal Deek Posted December 31, 2018 Posted December 31, 2018 1 minute ago, Shaw66 said: Yes, you're correct. I was just picking up on the idea of passing the torch. It was BOTH a passing of the torch from the ultimate in work ethic to the younger generation who must pick it up AND a passing of the torch from the Wilsons to the Pegulas. McDermott wants pride in the community, the history of the organization, the colors. He's selling all of that to his players. I'm sure he wants his players to know about the Wilsons and AFL and all of that. So the last guy from that entire era, the last guy connected in some way to the beginning of the franchise, is now retiring. I think the Coach should spend more time on building a winner, and less time on the whole franchise legacy thing. While I truly love what Kyle represents in terms of his professionalism, he didn’t bring much regarding a winning culture (not his fault). I want to see the Bills turn the page...and close the book...on the last 20 years. Just Win Baby!
Shaw66 Posted December 31, 2018 Author Posted December 31, 2018 13 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: I think the Coach should spend more time on building a winner, and less time on the whole franchise legacy thing. While I truly love what Kyle represents in terms of his professionalism, he didn’t bring much regarding a winning culture (not his fault). I want to see the Bills turn the page...and close the book...on the last 20 years. Just Win Baby! I tend to agree with you, but that's not McD's process. If you heard his speech to the team before he introduced Kyle who was announcing his retirement? McDermott is selling commitment to self, team, family and community. The way to succeed, in his model, is to prove yourself in all four categories, all the time. Listen to Allen's press conference today. He's talking about Kyle, about Buffalo, about what this city stands for, all of it. That's the package that McD wants every player to embrace. 1
SoCal Deek Posted December 31, 2018 Posted December 31, 2018 1 hour ago, Shaw66 said: I tend to agree with you, but that's not McD's process. If you heard his speech to the team before he introduced Kyle who was announcing his retirement? McDermott is selling commitment to self, team, family and community. The way to succeed, in his model, is to prove yourself in all four categories, all the time. Listen to Allen's press conference today. He's talking about Kyle, about Buffalo, about what this city stands for, all of it. That's the package that McD wants every player to embrace. Shaw...all of that is nice, but the downside is that players can easily start thinking that bringing their lunch pail to a blue collar town is the organization’s measuring stick. It isn’t. Defensive linemen should want to be more like Bruce Smith than Kyle Williams. (Again, nothing against Kyle.) This 60 year fan is getting really tired of 9-7 and a wildcard berth being the penultimate goal.
Saxum Posted January 1, 2019 Posted January 1, 2019 4 hours ago, Shaw66 said: McDermott built a special relationship with Kyle shortly after McDermott arrived in Buffalo. He knew, from reputation and from he saw in his first days in Buffalo, that Kyle was one of those guys. Now he's losing Kyle and he has three left. Their value to the team, in McDermott's view, goes far beyond what they do on the field. McDermott did not know Kyle just from reputation. He got his first good look at him in pro bowl seeing him prepare for a meaningless game. As a former DC he probably was a factor although not primary for taking Bills head coach job.
Shaw66 Posted January 1, 2019 Author Posted January 1, 2019 1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said: Shaw...all of that is nice, but the downside is that players can easily start thinking that bringing their lunch pail to a blue collar town is the organization’s measuring stick. It isn’t. Defensive linemen should want to be more like Bruce Smith than Kyle Williams. (Again, nothing against Kyle.) This 60 year fan is getting really tired of 9-7 and a wildcard berth being the penultimate goal. That's what your think. I get it. I just don't think that's what McDermott thinks. Listen to the press conferences today. They're about good athletes learning to pursue perfection. They are studying. learning, teaching each other. Part of the process will be repeatedly bringing in new players to find better talent to learn the same things. So, yes, ultimately McD is looking for Bruce, not Kyle, but only a Bruce who wil lwith the discipliine of a Kyle. McDermott sounded pretty excited today when the conversation turned to Allen and Edmunds. He doesn't want to say it, but it seemed like what he was thinking was he has his Bruce at QB and he has his Bruce at MLB. 1 hour ago, Limeaid said: McDermott did not know Kyle just from reputation. He got his first good look at him in pro bowl seeing him prepare for a meaningless game. As a former DC he probably was a factor although not primary for taking Bills head coach job. Yeah, I wrote that before I saw the video of his speech to the team. He had first hand experience of Kyle. It sounds like Kyle was the epitome of what McD wants in a football player.
Shaw66 Posted January 1, 2019 Author Posted January 1, 2019 7 hours ago, Augie said: This game, and this entire season, was about one thing, the first round picks of Allen and to a lesser extent Edmunds. As rookies you expect ups and downs, but in general I was pleased. Not because they were great all year, but because they made progress as the season went on, and they saved the best for last IMO. They played their best ball yesterday. That makes me VERY encouraged for next season! . McD said in his presser that for the last game Edminds finally let go, stopped thinking so much and just played. He said it was pretty impressive.
Buddo Posted January 1, 2019 Posted January 1, 2019 Good stuff as usual Shaw. While it wasn't in the OP, I'm quite taken with the idea that Kyle was the last playing link to the Wilsons, and also Marv Levy. Levy wanted to take Kyle in the 4th round, but Modrak persuaded him to wait, as he thought he would still be available in the 5th. Modrak was, obviously correct. But so was Marv, as he still knew a footballer, when he saw one. It's also almost a microcosm of his career, undervalued at the price point, yet appreciated way beyond that. As a team, an organisation, and a fanbase, I was delighted by the way the Bills responded to Kyle Sunday. There will be very few players who get that sort of send off to their career end. Classy all around. Augie has the right of it though, both Allen and Edmunds gave us a tantalizing glimpse of what the future may hold for both of them. After letting the 'Fins right back into the game playing 'hero ball' just before the half, Allen comes back out and puts the record straight, with a long solid drive to put the Bills back ahead. A needed display of both composure in the young guy, and learning from the mistake. Thing is, I think we are always going to get this from Allen. He is such a fierce competitor when he hits the field, that I don't think he can stop himself occasionally. Where he needs to get better, is in recognising when he is about to have a 'Superman' moment, and abort it. But what a joy to see a Bills QB who not only just wants to make plays down the field, but has both the arm, and legs to do so. He also needs to improve his touch on some throws, and also get his feet better set when just dumping the ball off, but much of that will come with both reps, and familiarity with his receivers. He's quite capable of making touch throws, and I think with better trust with his receivers, you will see more of them. Edmunds did pretty much most things right. If your MLB ends up on the winning team, makes the most tackles, gets a sack, and an interception, he's pretty much having a good day. His athleticism and speed were on show plenty, and I'm of the belief that he's only going to get stronger. As pointed out in one of the PCs yesterday (and I've already said it elsewhere myself recently), he hasn't actually stopped growing yet, as he's still just 20 years old. Commentary on the game made the interesting point, that he might still be the youngest guy on the team, after another draft class, and going into his second season. Talk about promise and potential. While I may have a myriad of small concerns over schemes, coaching, coaches etc., it does appear to me that the swing for the fences from McDermott and Beane, over Allen and Edmunds, is going to work, and could well become a masterstroke for the Bills future over the next many years. Our HC and GM, now have to work their butts off, to use the cap space and picks we have, to get more talent on this team, where it's needed.. While the season end has filled me with optimism, especially at younger players development, this was still a 6-10 team, so work has to be done. 2
Augie Posted January 1, 2019 Posted January 1, 2019 9 hours ago, Shaw66 said: McD said in his presser that for the last game Edminds finally let go, stopped thinking so much and just played. He said it was pretty impressive. He also demonstrated that he has far better hands than Kelvin Benjamin ever dreamed of! 1
Shaw66 Posted January 1, 2019 Author Posted January 1, 2019 4 hours ago, Buddo said: Good stuff as usual Shaw. While it wasn't in the OP, I'm quite taken with the idea that Kyle was the last playing link to the Wilsons, and also Marv Levy. Levy wanted to take Kyle in the 4th round, but Modrak persuaded him to wait, as he thought he would still be available in the 5th. Modrak was, obviously correct. But so was Marv, as he still knew a footballer, when he saw one. It's also almost a microcosm of his career, undervalued at the price point, yet appreciated way beyond that. As a team, an organisation, and a fanbase, I was delighted by the way the Bills responded to Kyle Sunday. There will be very few players who get that sort of send off to their career end. Classy all around. Augie has the right of it though, both Allen and Edmunds gave us a tantalizing glimpse of what the future may hold for both of them. After letting the 'Fins right back into the game playing 'hero ball' just before the half, Allen comes back out and puts the record straight, with a long solid drive to put the Bills back ahead. A needed display of both composure in the young guy, and learning from the mistake. Thing is, I think we are always going to get this from Allen. He is such a fierce competitor when he hits the field, that I don't think he can stop himself occasionally. Where he needs to get better, is in recognising when he is about to have a 'Superman' moment, and abort it. But what a joy to see a Bills QB who not only just wants to make plays down the field, but has both the arm, and legs to do so. He also needs to improve his touch on some throws, and also get his feet better set when just dumping the ball off, but much of that will come with both reps, and familiarity with his receivers. He's quite capable of making touch throws, and I think with better trust with his receivers, you will see more of them. Edmunds did pretty much most things right. If your MLB ends up on the winning team, makes the most tackles, gets a sack, and an interception, he's pretty much having a good day. His athleticism and speed were on show plenty, and I'm of the belief that he's only going to get stronger. As pointed out in one of the PCs yesterday (and I've already said it elsewhere myself recently), he hasn't actually stopped growing yet, as he's still just 20 years old. Commentary on the game made the interesting point, that he might still be the youngest guy on the team, after another draft class, and going into his second season. Talk about promise and potential. While I may have a myriad of small concerns over schemes, coaching, coaches etc., it does appear to me that the swing for the fences from McDermott and Beane, over Allen and Edmunds, is going to work, and could well become a masterstroke for the Bills future over the next many years. Our HC and GM, now have to work their butts off, to use the cap space and picks we have, to get more talent on this team, where it's needed.. While the season end has filled me with optimism, especially at younger players development, this was still a 6-10 team, so work has to be done. Buddo - I always look forward to your comments. Thanks. A couple of things in response to what you said. First, Edmunds. You really got me to focus on how young he is with the comment that next season he STILL may be the youngest guy on the team. And his body certainly isn't done filling it. Two years from now he easily could have added 15 pounds of muscle AND two years' playing experience. He could be a beast. The end-of-season press conferences impressed on me again how much McDermott is about a system. This is a highly structured organization designed to continue to develop players so that they and the team get better and better. McDermott sells these guys a process that has one objective - continuous winning, including winning championships. He sells players on the notion that if they work and study and continuously improve, the TEAM someday will win. It's interesting to me because implicit in what they do is that some of the players he's getting to buy into that process won't be with the team when the championships are won, but McDermott still sells those guys on the notion that they're continuing improvement builds the platform from which some other players will in turn improve. He's telling them that the ultimate success of the team depends on what these guys do, even if they aren't the ones who will win the championships. For example, if the Bills win a Super Bowl with McDermott in three years, Kyle will know he was part of it. So will McKenzie, whether he's with the team or not. So will Dawkins. It's fascinating to watch. McBeane choose players who are willing to commit to that process and the intense environment that goes with it. They chose Allen and Edmunds because they are smart, hungry competitors willing to commit. Desperately willing to commit. McBeane wouldn't have drafted them if they didn't have that willingness. After the draft, they said Allen was an intense competitor. You heard it from Allen yesterday - he HATES to lose. During the draft process, you could see signs that Rosen may not be committed to the same extent, and that's why Allen was the pick. Edmunds apparently is the same way. You said there will always be some "hero ball" from Allen. You may be right, but I think you aren't. I think the process is designed to have the QB do the right thing on every play, and I think that we've already heard from Allen that that's what he's trying to learn. They chose him because he's committed to doing everything the right way. I hate to say it, but Brady is the model. There's no hero ball in him because he doesn't have the raw talent to be the hero, but that's not the point. The point is that Brady seems to do the right thing on every play, finding the right receiver, beating the blitz, throwing the ball away, even taking the sack, almost always while protecting himself from injury. That's the model, I think, that McDermott has Allen pursuing. I think the vision for him is a guy with the physical abilities of a Rodgers (probably better) and the mental discipline of a Brady. That's what they're after. And Allen is buying it and working to be that guy. When he talked about his long touchdown run against the Dolphins, he was asked what he saw. He sort of said he didn't see anything; he just started running, guys made some blocks and he got to the end zone. What I found interesting about it was that all Allen did was make a series of good decisions: he looked downfield, didn't like what he saw, got on the move to avoid the rush, kept looking downfield, saw that running was the best opportunity, kept going so long as he had open field and no big hits coming. It was all good decision making by a superior athlete, and we could see the beauty of the combination of those two things. I think his interception on Sunday was less hero ball than it was a misjudgment by him about whether he could get the ball in there. He knows he's not supposed to take risks with the ball, he just misjudged the risk. That is, he didn't think he was going to show everyone he's Superman - he thought it was a play he could make, and he learned that it's one he can't make. As I said in the OP, he has to make some of those mistakes to refine his judgment. I think there's a LOT of pressure on McBeane now. If you have a young stud QB and a young stud MLB, and it looks like that could be what's happened, you probably have 50% or more of the talent you need to be good. You can get by with a lot of role players at the other positions if you have top ten talent at those two positions. (Obviously, it's too early to say these guys are top 10, but they certainly could be on that trajectory. People laughed at me in the summer when I said the Bills could have the offensive rookie of the year and the defensive rookie of the year. They didn't, of course, but it's not so far-fetched to think that someday those two will be the offensive and defensive players of the year. I think if you could get Belichick and others around the league to talk frankly about it, they'd tell those are two studs.) So McBeane have to go get the role players. From my perspective, I'd love to see them get a really good left tackle and move Dawkins to the right. Get at least one good free agent interior lineman. Then go to work. Thanks again for posting. 2 1 1
Dr. Who Posted January 1, 2019 Posted January 1, 2019 Buddo is always worth the read. Love your response Shaw. Only caveat is I recall Dawkins struggling early at RT last year. Seems he is best on the left. I'd like a really good LT and move Dawkins to LG. Vet center, Teller at RG, new RT. We need three new pieces, imo. Not sure if the really good LT is there or not. I am reading conflicting reports on Jonah Williams. 1 1
Logic Posted January 1, 2019 Posted January 1, 2019 (edited) I think the point you bring up about Shady not getting the ball in space is a valid and interesting one. Yes, the offensive line was poor and that was a huge factor in his not being successful. Even so, I couldn't help but feel that the Bills could've done more this season to get him some opportunities in space. They DID split him out wide a fair amount, they DID throw him screens (which usually got blown up pretty quickly), but still...it feels like more could have been done. In any event, if it's true that the Bills have him in their plans for 2019, and if they get some upgrades on the offensive line, I know this: Shady said he'll have a huge chip on his shoulder next year, wanting to prove that he still "is who he is". Me personally? I won't be betting against a motivated LeSean McCoy. For what it's worth, I agree with Beane and McDermott -- McCoy's not done, and he hasn't lost a step. He just needs some help. As for Allen: Any time your quarterback accounts for five touchdowns, it's obviously a good day. There have been several games this year where Allen just looks like the best athlete and the best player on the field from EITHER TEAM. Put simply, he has transcendent talent. He is, at times, almost a one-man offense, or at least as close to that as a person can be in a team game like football. In fairness, he also had some HORRIFIC throws yesterday. His routinely throwing behind his receivers on slants was particularly ugly. Nevertheless, he seems to have the talent to overcome those ugly plays. His GOOD plays seem to be good enough and explosive enough to overcome his bad plays. He may NEVER have upper echelon completion percentage or efficiency for the position, but I'd be willing to bet he will consistently have upper echelon playmaking and explosiveness. Here's my favorite juicy morsel from 2018: Did you know that Josh Allen was second IN THE ENTIRE NFL in "AYTS". AYTS is "Air yardage to the sticks". This metric measures how often a player is throwing past the first down marker rather than throwing short of it and depending on his receivers to make yards after the catch. Second in the entire NFL! It makes me think back to when a coach chastised him in college for throwing a long touchdown when the play actually called for him to throw a shorter ball. The short-route receiver was the first progression. Allen skipped him and threw the long TD instead, and the coach asked him why. What did Allen say? "Favre says always go for the touchdown". That's allen in a nutshell. He needs to learn to take the checkdown when it's there and to continue to be smart with the football, but I'd rather that he have to learn THAT than have to learn to take risks. When it comes to guts in quarterbacking, I'll use Mel Brooks' quote: "Or you got it or you ain't!". Allen's got it. He's a guy the Bills can win with, and determining that is what 2018 was really about. One more thing. I thought a lot this season about a post you made once where you said this: basically, in football, you need a quarterback, a stud defender or two, and the rest is fill-in-the-blanks. Well, with Allen, Edmunds, Milano, and White on board (not to mention quality coaching), I think the Bills have the most important ingredients for success already. The 2019 offseason is fill-in-the-blanks time, and then they should be off and running. My 8-ball, I should note, is wrong a lot. But right now, for 2019, it's telling me "Outlook good". Edited January 1, 2019 by Logic 1 1
Shaw66 Posted January 1, 2019 Author Posted January 1, 2019 3 minutes ago, Logic said: I think the point you bring up about Shady not getting the ball in space is a valid and interesting one. Yes, the offensive line was poor and that was a huge factor in his not being successful. Even so, I couldn't help but feel that the Bills could've done more this season to get him some opportunities in space. They DID split him out wide a fair amount, they DID throw him screens (which usually got blown up pretty quickly), but still...it feels like more could have been done. In any event, if it's true that the Bills have him in their plans for 2019, and if they get some upgrades on the offensive line, I know this: Shady said he'll have a huge chip on his shoulder next year, wanting to prove that he still "is who he is". Me personally? I won't be betting against a motivated LeSean McCoy. For what it's worth, I agree with Beane and McDermott -- McCoy's not done, and he hasn't lost a step. He just needs some help. As for Allen: Any time your quarterback accounts for five touchdowns, it's obviously a good day. There have been several games this year where Allen just looks like the best athlete and the best player on the field from EITHER TEAM. Put simply, he has transcendent talent. He is, at times, almost a one-man offense, or at least as close to that as a person can be in a team game like football. In fairness, he also had some HORRIFIC throws yesterday. His routinely throwing behind his receivers on slants was particularly ugly. Nevertheless, he seems to have the talent to overcome those ugly plays. His GOOD plays seem to be good enough and explosive enough to overcome his bad plays. He may NEVER have upper echelon completion percentage or efficiency for the position, but I'd be willing to be he will consistently have upper echelon playmaking and explosiveness. Here's my favorite juicy morsel from 2018: Did you know that Josh Allen was second IN THE ENTIRE NFL in "AYTS". AYTS is "Air yardage to the sticks". This metric measures how often a player is throwing past the first down marker rather than throwing short of it and depending on his receivers to make yards after the catch. Second in the entire NFL! It makes me think back to when a coach chastised him in college for throwing a long touchdown when the play actually called for him to throw a shorter ball. The short-route receiver was the first progression. Allen skipped him and threw the long TD instead, and the coach asked him why. What did Allen say? "Favre says always go for the touchdown". That's allen in a nutshell. He needs to learn to take the checkdown when it's there and to continue to be smart with the football, but I'd rather that he have to learn THAT than have to learn to take risks. When it comes to guts in quarterbacking, I'll use Mel Brooks' quote: "Or you got it or you ain't!". Allen's got it. He's a guy the Bills can win with, and determining that is what 2018 was really about. One more thing. I thought a lot this season about a post you made once where you said this: basically, in football, you need a quarterback, a stud defender or two, and the rest is fill-in-the-blanks. Well, with Allen, Edmunds, Milano, and White on board (not to mention quality coaching), I think the Bills have the most important ingredients for success already. The 2019 offseason is fill-in-the-blanks time, and then they should be off and running. My 8-ball, I should note, is wrong a lot. But right now, for 2019, it's telling me "Outlook good". Login=c Thanks. Another greater poster heard from. I actually just said the fill-in-the-blanks thing in my response to Buddo. That doesn't mean just any guy off the street; it means the best you can get at every position. But the best isn't necessarily the best athlete; he's the best role player for the position. Finding, drafting and keeping the studs is the hardest part; the role players should be easier. That's why I said the pressure is on McBeane. They don't have to find a GREAT tight end; they just need one who can catch the throw Allen made at the end of the first Dolphins game. If you're like me, it was hard for you to write "the best player on the field" and "transcendent." I haven't said that, because I'm afraid I'm going to jinx him. But it's true. That's why I got on the band wagon so early. When he made that touchdown throw in his first preseason game, a back shoulder dart to the goal line between two defenders, it SHOCKED me. The next preseason game he made another, then another. By the time he took over from Peterman and I saw a game or two more, I was sold. The guy doesn't have great talent; he has exceptional talent. And, as I've been saying, he has intense desire to drive himself and be driven by others to be the very best possible. It's really exciting. 15 minutes ago, Dr. Who said: Buddo is always worth the read. Love your response Shaw. Only caveat is I recall Dawkins struggling early at RT last year. Seems he is best on the left. I'd like a really good LT and move Dawkins to LG. Vet center, Teller at RG, new RT. We need three new pieces, imo. Not sure if the really good LT is there or not. I am reading conflicting reports on Jonah Williams. Maybe with a couple seasons under his belt, the move to RT won't be so hard now. Or the move to LG. In the grand scheme, it doesn't matter. He's a reasonably talented offensive lineman who still will get better. Put him where he fits best and then deal with what's left. Also, I don't think they need three new pieces. I think they need two. The good players on the line make the mediocre players play better, because they operate as a team. That's why losing Richie and Eric was such a blow. You lose your two best, and your two worst are floundering. So I think all they need is two. I won't complain about three, but I don't like big overhauls. There should be three guys from 2018 who are good enough and will bring continuity to the 2019 line. But that's just me ruminating - I don't really know. 1 1
Figster Posted January 1, 2019 Posted January 1, 2019 (edited) On 12/31/2018 at 10:48 AM, RoyBatty is alive said: I agree with Figster, this year I will look back on it as the year of Allen mostly followed by Edmunds. Allen is the most exciting and frustrating player this team has had in a long, long time, I cant really say there is a more interesting player the Bills have ever had to watch except for maybe OJ. Not only is he interesting to watch develop, he is downright fun to watch, you never know what he is going to do. When he runs you think he is going for 8 yards and he seems to glide to 25-30 yard runs with little effort, just like some of his ong throws. Dynamic and error prone, one of the most polarizing QBs you can have. Once upon a time an athlete by the name of Cam Newton was created by the football Gods. Bringing forth the New Era power forward/QB into the NFL. As Newton commenced to breaking records on the ground and through the air, ripping a new A hole into opposing Defenses across the league. "We can make him stronger, and we can make him smarter "said one football God to another, and to make things more interesting we will make him one Buffalo strong. The other football God chuckled and said "4 straight superbowl losses, no QB to speak of for almost 2 decades, I like that idea, lets make him one Buffalo strong. and name him Josh Allen... Edited January 1, 2019 by Figster 3 1
FLFan Posted January 1, 2019 Posted January 1, 2019 On 12/31/2018 at 12:38 PM, PlayoffsPlease said: The NFL is a lot about asset management. Under performing assets hurt the win loss column. If the 8 million turned to dead cap, then I would keep him because he is marginal value. But i would rather put the 8 million towards a pass rusher or AJ green, if it frees up the cap space. They have the space to pay McCoy next year. That is not the issue. If they believe he can still be effective, he is a luxury they can certainly afford while they groom a replacement.
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