I don't believe in the 3 year plan happening in '19

[Augie]

9 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

I'll have better faith in McDermott when he stops getting his ass handed to him game in and game out by BB.

 

 

 

Sure, I get that. When you can out-wit and trounce the best NFL coach of all time, you can give him some amount of respect. Very fair evaluation. 

 

Happy New Year!  

[LSHMEAB]

8 hours ago, pop gun said:

My bad, I didn't realize McBeane was capable of going 8-8 hitting 8 homeruns this off season.

 

I guess we'll see how much of a power hitter McBeane is because his last off season was more bunts, singles with maybe a double or 2, throw in a bunch of outs as well.

Taron Johnson looks like a triple considering his draft slot. Star was a GIDP. McKittrick looks like a sac fly that could potentially extend the inning.

[Big Gun]

1 hour ago, Scott7975 said:

They don't need great players at every position.  They need a couple great players on offense, a few good players, and the rest average NFL talent.  Its not as hard as you think.  No, they wont get everyone they want in one more year, but they should be able to get good enough people to compete for a playoff position at least.

Couple is 2 and a few is 3? 4? 5? So where do they find these guys this off season to step right in and be good and great?

 

If it's not so hard let us know where they are coming from and what they will cost.

[The Frankish Reich]

1 hour ago, LSHMEAB said:

Taron Johnson looks like a triple considering his draft slot. Star was a GIDP. McKittrick looks like a sac fly that could potentially extend the inning.

I like it. Particularly the part where we’re still discussing the mythical “McKittrick.” 

I like both Allen and.Edmunds. But they’re both projects, and I have questions about drafting projects under the current CBA. Edmunds was 19 when drafted. If he peaks as a MLB from ages 25-28, what good does that do us?  He’s getting paid free agency dollars by age 25.

[LSHMEAB]

2 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

I like it. Particularly the part where we’re still discussing the mythical “McKittrick.” 

I like both Allen and.Edmunds. But they’re both projects, and I have questions about drafting projects under the current CBA. Edmunds was 19 when drafted. If he peaks as a MLB from ages 25-28, what good does that do us?  He’s getting paid free agency dollars by age 25.

I took Fergy seriously for awhile until I caught on. Dude is a genius.

 

I agree with the take on Edmunds. His age is actually a detriment to the Bills if he pans out. By the time he hits FA'cy, his value would theoretically be sky high presuming he developed into a stud. At THAT point, his youth would drive his price tag through the roof. Obviously that would mean we got solid production, but it's silly to think his youth somehow makes him a better draft prospect. As an aside, I don't think he's a MLB. If the regime is smart, they'll move him outside where he can be even more valuable and fill the MLB position in free agency. Decent run stuffing MLB's with ADEQUATE coverage skills are not difficult to find. 

[The Frankish Reich]

23 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said:

I took Fergy seriously for awhile until I caught on. Dude is a genius.

 

I agree with the take on Edmunds. His age is actually a detriment to the Bills if he pans out. By the time he hits FA'cy, his value would theoretically be sky high presuming he developed into a stud. At THAT point, his youth would drive his price tag through the roof. Obviously that would mean we got solid production, but it's silly to think his youth somehow makes him a better draft prospect. As an aside, I don't think he's a MLB. If the regime is smart, they'll move him outside where he can be even more valuable and fill the MLB position in free agency. Decent run stuffing MLB's with ADEQUATE coverage skills are not difficult to find. 

Agreed. Edmunds to me is kind of a Super Kiko. Remember Kiko started out in the middle. Unfortunately injuries kind of slowed him down by the time he came back and was moved outside. I think Edmunds will be a special player if he stays healthy. I also think he’ll start reaching his potential right as he reaches free agency. And you’re right - a young/in his prime free agent will take home a huge contract. It’s kind of the situation Bryce Harper is in in MLB - a 7 year, $200 million contract doesn’t sound that awful when Year 7 is your 32 year old season, not your 38 year old season. 

[Big Gun]

29 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said:

I took Fergy seriously for awhile until I caught on. Dude is a genius.

 

I agree with the take on Edmunds. His age is actually a detriment to the Bills if he pans out. By the time he hits FA'cy, his value would theoretically be sky high presuming he developed into a stud. At THAT point, his youth would drive his price tag through the roof. Obviously that would mean we got solid production, but it's silly to think his youth somehow makes him a better draft prospect. As an aside, I don't think he's a MLB. If the regime is smart, they'll move him outside where he can be even more valuable and fill the MLB position in free agency. Decent run stuffing MLB's with ADEQUATE coverage skills are not difficult to find. 

There were 2 of those guys here and both were shipped out. 

[LSHMEAB]

Just now, The Frankish Reich said:

Agreed. Edmunds to me is kind of a Super Kiko. Remember Kiko started out in the middle. Unfortunately injuries kind of slowed him down by the time he came back and was moved outside. I think Edmunds will be a special player if he stays healthy. I also think he’ll start reaching his potential right as he reaches free agency. And you’re right - a young/in his prime free agent will take home a huge contract. It’s kind of the situation Bryce Harper is in in MLB - a 7 year, $200 million contract doesn’t sound that awful when Year 7 is your 32 year old season, not your 38 year old season. 

I love the comparison to Harper. I'm a Tigers fan and at this point, they're paying Cabrera 30 mil annually to play 20 games and hit a few singles. Sad state of affairs with that team, but that's rather beside the point. Just a silly move by an old man doing his damndest to win a ring before he died.(Sadly, he failed). Teams are far less likely to pay such players since the Cabrera and ARod fiascos. I think Harper will be vastly overpaid for unrelated reasons, but his youth drives up his price tag big time.

 

Bottom line is Edmunds will be judged based on how he performs and they don't get any points because he was 19. Super Kiko would be awesome.

[mannc]

On 12/24/2018 at 7:51 PM, jahnyc said:

I think how competitive we will be next year (and the years that follow) will depend in large part on whether and how much Allen develops.  He is still raw in many aspects of his game, so it may not be reasonable to expect that the Bills will be competitive (i.e., in the hunt for a playoff spot) next year, particularly since they also have a lot of holes to fill.

Well, that would be a problem if Allen does not show major progress next year.  The Bills only have a four-year window with Allen on a rookie contract.  Personally, I see him taking a big step forward next year (like Trubisky did this year) but if he doesn’t, that would be a big concern.

[mannc]

2 hours ago, LSHMEAB said:

Taron Johnson looks like a triple considering his draft slot. Star was a GIDP. McKittrick looks like a sac fly that could potentially extend the inning.

I hate to say it, but sac flies don’t “extend the inning.” ?

[Dr.Sack]

Everything stems on Allen. They have no hedge outside of Matt Barkley, 

[Virgil]

I think the answer is somewhere in the middle.  The biggest issue is the lack of offensive talent via draft and free agency.  

 

There really aren’t any skill players this year that can change a team.  

[ganesh]

On 12/25/2018 at 6:40 AM, LSHMEAB said:

The only truly significant losses were two offensive lineman. Not quite sure why they regressed so much. You'd think with a better QB and a year in McDermott's defensive system, they'd improve enough in other areas to make up for those losses and even build on that modicum of success.

Tough 1st half schedule  (We played 6 of the 8 games on the road).  Our 1st half had several Playoff teams

Tough going at the QB position with Peterman,  Anderson and not yet ready Allen.   The 2nd half showed the promise. 

Defense was atrocious in the 1st half in the Red Zone  They gave away way too many TDs.

Horrible Special Teams through the year. 

No Offensive support...Shady had his worst season; no running game; no WRs to catch balls.

[John from Riverside]

On 12/25/2018 at 12:32 AM, BillsFan130 said:

Sounds about right. The question is though, if the Bills aren't competitive next year do they bring Mcbeane back for 2020... I would say no as they need to show vast improvement next year

There is a difference between being a "contender" and "not competetive"

 

The bills could easily make the playoffs next year and not make it to the Super Bowl....which would definately keep Beane and McD in their positions.....giving them a chance to fine tune the team for seriously consecutive playoff contention

[Thurman#1]

5 hours ago, LSHMEAB said:

 

I agree with the take on Edmunds. His age is actually a detriment to the Bills if he pans out. By the time he hits FA'cy, his value would theoretically be sky high presuming he developed into a stud. At THAT point, his youth would drive his price tag through the roof. Obviously that would mean we got solid production, but it's silly to think his youth somehow makes him a better draft prospect. 

 

 

 

This might come as a shock, but some players don't reach free agency because they sign second contracts with the team that drafted them.

 

If that happens here, getting him young will absolutely have made him a better draft prospect.

 

5 hours ago, LSHMEAB said:

 

 Decent run stuffing MLB's with ADEQUATE coverage skills are not difficult to find. 

 

 

 

True, but they are also not what McDermott needs to run his defense. 

 

Kuechly is an example of what McDermott is looking for, and he is not a "decent run stuffing MLB with ADEQUATE coverage skills."

Edited December 26, 2018 by Thurman#1

[Thurman#1]

12 hours ago, BlueandRed said:

This FO better get their ***** together.   2019 is the year. No more wasting time.  I would hate to start another rebuild in 2020. 

Still no reason for such a decline. We were supposed to improve on last year and we didn’t. 

 

McD is failing...bad 

 

He gets one more year to right the ship. 

 

 

Kid yourself if you must, but this year was always going to be a bad one. Some fans like you felt we "were supposed to improve on last year," but nearly everyone else knew that in rebuilds you generally decline before you make progress.

 

And whether you or any other fan feels he gets another year or not matters very little. It's what the Pegulas think and they love the guy. If there's any progress at all he's very likely to see a fourth year at least.

[Thurman#1]

15 hours ago, LSHMEAB said:

 

This entire post implies Beane gives a flying bleep about the organization beyond his tenure. He does not. Unless Pegula has foolishly given him some kind of blessing beyond 2019, he goes ALL IN this offseason. This may be his one and only chance to be a GM and the clock is presumably ticking.

 

 

No reason whatsoever to think so. why would he feel it necessary to go all in this year? He's made it clear from minute one that his main goals are long-term. His goal is to turn the team into one that challenges for a championship every year. And that it would take time.

 

It's still extremely early in Beane's tenure. GMs take longer to evaluate than coaches. Beane'll be here a while. Probably three more seasons at a minimum unless the team absolutely self-destructs. There's no reason to think they will do so. 

 

Fair enough that this may be his only chance to be a GM. Of course, he might have more, he's a very young guy, but it's certainly possible this could be his last if he doesn't do well. But he's not going to give up the team's long-term good for next year. Partly because he is likely to be around for the next few years and will be judged much more on years when he's had three or four drafts and we can see how he puts together a team. 

 

17 hours ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

Which is why I say - McD and Beane have a pile of cash and draft picks in 2019, along with their hand picked QB to get some results. 

 

They earned the opportunity based on the 2017 Playoff appearance. But the 2018 season has used up that goodwill. In 2019 the mantra about watching tape and culture need to stop and winning needs to start happening. 

 

Fine 2018 was about learning and seeing what you have. 2019 can not be the same story. 

 

 

2018 wasn't about learning and seeing what you have. It was about rebuilding.

 

The Pegulas know rebuilding, as we can see from the Sabres this year. They know that some rebuilds work and that others don't, but that the most important thing about a rebuild is coming out of it with a QB who shows the possibility of being a real franchise guy. Allen so far looks like he has that possibility.

 

If they don't show any improvement, McDermott might well be on the hot seat for 2020. I expect improvement, myself. They had a ton of holes this year. Next year they'll have far fewer.

Edited December 26, 2018 by Thurman#1

[iinii]

On 12/25/2018 at 4:12 AM, BillsFan1988 said:

Does anyone here really respect Cam Newton as an elite franchise QB. I think he's a teir 2 QB maybe from 11-15 best in league.

That is what I questioned when I read that statement. The next Cam Newton isn’t exactly a ringing endorsement. Cam is good but he isn’t mentioned in the top tier group of quarterbacks. 

[BillsFan130]

7 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

There is a difference between being a "contender" and "not competetive"

 

The bills could easily make the playoffs next year and not make it to the Super Bowl....which would definately keep Beane and McD in their positions.....giving them a chance to fine tune the team for seriously consecutive playoff contention

Fair enough 

[LSHMEAB]

11 hours ago, mannc said:

I hate to say it, but sac flies don’t “extend the inning.” ?

Haha. Nice. Fair enough, but they don't END the inning!