Figster Posted December 21, 2018 Posted December 21, 2018 2 hours ago, Augie said: If he just doesn’t want it, that’s hard to overcome. I pray he can find some balance in his life. What might appear to be a dream to me, or you, is not the dream of the next guy. People talk about being rich and famous. I’d love rich, but I would HATE famous. And I’d rather be happy than rich. Everyone is different. Don’t judge so much, that’s just based upon your personal perspective. and smoking weed makes some people happy, So stick that in your pipe and smoke it...
26CornerBlitz Posted December 21, 2018 Author Posted December 21, 2018 This should be a secondary concern for him and anyone else.
Doc Posted December 21, 2018 Posted December 21, 2018 9 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: The Browns tried everything... psychologists. Counselors. Babysitters. They wanted to help him but he doesn’t care about football. Been that way since HS. He needs to want it himself. Yup. Should just leave it altogether and go back to a private life.
RochesterRob Posted December 21, 2018 Posted December 21, 2018 10 hours ago, Augie said: It’s a bargaining chip in the next CBA. It all comes down to money. As opposed to the government, where it all comes down to stupid about money. Lobbyists carry weight. OxyContin, which should be illegal, was all the rage. Something like 85% of all the Oxy sold in the US was sold in Florida. Pill mills generated billions in profits, and people came from all over the country to hit a dozen docs and take it back home. It all comes down to friggin’ money in the end. I think that the NFL is tied to whatever the federal government's policy is at the time. I don't think that the NFL has balls so big to go against the Feds. The best a pro MJ advocate in the NFL can hope for is that the NFL will announce that it will not test for pot but will not openly endorse it or tie it to player health issues.
Hapless Bills Fan Posted December 21, 2018 Posted December 21, 2018 9 hours ago, MrEpsYtown said: And while mental health and addiction are obviously serious issues as we've discussed in this thread, can everything he's done really be blamed on mental health issues? It seems like a bit of a stretch to me. I really recommend people read that SI article. Especially people who are defending him. I'd like to hear their thoughts after reading. And I'm not trying be an ass, I am genuinely curious about others' take on the article. I don't know (nor want to know, really) enough about the details of Josh Gordon's childhood to know if this applies, but child psychiatrists such as Bruce Perry make the point that there seem to be critical windows of development where infants and toddlers need to have their needs consistently met in order to develop into functional human beings with empathy, self-control and so forth. My point would be if someone has a rough enough start, it can cause fundamental mental health issues that influence all their actions, yes. The thing is, Josh Gordon due to his enormous athletic talent, had opportunities not available to thousands of kids in similar environments. My sympathies kinda go to them. If someone want an interesting light read on the topic, I recommend Perry's book "The Boy who was raised as a dog" 1
Chris66 Posted December 21, 2018 Posted December 21, 2018 1 hour ago, RochesterRob said: I think that the NFL is tied to whatever the federal government's policy is at the time. I don't think that the NFL has balls so big to go against the Feds. The best a pro MJ advocate in the NFL can hope for is that the NFL will announce that it will not test for pot but will not openly endorse it or tie it to player health issues. Thats exactly ehat the nba does.
PatsFanNH Posted December 21, 2018 Posted December 21, 2018 I think Tedy Bruschi said it best when he said his football issue is secondary.. what everyone should be concerned about is this man being able to get himself clean again and live a long healthy life with or without football. (He has a child he needs be there for)
TheFunPolice Posted December 21, 2018 Posted December 21, 2018 12 hours ago, Augie said: If he just doesn’t want it, that’s hard to overcome. I pray he can find some balance in his life. What might appear to be a dream to me, or you, is not the dream of the next guy. People talk about being rich and famous. I’d love rich, but I would HATE famous. And I’d rather be happy than rich. Everyone is different. Don’t judge so much, that’s just based upon your personal perspective. The happiest people are those who enjoy both financial security and anonymity
Augie Posted December 21, 2018 Posted December 21, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, RochesterRob said: I think that the NFL is tied to whatever the federal government's policy is at the time. I don't think that the NFL has balls so big to go against the Feds. The best a pro MJ advocate in the NFL can hope for is that the NFL will announce that it will not test for pot but will not openly endorse it or tie it to player health issues. ...and that is exactly what I think will happen, given the desired concessions from the players. They will not go PRO pot, but just look away. It’s all about money, they don’t care what the Feds think. . Edited December 21, 2018 by Augie
row_33 Posted December 21, 2018 Posted December 21, 2018 9 hours ago, Figster said: and smoking weed makes some people happy, So stick that in your pipe and smoke it... he is now free to smoke all the weed he wants to stay happy only costs him several million, but it's not addictive 1
EasternOHBillsFan Posted December 21, 2018 Posted December 21, 2018 15 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Another enlightened view. If it were someone in your family of course you would have given up on them. A lot of families are forced to, but you wouldn't know. You've never had to commit a family member because they are incapable of taking care of themselves. You don't know MY story, so your cavalier attitude is not appreciated. 1
RochesterRob Posted December 21, 2018 Posted December 21, 2018 11 minutes ago, Augie said: ...and that is exactly what I think will happen, given the desired concessions from the players. They will not go PRO pot, but just look away. It’s all about money, they don’t care what the Feds think. . Oh, I think the NFL cares what the Feds think as they are vulnerable to the machinations of the government. Right now the NFL has a the perfect excuse to abandon testing for MJ as so many states including ones where players live or play have legalized it so the NFL will say it is too complicated to enforce. All the old guard owners are gone that formed their opinions from watching the 1960's television show Dragnet so I don't see anybody from that position having a problem washing their hands of pot testing.
Augie Posted December 21, 2018 Posted December 21, 2018 2 minutes ago, RochesterRob said: Oh, I think the NFL cares what the Feds think as they are vulnerable to the machinations of the government. Right now the NFL has a the perfect excuse to abandon testing for MJ as so many states including ones where players live or play have legalized it so the NFL will say it is too complicated to enforce. All the old guard owners are gone that formed their opinions from watching the 1960's television show Dragnet so I don't see anybody from that position having a problem washing their hands of pot testing. For the right price, the NFL will do what the NBA and everyone else does.....just look away. It’s not their job to enforce federal restrictions. They are all about the $$$$$$.
26CornerBlitz Posted December 21, 2018 Author Posted December 21, 2018 2 minutes ago, EasternOHBillsFan said: A lot of families are forced to, but you wouldn't know. You've never had to commit a family member because they are incapable of taking care of themselves. You don't know MY story, so your cavalier attitude is not appreciated. I didn't claim to know your story, but I do know the attitude you displayed in your post about him was dismissive just because he's a football player. You most certainly don't know my story which again shows you should just remain silent on the subject instead of spouting off. 1
26CornerBlitz Posted December 21, 2018 Author Posted December 21, 2018 (edited) Edited December 21, 2018 by 26CornerBlitz
Doc Posted December 21, 2018 Posted December 21, 2018 I don't see how the NFL can let Gordon back. He's had chance after chance after chance, and the supposedly model franchise who can keep anyone in line...couldn't. I see Kareem Hunt back in the NFL well before Gordon.
billsfan_34 Posted December 21, 2018 Posted December 21, 2018 Oh no, I popped again on a piss test- I better tell everyone im stepping away for my mental health as the pending suspension looms overhead. C’mon Josh, we aren’t that stupid. 2 hours ago, Doc said: I don't see how the NFL can let Gordon back. He's had chance after chance after chance, and the supposedly model franchise who can keep anyone in line...couldn't. I see Kareem Hunt back in the NFL well before Gordon. I agree- imo Josh is done in the NFL- too many chances. Hunt will be back especially once his suspension is over and a team needs a rb.
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