dezertbill Posted December 24, 2018 Posted December 24, 2018 Currently, according to Spotrac the Bills have $7,062,000 in remaining cap space this season. Their dead cap is astronomical for a reason, to eat as much dead cap this year in order to free up as much space as possible for 2019. With an estimated $196 million cap ceiling next year, Beane has set up the franchise to have close to $89 million in free cap space entering into 2019. Obviously, one name that seems to be a cap casualty no-brainer next year is Charles Clay, who would only cost us $4.5 million in dead cap next year and a $4.5 million savings off his $9 million salary in 2019. My question is why didn't they cut him this year? Prior to cutting Kelvin Benjamin, the Bills had $15.5 million in cap space. Charles Clay dead cap number this season was $13.5 million. They could have cut him this year and taken his entire $9m salary completely off the books, giving us an additional $4.5 million next year. Instead, they cut Benjamin and his $8,459,000 dead cap number. Benjamin is a free agent after this season, and his cap number in 2019 is $0. Now, with a shade over $7 million remaining in cap space after waiving Benjamin, they can't cut Clay. Benjamin was let go days after the Miami game in which Clay failed to come up with the last second catch to win the game. Beane and Co. had to know by then that Clay's days in a Bills uniform were numbered. Why not cut a guy that's on our books next year instead of a guy who isn't? Some will say "How much cap space do you need?". I would say you are always trying to maximize your roster and cutting dead cap as soon as possible. The $4.5 million difference could mean an extra stud OL or WR. Plus, If that's your plan, be consistent. Wondering if they knew what they know now (deactivating Clay), in hindsight would the cut Clay instead? 1
26CornerBlitz Posted December 24, 2018 Posted December 24, 2018 They have $90M in cap room for 2019. This is not an issue. 2 2 1 7
Clemfield2622 Posted December 24, 2018 Posted December 24, 2018 Uh, they're going to get 4.5 savings for cutting Clay after the year. 1
BADOLBILZ Posted December 24, 2018 Posted December 24, 2018 2 minutes ago, dezertbill said: Currently, according to Spotrac the Bills have $7,062,000 in remaining cap space this season. Their dead cap is astronomical for a reason, to eat as much dead cap this year in order to free up as much space as possible for 2019. With an estimated $196 million cap ceiling next year, Beane has set up the franchise to have close to $89 million in free cap space entering into 2019. Obviously, one name that seems to be a cap casualty no-brainer next year is Charles Clay, who would only cost us $4.5 million in dead cap next year and a $4.5 million savings off his $9 million salary in 2019. My question is why didn't they cut him this year? Prior to cutting Kelvin Benjamin, the Bills had $15.5 million in cap space. Charles Clay dead cap number this season was $13.5 million. They could have cut him this year and taken his entire $9m salary completely off the books, giving us an additional $4.5 million next year. Instead, they cut Benjamin and his $8,459,000 dead cap number. Benjamin is a free agent after this season, and his cap number in 2019 is $0. Now, with a shade over $7 million remaining in cap space after waiving Benjamin, they can't cut Clay. Benjamin was let go days after the Miami game in which Clay failed to come up with the last second catch to win the game. Beane and Co. had to know by then that Clay's days in a Bills uniform were numbered. Why not cut a guy that's on our books next year instead of a guy who isn't? Some will say "How much cap space do you need?". I would say you are always trying to maximize your roster and cutting dead cap as soon as possible. The $4.5 million difference could mean an extra stud OL or WR. Plus, If that's your plan, be consistent. Wondering if they knew what they know now (deactivating Clay), in hindsight would the cut Clay instead? They can roll over any remaining 2018 cap room into next season...........no real savings advantage to cutting Clay during this season as opposed to doing it this offseason. 2
2020 Our Year For Sure Posted December 24, 2018 Posted December 24, 2018 I'm glad KB is gone but it's an interesting thought
Dr.Sack Posted December 24, 2018 Posted December 24, 2018 KB dropped a contested pass on a slant in the end zone yesterday. It went between his hands and hit his shoulder pads. Any way you slice it KB has regressed into a subpar WR. He’s just not getting it done. 5
NewEra Posted December 24, 2018 Posted December 24, 2018 (edited) 9 minutes ago, dezertbill said: Currently, according to Spotrac the Bills have $7,062,000 in remaining cap space this season. Their dead cap is astronomical for a reason, to eat as much dead cap this year in order to free up as much space as possible for 2019. With an estimated $196 million cap ceiling next year, Beane has set up the franchise to have close to $89 million in free cap space entering into 2019. Obviously, one name that seems to be a cap casualty no-brainer next year is Charles Clay, who would only cost us $4.5 million in dead cap next year and a $4.5 million savings off his $9 million salary in 2019. My question is why didn't they cut him this year? Prior to cutting Kelvin Benjamin, the Bills had $15.5 million in cap space. Charles Clay dead cap number this season was $13.5 million. They could have cut him this year and taken his entire $9m salary completely off the books, giving us an additional $4.5 million next year. Instead, they cut Benjamin and his $8,459,000 dead cap number. Benjamin is a free agent after this season, and his cap number in 2019 is $0. Now, with a shade over $7 million remaining in cap space after waiving Benjamin, they can't cut Clay. Benjamin was let go days after the Miami game in which Clay failed to come up with the last second catch to win the game. Beane and Co. had to know by then that Clay's days in a Bills uniform were numbered. Why not cut a guy that's on our books next year instead of a guy who isn't? Some will say "How much cap space do you need?". I would say you are always trying to maximize your roster and cutting dead cap as soon as possible. The $4.5 million difference could mean an extra stud OL or WR. Plus, If that's your plan, be consistent. Wondering if they knew what they know now (deactivating Clay), in hindsight would the cut Clay instead? We don’t need an additional 4.5 mill n3xt year. No chance we spend all 90 mill Edited December 24, 2018 by NewEra
ColoradoBills Posted December 24, 2018 Posted December 24, 2018 6 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: They can roll over any remaining 2018 cap room into next season...........no real savings advantage to cutting Clay during this season as opposed to doing it this offseason. Exactly. It had more to do with a statement and a roster spot to release KB. Clay is right behind him after the season ends. No offense to the OP but there are going to be 100s of "cap" threads that will make incorrect assumptions in the next 6 months. Members should ask questions and learn more instead of just posting. IMO.
Big Turk Posted December 24, 2018 Posted December 24, 2018 23 minutes ago, dezertbill said: Currently, according to Spotrac the Bills have $7,062,000 in remaining cap space this season. Their dead cap is astronomical for a reason, to eat as much dead cap this year in order to free up as much space as possible for 2019. With an estimated $196 million cap ceiling next year, Beane has set up the franchise to have close to $89 million in free cap space entering into 2019. Obviously, one name that seems to be a cap casualty no-brainer next year is Charles Clay, who would only cost us $4.5 million in dead cap next year and a $4.5 million savings off his $9 million salary in 2019. My question is why didn't they cut him this year? Prior to cutting Kelvin Benjamin, the Bills had $15.5 million in cap space. Charles Clay dead cap number this season was $13.5 million. They could have cut him this year and taken his entire $9m salary completely off the books, giving us an additional $4.5 million next year. Instead, they cut Benjamin and his $8,459,000 dead cap number. Benjamin is a free agent after this season, and his cap number in 2019 is $0. Now, with a shade over $7 million remaining in cap space after waiving Benjamin, they can't cut Clay. Benjamin was let go days after the Miami game in which Clay failed to come up with the last second catch to win the game. Beane and Co. had to know by then that Clay's days in a Bills uniform were numbered. Why not cut a guy that's on our books next year instead of a guy who isn't? Some will say "How much cap space do you need?". I would say you are always trying to maximize your roster and cutting dead cap as soon as possible. The $4.5 million difference could mean an extra stud OL or WR. Plus, If that's your plan, be consistent. Wondering if they knew what they know now (deactivating Clay), in hindsight would the cut Clay instead? Maybe they still will...season is not done yet. Benjamin looked so great dropping that ball in the endzone yesterday...should have kept him... 1
Helpmenow Posted December 24, 2018 Posted December 24, 2018 21 minutes ago, Dr.Sack said: KB dropped a contested pass on a slant in the end zone yesterday. It went between his hands and hit his shoulder pads. Any way you slice it KB has regressed into a subpar WR. He’s just not getting it done. Worst hands in the league.
cba fan Posted December 24, 2018 Posted December 24, 2018 (edited) 37 minutes ago, dezertbill said: Currently, according to Spotrac the Bills have $7,062,000 in remaining cap space this season. Their dead cap is astronomical for a reason, to eat as much dead cap this year in order to free up as much space as possible for 2019. With an estimated $196 million cap ceiling next year, Beane has set up the franchise to have close to $89 million in free cap space entering into 2019. Obviously, one name that seems to be a cap casualty no-brainer next year is Charles Clay, who would only cost us $4.5 million in dead cap next year and a $4.5 million savings off his $9 million salary in 2019. My question is why didn't they cut him this year? Prior to cutting Kelvin Benjamin, the Bills had $15.5 million in cap space. Charles Clay dead cap number this season was $13.5 million. They could have cut him this year and taken his entire $9m salary completely off the books, giving us an additional $4.5 million next year. Instead, they cut Benjamin and his $8,459,000 dead cap number. Benjamin is a free agent after this season, and his cap number in 2019 is $0. Now, with a shade over $7 million remaining in cap space after waiving Benjamin, they can't cut Clay. Benjamin was let go days after the Miami game in which Clay failed to come up with the last second catch to win the game. Beane and Co. had to know by then that Clay's days in a Bills uniform were numbered. Why not cut a guy that's on our books next year instead of a guy who isn't? Some will say "How much cap space do you need?". I would say you are always trying to maximize your roster and cutting dead cap as soon as possible. The $4.5 million difference could mean an extra stud OL or WR. Plus, If that's your plan, be consistent. Wondering if they knew what they know now (deactivating Clay), in hindsight would the cut Clay instead? ??? Does not matter when they cut Clay. His salary for this year is all on the books. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/charles-clay-7893/ hit the red x on 2018 for details of post 6-1-18 cut. His cap hit for 2018 is 9 mill whether he is on the team or not. Dead cap is 9 mill if he is cut. Same cost. Dead cap 2019 is 4.5 if cut now or in offseason. Same with 2019 dead cap it he is cut. it is 4.5 mill regardless of what you do with him this year. If they cut him during 2018 season now they then pay a roster replacement that would only add the vet min or rookie min prorated for just a few games. No factor. Edited December 24, 2018 by cba fan 2
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted December 24, 2018 Posted December 24, 2018 36 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: They have $90M in cap room for 2019. This is not an issue. ..Clay gave an effort....Benjabum was a pregnant door stop.............. 1 2
peterpan Posted December 24, 2018 Posted December 24, 2018 1 hour ago, 26CornerBlitz said: They have $90M in cap room for 2019. This is not an issue. It may sound like a lot but other teams have quite a bit more cap room than us. Plus they would be more desirable cities.
26CornerBlitz Posted December 24, 2018 Posted December 24, 2018 Just now, peterpan said: It may sound like a lot but other teams have quite a bit more cap room than us. Plus they would be more desirable cities. I already know that and none of them will be able to spend all of what they have on the books. The point is trying to save cap dollars isn't an issue.
dezertbill Posted December 24, 2018 Author Posted December 24, 2018 51 minutes ago, matter2003 said: Maybe they still will...season is not done yet. Benjamin looked so great dropping that ball in the endzone yesterday...should have kept him... They can't. We only have $7.06 mil in cap space left after cutting Benjamin. Clay's dead cap is $13.5 million. Emotions aside, the better biz decision was to cut Clay this year and let KB walk in FA. 48 minutes ago, Helpmenow said: Worst hands in the league. So are Clay's, and he is on our books next year. KB isn't. 5 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: I already know that and none of them will be able to spend all of what they have on the books. The point is trying to save cap dollars isn't an issue. Top WR's signing for $15 mil per season. Top DL signing for $15-20 mil. Top OL signing for $10-15 mil. $90 mil will go pretty quick.
26CornerBlitz Posted December 24, 2018 Posted December 24, 2018 4 minutes ago, dezertbill said: They can't. We only have $7.06 mil in cap space left after cutting Benjamin. Clay's dead cap is $13.5 million. Emotions aside, the better biz decision was to cut Clay this year and let KB walk in FA. So are Clay's, and he is on our books next year. KB isn't. Top WR's signing for $15 mil per season. Top DL signing for $15-20 mil. Top OL signing for $10-15 mil. $90 mil will go pretty quick. No it will not. They'll have money that'll carry over to the following season. I don't think you get how the cap works based on your OP. 2
1st Ammendment NoMas Posted December 24, 2018 Posted December 24, 2018 27 minutes ago, dezertbill said: Top WR's signing for $15 mil per season. No WR or RB outside LeVeon Bell is getting 15/per for 3+ There is no game changing WR on the market for this price. Top DL signing for $15-20 mil. Lawrence, Flowers, Ford, Clowney may get 13-15m on a 5 year deal, no one is getting Mack money 20m from this group Top OL signing for $10-15 mil. No OL even mentioned in Top 25 FA perhaps Williams and Brown. Good for 10-12m not 15 $90 mil will go pretty quick. We could sign LeVeon Bell, Demarcus Lawrence, Jadevon Clowney, Daryl Williams and Matt Paradise and have 30m left so I think we are in good shape. 1 1
billsfan89 Posted December 24, 2018 Posted December 24, 2018 3 minutes ago, BillsRdue said: We could sign LeVeon Bell, Demarcus Lawrence, Jadevon Clowney, Daryl Williams and Matt Paradise and have 30m left so I think we are in good shape. Clowney could command 20 million per, Bell 15 million, and Lawrence 18-20 million. That's 53-55 million Daryl Williams and Pradise probably will combined be well over 10 million if not 8-10 million a piece. That being said even if that 90 million goes quick the team likely can open up an additional 10-25 million in cap space without losing much in value. Shady, Clay, Murphy, Vlad, Ivory, and a few other players can be cut to open up more space if needed.
BobbyC81 Posted December 24, 2018 Posted December 24, 2018 2 hours ago, Dr.Sack said: KB dropped a contested pass on a slant in the end zone yesterday. It went between his hands and hit his shoulder pads. Any way you slice it KB has regressed into a subpar WR. He’s just not getting it done. He also was not being a good role model for younger players with his jogging thru routes.
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