Being realistic about the experience and talent Josh and Daboll have to work with

[Buffalo03]

Yet somehow this offense has been moving the ball a lot better ever since the first Jets game. Somehow we have 5 wins when that looks like a 2 win team. I think Beane, McDermott and Daboll deserve credit for being able to do what they have done with what they have

[John from Riverside]

3 minutes ago, row_33 said:

 

this is the best we've had it in 20 or so years

 

sparrows digging in the horse manure for undigested oats

 

I prefer to look at it that in a down year we might have uncovered some useable gems like Foster and McKenzie.....

 

Josh Allen and T. Edmunds go into next year with a year of experience

 

Hopefully Teller biulds on his rookie season

 

We just need more good players

[gjv001]

1 hour ago, WideNine said:

Rather than bitching (complaining, nit-picking, whining, pick the appropriate adjective) about offensive production under Daboll or with Allen under center, I think we should all be more amazed that this motley collection below even have the capability to move the ball at all against other NFL teams. Just food for thought.

 

 

 

Ladies and Gentlemen these are your Buffalo Bills!

 

The starting roster on Offense for the Detroit game (at least for many of the snaps):

 

79 Jordan Mills T (Practice Squad Player)

73 Dion Dawkins T (2nd Year Starter)

75 Wyatt Teller G (Rookie -  inactive thru Week 8)

76 John Miller G / Ike Boettger (4th year struggling player, lost snaps during the game to Ike Boettger Practice Squad)

72 Ryan Groy C (bounced around the NFL for 5 years PS w/Chicago, traded to NE and spent that time on IR, injury settlement, waived and went to TB Practice Squad then to Bills)

 

16 Robert Foster (Practice Squad)

11 Zay Jones (struggling 2nd Year Player)

19 Isaiah McKenzie (Practice Squad)

35 Keith Ford (Practice Squad)

80 Jason Croom (Practice Squad)

12 Josh Allen (Rookie QB)

I think this is a fine testament to McDermott and his staff.

[John from Riverside]

Just now, Buffalo03 said:

Yet somehow this offense has been moving the ball a lot better ever since the first Jets game. Somehow we have 5 wins when that looks like a 2 win team. I think Beane, McDermott and Daboll deserve credit for being able to do what they have done with what they have

That is the Josh Allen effect....it is a amazing what a talented QB can do for your team

[MarkyMannn]

1 hour ago, WideNine said:

79 Jordan Mills T (Practice Squad Player)

73 Dion Dawkins T (2nd Year Starter)

75 Wyatt Teller G (Rookie -  inactive thru Week 8)

76 John Miller G / Ike Boettger (4th year struggling player, lost snaps during the game to Ike Boettger Practice Squad)

72 Ryan Groy C (bounced around the NFL for 5 years PS w/Chicago, traded to NE and spent that time on IR, injury settlement, waived and went to TB Practice Squad then to Bills)

 

16 Robert Foster (Practice Squad)

11 Zay Jones (struggling 2nd Year Player)

19 Isaiah McKenzie (Practice Squad)

35 Keith Ford (Practice Squad)

80 Jason Croom (Practice Squad)

12 Josh Allen (Rookie QB)

Geez there are some guys that got screwed on the pro bowl voting.  

 

Seriously a guy like Foster would have no place in the NFL with our other QB's over the last 5-10 years.  With a guy like JA at worst forcing the ball to him, all of a sudden Foster looks like he belongs in the league.  No star or anything but a viable player with a future.  That's all good

[Buffalo716]

Once you are in the league it realistically doesn’t matter where you were drafted.

 

the cream rises to the top in the NFL and there have been plenty of late round and UDFA studs 

 

we we need to find better players 

[WideNine]

3 minutes ago, PaattMaann said:

 

He had a season ending shoulder injury in 2015, was in an accident on his dirt bike (Got hit by a car on it) in 2017...so I guess a variety of stuff, he was having a good year in 2015. I think it was a mix of injuries/other weapons/run first offense at Bama. 

 

 

BTW, this is the dumbest thread. Who is saying the Bills are talented on offense????? Did we really all need a run down of the bunch of nobodies on this offense? People legitimately thought we would be good on offense? This is just one big DUH

 

What I find interesting is that there are a few posters who rarely ever venture into starting a thread themselves, yet feel they are an authority on what is a good thread or not and are quick to offer their opinion. They are welcome to their opinion - of course, and I won't try too hard to change it, but I do think that if a thread is so terrible don't bother reading it, or better yet show some stones and start your own threads so others can sit back and judge them.

 

I just like to get conversation rolling on the Wall - take it, or by all means leave it. I don't really mind that folks argue about the same things from a zillion different angles and will be likely arguing the same things next season, it is what it is.

 

There are plenty of threads that state the obvious about this offense, yet you will still find plenty of people citing our lack of offensive production (the scoreboard) in defense of how poorly Daboll is performing as an OC or how poorly Allen is doing at the QB position. That is why I spelled it out in very clear, very "DUH" fashion as you put it, just how inexperienced and just how many castaways made up our starting roster last Sunday.

 

There is plenty of reason to hope and be excited about this offseason, because if they can produce with the group they have now I cannot wait to see what they can do if OBD retools the line and weapons Josh has.

[CowboyBill]

10 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

In what world is Zay a good receiver? 

 

I understand the OPs point, but these are guys our front office and HC chose. 

 

So all these "practice squad" players are guys our decision makers thought were good enough to start. 

Lmao.

 

They wanted what they have. I'll give em credit for Allen to this point. Outside of that, their offensive decisions have been mostly  awful.

They chose what they could get. You are not going to get quality receivers to come to a team that has no one to get them the ball. They are not going to take more money to see their stats suck. Get a QB and then see the receivers start to consider a move to the Bills. The FO and HC found the QB, now you'll start see quality FA come too. 

 

[LABILLBACKER]

1 hour ago, oldmanfan said:

Lot of young guys there.

Other than a semi serviceable Dawkins,  the rest of this OL is terrible. Other than a promising Foster,  the rest of these receivers are awful. It's fantastic to see we have a much more athletic & mobile qb than anyone dreamed of. But the only chance he has to be a franchise qb will depend on improving these 2 areas. And I'm not even factoring in a security blanket TE. That will have to come later.

Edited December 19, 2018 by LABILLBACKER

[oldmanfan]

Just now, LABILLBACKER said:

Other than a semi serviceable Dawkins,  the rest of this OL is terrible. Other than a promising Foster,  the rest of these receivers are awful. It's fantastic to see we have a much more athletic & mobile qb than anyone dreamed of. But the only chance he gas to be a franchise qb will depend on improving these 2 areas. And I'm not even factoring in a security blanket TE. That will have to come later.

I think the O line is a major FA target.  They know they need to protect Allen more.

[Buffalo03]

33 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

In what world is Zay a good receiver? 

 

I understand the OPs point, but these are guys our front office and HC chose. 

 

So all these "practice squad" players are guys our decision makers thought were good enough to start. 

Lmao.

 

They wanted what they have. I'll give em credit for Allen to this point. Outside of that, their offensive decisions have been mostly  awful.

I don't think it's what they intend to want permanently. Anything done these first two years under them is temporary and was always part of a rebuild process. The defnese is mostly set, we have $91 million in cap space and next year is year 3 of this regime. Next season will be put up or the start of put up or shut up

[buffalobloodfloridahome]

I think Teller and Dawkins will be the only ones that remain the same next year on the Oline. At least i hope. 

[Augie]

1 hour ago, CowboyBill said:

 If you could only upgrade one group, would it be better to upgrade O-line or receivers? I would say O-line because Allen can work with the receivers. If O-line could protect long enough for routes to develop or open holes for backs, that would go a long ways. Allen is going to make everyone around him better. I really think he works best with fast receivers but they need at least a year with Allen to adjust to the velocity of his throws. 

 

 

I completely agree. I pray we have our nQB of the future, and after that you build both lines. Shiny toys are great, but the game is won and lost in the trenches. 

11 minutes ago, buffalobloodfloridahome said:

I think Teller and Dawkins will be the only ones that remain the same next year on the Oline. At least i hope. 

 

Yep. Among possible starters, at least. 

Edited December 19, 2018 by Augie

[C.Biscuit97]

Let me preface this by saying I don’t question Daboll’s football knowledge.  I’m sure he is a very smart guy and I respect any local, despite his terrible high school, getting so far in his profession.  But man, talk about excuse making. 

 

1 - Bama’a offense was better before and after he was there.

 

2 - his nfl resume is terrible minus NE

 

3 - do people not think the OC on a team with a defensive head coach doesn’t have a big say in personnel?  Instead of picking 2 undersized, not special slot receivers, he could have picked St Brown of ND who is getting time with the packers?

 

hes not going to get fires because SM would look awful.  But sorry for expecting more than 2 tds a game.  But all I heard all offseason was anyone would be better than Dennison.  Well guess what?  Our offense is worse.

[CowboyBill]

4 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

 

I completely agree. I pray we have our nQB of the future, and after that you build both lines. Shiny toys are great, but the game is won and lost in the trenches. 

I think most good O-linemen are team/family oriented and want to work for a team that will treat them like family. That is the culture they are building in Buffalo. Look at the way everyone talks on the team. It is all encouraging and you feel like they would fight for the betterment of the team instead of personal stats. One or two FA linemen would do wonders for next year. A 9-7 or 10-6 team next year with continued improvement from Allen will really draw the shiny toys in. Throw in some quality draft picks and this rebuild will be over and sustained success will be the norm. 

[WideNine]

Just now, C.Biscuit97 said:

Let me preface this by saying I don’t question Daboll’s football knowledge.  I’m sure he is a very smart guy and I respect any local, despite his terrible high school, getting so far in his profession.  But man, talk about excuse making. 

 

1 - Bama’a offense was better before and after he was there.

 

2 - his nfl resume is terrible minus NE

 

3 - do people not think the OC on a team with a defensive head coach doesn’t have a big say in personnel?  Instead of picking 2 undersized, not special slot receivers, he could have picked St Brown of ND who is getting time with the packers?

 

hes not going to get fires because SM would look awful.  But sorry for expecting more than 2 tds a game.  But all I heard all offseason was anyone would be better than Dennison.  Well guess what?  Our offense is worse.

 

You are not wrong, and I will not disagree with you on the picks of Ray Ray and Proehl.

 

I am seriously hoping whoever creates their draft board and ranks WR prospects drops the pipe this year and does a much better job this time around. There is a lot of WR and TE talent coming out this year... and yes, I will join you with the pitchforks and torches if they pick another slot smurf that is projected by most to be an UFA.

[C.Biscuit97]

Just now, CowboyBill said:

I think most good O-linemen are team/family oriented and want to work for a team that will treat them like family. That is the culture they are building in Buffalo. Look at the way everyone talks on the team. It is all encouraging and you feel like they would fight for the betterment of the team instead of personal stats. One or two FA linemen would do wonders for next year. A 9-7 or 10-6 team next year with continued improvement from Allen will really draw the shiny toys in. Throw in some quality draft picks and this rebuild will be over and sustained success will be the norm. 

I think if you pay a player a ton of money, they will come here.  This culture thing is so overrated.  A guy isn’t going to come here for less money because SM took away the ping pong table.

[nedboy7]

I think the OP has proved what a bunch of dummies are running the show.

[CowboyBill]

1 minute ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

I think if you pay a player a ton of money, they will come here.  This culture thing is so overrated.  A guy isn’t going to come here for less money because SM took away the ping pong table.

But if a player has the choice between Jacksonville and Buffalo with the same amount of money being offered will chose the team with better culture. 

[C.Biscuit97]

1 minute ago, WideNine said:

 

You are not wrong, and I will not disagree with you on the picks of Ray Ray and Proehl.

 

I am seriously hoping whoever creates their draft board and ranks WR prospects drops the pipe this year and does a much better job this time around. There is a lot of WR and TE talent coming out this year... and yes, I will join you with the pitchforks and torches if they pick another slot smurf that is projected by most to be an UFA.

Their ability to scout receiver talent has been awful to be kind.  

 

Thats why I don’t get the pass they get.  Daboll might have as much say in offensive personnel as any OC in the league.  He thought Peterman was good enough and that we didn’t need a 3rd qb.  He helped cut Foster.  Again, and it’s nothign personal, but I can’t believe the pass he gets.  Is it because we are Bills fans and don’t deserve good football? 

 

I like wins but celebrating a 14-13 “comeback” win over a crap team will hopefully be something we can stop doing in the future. 

Just now, CowboyBill said:

But if a player has the choice between Jacksonville and Buffalo with the same amount of money being offered will chose the team with better culture. 

Money

winning

opportunity

location

knows a coach

 

 

 

 

 

 

“Culture”