Chuck Wagon Posted December 20, 2018 Posted December 20, 2018 Look out Alvin Kamara. My fantasy roster: Goff / Cam (2 QB league) Kamara / Aaron Jones / Matt Breida Julio / Odell / AJ Green / Josh Gordon Gronk / Greg Olsen Literally everyone but Kamara has suffered a significant injury or been completely ineffective or had an addiction issue relapse. 1
boyst Posted December 20, 2018 Posted December 20, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Seoul_panther said: Well if you’ve watched a lot of him you will know that early in his career he had an absolute cannon of an arm. His deep throws were a true weapon and the deterioration of his arm strength has been sad to behold, a shadow of what it was and due largely to being given no investment in oline and very few weapons. The best receiver he ever had was Steve Smith at the end of his career prior to this year. Did you know he has more 4th quarter comebacks than Aaron Rodgers? Now look he’s not a top 5 QB and his mechanics and commitment to his craft are questionable. It’s completely fair to say he was overeliant on his physicality, although he was put in that position and not discouraged from it. He’s immature and his bad games are total shockers but if you think Panthers would have made the playoffs 4 times in the last 5 seasons without him I would say you are mistaken. It’s a flawed roster. You’re right that he’s been guilty of putting himself in the path of harm. For me selflessness is not a terrible quality. He’s also taken some horrific helmet hits which haven’t drawn flags. Safe to say he doesn’t fall into the golden boy category of Brady or Brees. A 24 lbs cannon with no aim is rarely a dangerous weapon. Edit. I hate when people argue comebacks are a quarterback stat. They're more Defense IMO. I can argue that if you'd like but I will probably be too lazy to articulate to the degree of obliteration 1 hour ago, Seoul_panther said: Well if you’ve watched a lot of him you will know that early in his career he had an absolute cannon of an arm. His deep throws were a true weapon and the deterioration of his arm strength has been sad to behold, a shadow of what it was and due largely to being given no investment in oline and very few weapons. The best receiver he ever had was Steve Smith at the end of his career prior to this year. Did you know he has more 4th quarter comebacks than Aaron Rodgers? Now look he’s not a top 5 QB and his mechanics and commitment to his craft are questionable. It’s completely fair to say he was overeliant on his physicality, although he was put in that position and not discouraged from it. He’s immature and his bad games are total shockers but if you think Panthers would have made the playoffs 4 times in the last 5 seasons without him I would say you are mistaken. It’s a flawed roster. You’re right that he’s been guilty of putting himself in the path of harm. For me selflessness is not a terrible quality. He’s also taken some horrific helmet hits which haven’t drawn flags. Safe to say he doesn’t fall into the golden boy category of Brady or Brees. Oh missed last paragraph. The selflessness needs to be on your rookie/cheap RB's instead of your star QB who needs to pass, not run. And few teams have a McCoy on their team. And he's not worth his $$$ Edited December 20, 2018 by Boyst62
Jerome007 Posted December 20, 2018 Posted December 20, 2018 He is injured but still, for all the "Josh haters", have you seen the exciting Panthers-Saints game? The Panthers TD pass was by their RB on a trick play (great play BTW I jumped up). Does Allen look so much worse especially considering he is a raw rookie? Even Brees missed some open guys as he couldn't get in his usual rhythm going with the Panthers' D all over him. "Fans" wanting perfection out of the QB, especially a rookie, are so damn annoying.
BlueandRed Posted December 20, 2018 Posted December 20, 2018 This is the team we’re trying to duplicate? Talk about mediocre.
Nextmanup Posted December 20, 2018 Posted December 20, 2018 4 hours ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said: I would hate to have Cam Newton as my starter, the Panthers are going through what the Bills did with Taylor. The Panthers would need a defense better than what the Bears have this year to even have a chance at the playoffs. The Panthers need a fresh start at the QB position. I actually think Newton has worse field vision than Taylor if that is even possible. This is my fear with Allen; I'm afraid he will prove to be "not good enough" but not in an obvious, disastrous way, so he lingers as the starter for years. That is worse than him flaming out IMO.
John from Riverside Posted December 20, 2018 Posted December 20, 2018 57 minutes ago, BlueandRed said: This is the team we’re trying to duplicate? Talk about mediocre. You mean the team that won the Super Bowl? 55 minutes ago, Nextmanup said: This is my fear with Allen; I'm afraid he will prove to be "not good enough" but not in an obvious, disastrous way, so he lingers as the starter for years. That is worse than him flaming out IMO. Christ This is a super bowl winning QB who is injured this year. You know what their team is really missing? Sean McD. 1
CommonCents Posted December 20, 2018 Posted December 20, 2018 3 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: You mean the team that won the Super Bowl? Christ This is a super bowl winning QB who is injured this year. You know what their team is really missing? Sean McD. The corpse of Peyton Manning won that SB. Chicken Parmy tastes so good!!
C.Biscuit97 Posted December 20, 2018 Posted December 20, 2018 5 hours ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said: I would hate to have Cam Newton as my starter, the Panthers are going through what the Bills did with Taylor. The Panthers would need a defense better than what the Bears have this year to even have a chance at the playoffs. The Panthers need a fresh start at the QB position. I actually think Newton has worse field vision than Taylor if that is even possible. Except the whole MVP 15-1 SB season, multiple playoff berths, and rookie passing records. Some of you are comparing Allen and his 65 qb rating to Hall of Famers and trashing Newton. So dumb. If Allen is 80% as good as Newton, he will the second best qb in Bills history. 1 hour ago, Nextmanup said: This is my fear with Allen; I'm afraid he will prove to be "not good enough" but not in an obvious, disastrous way, so he lingers as the starter for years. That is worse than him flaming out IMO. Haha. It would be so bad to have Allen be Cam Newton. You guys might want to compare Allen’s year to Cam’s rookie year. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/N/NewtCa00.htm 1
John from Riverside Posted December 20, 2018 Posted December 20, 2018 1 minute ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Except the whole MVP 15-1 SB season, multiple playoff berths, and rookie passing records. Some of you are comparing Allen and his 65 qb rating to Hall of Famers and trashing Newton. So dumb. If Allen is 80% as good as Newton, he will the second best qb in Bills history. I just dont understand the Bashing of Cam....I dont get it. After Jim Kelly....we have had NOTHING close to Cam Newton and have hopes in our rookie QB 3
C.Biscuit97 Posted December 20, 2018 Posted December 20, 2018 2 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: I just dont understand the Bashing of Cam....I dont get it. After Jim Kelly....we have had NOTHING close to Cam Newton and have hopes in our rookie QB It’s so stupid. I think people don’t like his attitude but when he is right, he is a top 10 qb. He plays with a lot of crappy receivers too. im hard on Allen but if he comes close to being like Newton, I will put him on the Wall of Fame myself. 8 minutes ago, CommonCents said: The corpse of Peyton Manning won that SB. Chicken Parmy tastes so good!! Or their awesome defense. the funniest thing about the Panthers that year is Benjamin missed the entire year and Newton won the MVP with Ted Ginn as his top receiver. Then we traded a pick for that slob.
boyst Posted December 20, 2018 Posted December 20, 2018 Newton blows. It's reality. 2 good seasons with one being great where he had a HOF TE and one of the best OL's assembled this decade. For his price and for the shortness of his career I am just not that impressed 1
C.Biscuit97 Posted December 20, 2018 Posted December 20, 2018 Just now, Boyst62 said: Newton blows. It's reality. 2 good seasons with one being great where he had a HOF TE and one of the best OL's assembled this decade. For his price and for the shortness of his career I am just not that impressed Like clockwork
boyst Posted December 20, 2018 Posted December 20, 2018 Just now, C.Biscuit97 said: Like clockwork Worthwhile response. Amazing they haven't listed what the injury is and there are no rumors, right? Torn pec? Torn rotator cuff? Strained back? Or is it like the Super Bowl where he hurt his ***** and his mental game is off? I think whatever it is - it's psychosomatic. Sure, they'll do a surgery, clean out some debris and whatnot but I truly doubt that this is a truly real situation he can't overcome with toughness The guy has never read a field, always chucked it up, played in a ***** division with ***** tier defenses, benefited from always having Olsen as his checkdown, had OL that were well above average, teammates that hated him/fought with him during practice, had issues playing tough or smart, not motivated to be a team player, and costs you a ton of money for 1 2nd place trophy and a whole bunch of playoff participation trophies? I'd move on while I could and rebuild that team while I could unload Newton for something. He just isn't worth it and he will never get better and has only regressed from his best year. He's gonna be spent in 2 years.
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted December 20, 2018 Posted December 20, 2018 (edited) ..cannot deny Cam's successes early on, leading to SB MVP and ring.......at the same time, he's never been a model of consistency, creating too many distractions......irrespective of career stats, he reminds me of the same immaturity displayed by Kaep and RG III.......hit the limelight too soon, willing to make it all about "me", never hesitating to throw teammates under the bus, exonerating any blame for a "L", etc......Kaep lost his way with tats 'n poses.....Griffin was Dopey Danny's fair haired boy even with Daddy RG sticking his two cents in....and now Cam is worried about his fedoras and digs for pressers.....I'm probably an old school crustacean, but those self-imposed distractions seem to infer lack of commitment to a TEAM sport versus it's is about ME....then again, I'm probably not the brightest bulb in the lighting store.......STFU Oldtimer.......... Edited December 20, 2018 by OldTimeAFLGuy
CommonCents Posted December 20, 2018 Posted December 20, 2018 Did I get dropped on my head recently? Cam Newton didn’t win a SB. Did he? 1
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted December 20, 2018 Posted December 20, 2018 18 minutes ago, CommonCents said: Did I get dropped on my head recently? Cam Newton didn’t win a SB. Did he? ...point?...so did Flacco and now he's healthy "riding the pine" with talk about being expendable..................
C.Biscuit97 Posted December 21, 2018 Posted December 21, 2018 Cam’s Rookie year - 60%, 4,051 yards, 7.8 ypa, 21 tds, 84.5 qb rating, 706 rushing yards, 14 tds. What a bum!!! 1
Bing Bong Posted December 21, 2018 Posted December 21, 2018 13 hours ago, prissythecat said: Panthers still have a small chance to get into playoffs right? Maybe they think the backup is going to take them places where overrated Cam didn’t . Yes they waited until they had a playoff odds 2% chance and play their real superstar who's proven to play real MVP level football 7 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Except the whole MVP 15-1 SB season, multiple playoff berths, and rookie passing records. Some of you are comparing Allen and his 65 qb rating to Hall of Famers and trashing Newton. So dumb. If Allen is 80% as good as Newton, he will the second best qb in Bills history. Haha. It would be so bad to have Allen be Cam Newton. You guys might want to compare Allen’s year to Cam’s rookie year. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/N/NewtCa00.htm Good god they're stupid. 12 hours ago, Boyst62 said: Is it, though? His shoulder has been inconsistent. He has chucked the ball up consistently and llet it fly everywhere but has some mystery injury. Panthers fans have seen it and have made it known: newton has been a headcase this year and has no focus. This is a guy who cares more about his promotion and schtick than he does his team. This is a guy who throws himself around the field too stupid to protect himself and slings the ball so much and so hard that it's a matter of time (this year or next) that he is done. I don't think Newton will be doing much of anything by 2020. I've said it for 3 years. This is the decline. He had a good run at being above average but never even touched being a good QB, though he was borderline elite at football. The dudes a joke and his head is his biggest obstacle. YES IT'S FOOLISHNESS. Btw he's hurt. He didn't just get permanently disabled. Please oh please cite me where Cam has been a head case. I'm begging. Give me one thing. They played him at 40% on the slimmest chances they make the playoffs probably because 40% Cam is better than ... Who again?
Bing Bong Posted December 21, 2018 Posted December 21, 2018 13 hours ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said: I would hate to have Cam Newton as my starter, the Panthers are going through what the Bills did with Taylor. The Panthers would need a defense better than what the Bears have this year to even have a chance at the playoffs. The Panthers need a fresh start at the QB position. I actually think Newton has worse field vision than Taylor if that is even possible. So let me try to understand you here. BOY you must really hate Jim Kelly for making it to the Superbowl. He didn't even win MVP but he had an MVP runningback! What a horrible Quarterback to have. Can't even carry a team to the SB without an MVP Thurman Thomas. I mean Cam Newton won MVP carrying an offense and factoring for every score they had. Wow that's a terrible thing to have I'm sure you hate a QB that finishes his career after a SB run making a few playoffs with 12-4 records. You really must not like Jim Kelly. And talk about Josh Allen right? That bum couldn't even throw his best WR KB 1000 must be a bust! Ffs set your bar a little lower or look at your own franchise in the mirror before saying Carolina's Cam had the equivalency of Buffalo's Tyrod.
Bing Bong Posted December 21, 2018 Posted December 21, 2018 7 hours ago, Boyst62 said: Newton blows. It's reality. 2 good seasons with one being great where he had a HOF TE and one of the best OL's assembled this decade. For his price and for the shortness of his career I am just not that impressed Last I checked he still has a career 1
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