PolishPrince Posted December 23, 2018 Posted December 23, 2018 1 minute ago, BringBackOrton said: why is this confusing? I have not really seen him burned in the passing game since the Chargers game, but I do notice him make nice pass break ups or very tight coverage multiple times a game... For a MLB I am not expecting him to hip cover a top WR all over the field lol
BringBackOrton Posted December 23, 2018 Posted December 23, 2018 Just now, Coach Tuesday said: It’s not “unearned confidence” so much as zero accountability for making mistakes. These guys know they’re unfireable. What does this mean? What accountability would you like to see? We had a GM who was afraid to make mistakes. He drafted EJ and was afraid to draft a QB for the 4 years after that. 1
Andrew Son Posted December 23, 2018 Posted December 23, 2018 I think he is just "over-thinking" it right now. Appears to be playing slow because of it. The game will slow down for him and he'll play faster. I don't see them moving him, they've basically tried to make him the leader of the defense since day one. 1
HappyDays Posted December 23, 2018 Posted December 23, 2018 Just now, Coach Tuesday said: It’s not “unearned confidence” so much as zero accountability for making mistakes. These guys know they’re unfireable. It's the same mistake made by a bunch of executives in the NFL. They don't know what they don't know. Draft mistakes will happen no matter what and the best way to minimize that is use all your picks or trade down for more. I would never trade up for a player that isn't a QB. 2
Mark Vader Posted December 23, 2018 Posted December 23, 2018 4 minutes ago, HappyDays said: We need to stop trading up. The only player you can justify that for so far is Allen just because he plays QB. Dawkins, Jones, and now Edmunds have not been worth the trade ups. Our best player was drafted in a trade down. I don't get the unearned confidence in the scouting. I don't mind the trade-ups that much, but I agree that with the upcoming draft that we need to use all the picks we have. I would much rather trade down in the next draft.
BADOLBILZ Posted December 23, 2018 Author Posted December 23, 2018 (edited) 9 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said: Makes the decision to let Preston Brown walk for peanuts all the more unusual. PB was not really all that good, but he had decent instincts and could command the defense. Edmunds has the range that McD likes, but all the athleticism in the world doesn't matter when you pick the wrong hole. Brown lead the NFL in tackles in this defense last year............it's a defense that by design can make a MLB look good. 2017 Preston Brown probably makes 20 stops against that list of plays today.........of course they get off the field more and NE maybe even throws more if Edmunds isn't out there being spun around all day. Edited December 23, 2018 by BADOLBILZ 1
The Now Moment Posted December 23, 2018 Posted December 23, 2018 (edited) 13 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: He's been bad for most of the year. No progress since week 1. Obviously you can't give up on such a high first round pick, but it's worrisome and they'd be taken a risk starting him at MLB going into the season next year. I think they could look into moving him to the outside but he's a young player with a lot of talent who did look better with Milano next to him. I can't express how young he is enough. He'd be a young junior in college this year. He's not there yet physically. Although he's a specimen, he doesn't know how to use his body just yet. Certainly something that can be taught but we are at a point right now where you certainly could move him to another position. He's such a raw player. He was always a project when we drafted him. He will indeed take a few years to develop. He reminds me a bit of Clowney. Big specimen who were just learning how to use their physicality. They didn't have to much in college because they were just better athletes than anyone else. The mental game was also a bit behind for him because he relied on his athleticism which you can't get away with in the NFL. Edited December 23, 2018 by Buffalo30
34-78-83 Posted December 23, 2018 Posted December 23, 2018 I think Edmunds will be fine but man he sure played poorly today.
ColoradoBills Posted December 23, 2018 Posted December 23, 2018 Edmunds has struggled a lot this year. Looking to Free Agency for an ILB that can play some OLB would be a wise move on Beane's part. One thing that Edmunds needs to become is a lot more aggressive, I think he can improve his technique with time. For all the Preston Brown fans he is available in FA.
LSHMEAB Posted December 23, 2018 Posted December 23, 2018 The guy we're paying a fortune to eats space isn't doing him any favors, but I agree with the consensus that Edmunds is best suited as a WLB. I'm starting to think Star is an ironic nickname. Like a fat guy everyone calls Tiny. On the plus side, Lorax balled out even if his physical limitations were evident a couple of times. True pro.
BringBackOrton Posted December 23, 2018 Posted December 23, 2018 1 minute ago, BADOLBILZ said: Brown lead the NFL in tackles in this defense last year............it's a defense that by design can make a MLB look good. 2017 Preston Brown probably makes 20 stops against that list of plays today.........of course they get off the field more and NE maybe even throws more if Edmunds isn't out there being spun around all day. Yep. We needed our Luke Kuechly-type player, though. Drafting for needs, always fun.
Hapless Bills Fan Posted December 23, 2018 Posted December 23, 2018 21 minutes ago, billsfan_34 said: On the defensive side he was brutal and here is why - Consistently out of position - Over pursues - Plays too tall - Never lowers his shoulder pads - Weak tackler- everytimehe tackles the player goes forward a few more yards - Takes horrible angles- misses way to many tackles. this one is on the regime. He should be playing OLB this was true. and yet it is possible that he looked particularly bad this week because the Evil One designed plays to exploit his tendencies. 1
Scott7975 Posted December 23, 2018 Posted December 23, 2018 24 minutes ago, billsfan_34 said: On the defensive side he was brutal and here is why - Consistently out of position - Over pursues - Plays too tall - Never lowers his shoulder pads - Weak tackler- everytimehe tackles the player goes forward a few more yards - Takes horrible angles- misses way to many tackles. this one is on the regime. He should be playing OLB He also consistently gets sucks in on a run fake.
LSHMEAB Posted December 23, 2018 Posted December 23, 2018 Just now, Hapless Bills Fan said: this was true. and yet it is possible that he looked particularly bad this week because the Evil One designed plays to exploit his tendencies. This is my problem with the front seven. What you say is true as you're often the voice of reason. That being said, you can't "gameplan" for a dominant defensive line. That's where I'd be focusing my resources this offseason. Baltimore has a great defense. Buffalo has a good defense. 1
bigK14094 Posted December 23, 2018 Posted December 23, 2018 32 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: He was awful today. Worst player on the field. He's been poor most of the season and I think today was on par with or as bad as he's been all season. Critically poor instincts........big target who can't get off blocks.........not strong or physical enough.......poor leverage........doesn't move well thru traffic........doesn't make plays in a scheme where he should be making a ton of them. He's young........yeah........but this isn't the QB position.......good MLB's are almost without exception tremendous right out of the gate. Don't be surprised if he's at OLB next season folks. Yes, he is definitely not a run plugging MLB. Played outside in college, and headed back there I am guessing also.
ColoradoBills Posted December 23, 2018 Posted December 23, 2018 Just now, Scott7975 said: He also consistently gets sucks in on a run fake. That was his knock coming out of college. It's almost that he reacts too fast. Holding his position before committing seems like a problem.
billsfan_34 Posted December 23, 2018 Posted December 23, 2018 2 minutes ago, Scott7975 said: He also consistently gets sucks in on a run fake. Yep- he doesnt have a high football iq 1
mannc Posted December 23, 2018 Posted December 23, 2018 26 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said: He should play Wlb. He’s not physical enough or good enough against the run to play MLB. Now you tell us! Pretty sure we traded up to draft our MLB of the future. Another trade up that’s not looking too good right now. I’m sensing a trend... 3
billsfan_34 Posted December 23, 2018 Posted December 23, 2018 4 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: this was true. and yet it is possible that he looked particularly bad this week because the Evil One designed plays to exploit his tendencies. Oh mr evil will exploit- he has had many of the same issues all year long thou 24 minutes ago, Heitz said: Says the anonymous guy on the message board... ? Wait, what - this is an interesting turn, Allen was the second worst player on the field today!? o_O Wait? Who is anonymous? Not me ? Am I? Hmmmmmm
BADOLBILZ Posted December 23, 2018 Author Posted December 23, 2018 8 minutes ago, Mark Vader said: For the record, Edmunds had a bad game, but there's no reason to give up on him. Also, enough with the wining about not taking Vander Esche. Sheesh! I guess the Bears blew it too, when they took Roquan Smith instead of Vander Esche. Right? Well..........yeah........there is a reason to give up on him at MLB............because you want a competent starting MLB. This isn't the QB position where you have a 15% chance of finding one you can win with..............good MLB's are pretty easy to find. Just put Edmunds somewhere that his lack of instincts for the MLB position don't hurt the defense and see how he does. Unfortunately they probably wasted a season where they could have been honing his abilities as an OLB/edge rusher type..........but hey, he's young, right?
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