dave mcbride Posted December 18, 2018 Posted December 18, 2018 22 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: Being so linkedin with "La Cosa Polianostra" gotta' help though. Meh - La Cosa Polianostra is basically the Tattaglias to Parcells/Belichick/Saban's Corleones.
The Senator Posted December 18, 2018 Posted December 18, 2018 2 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: Meh - La Cosa Polianostra is basically the Tattaglias to Parcells/Belichick/Saban's Corleones. Tattaglia was a pimp...he could never have outfought Santino. .
LABILLBACKER Posted December 18, 2018 Posted December 18, 2018 6 hours ago, WhyteDwarf said: Not that I think the guy is great, but the Bills need to hold on to an OC for more than one season at a time at some point right? If Daboll, Allen and this offense does improve next year, we will have to sweeten the pot to keep Brian around. The last thing Josh needs is losing continuity within this offense.
BADOLBILZ Posted December 18, 2018 Posted December 18, 2018 18 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: Meh - La Cosa Polianostra is basically the Tattaglias to Parcells/Belichick/Saban's Corleones. There would be humor in Daboll getting an NFL HC job so soon after watching Saban berating him on the sidelines like he was a ***** idiot just 12 months or so earlier.
The Senator Posted December 18, 2018 Posted December 18, 2018 (edited) Daboll can easily be replaced by Mike Leach. For that matter, so can McDermott. In fact, it would probably require both of their salaries to lure him from Wazzu. ? . Edited December 18, 2018 by The Senator
Augie Posted December 19, 2018 Posted December 19, 2018 (edited) 39 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: There would be humor in Daboll getting an NFL HC job so soon after watching Saban berating him on the sidelines like he was a ***** idiot just 12 months or so earlier. I love humor! Wasn’t it Daboll who wanted Tua as QB, and Saban finally relented during the National Championship game? Nick may owe him a thank you. Now don’t go off on that. Saban is the best college coach ever. None of us know what really went on behind the scenes there. I don’t see Daboll getting any serious consideration after this year, but I PRAY that he does next year. That ONLY happens is Allen looks great and we have an upper tier offense. . Edited December 19, 2018 by Augie
WideNine Posted December 19, 2018 Posted December 19, 2018 1 hour ago, C.Biscuit97 said: I think this point is very overrated. The Titans kept Mularkey for Mariota and he was horrible. The Bucs did the same thing for Winston and he regressed. Get the best coach. If I actually thought Josh was regressing I would agree. And I like Daboll so far in that he is creative...perhaps too creative at times, but I think he does put guys in a position where they could make a play more often than not. And those situations you mentioned are true for those situations. Josh isn't regressing, so I think it would not benefit him to have a change at OC.
BADOLBILZ Posted December 19, 2018 Posted December 19, 2018 (edited) 28 minutes ago, Augie said: I love humor! Wasn’t it Daboll who wanted Tua as QB, and Saban finally relented during the National Championship game? Nick may owe him a thank you. Now don’t go off on that. Saban is the best college coach ever. None of us know what really went on behind the scenes there. I don’t see Daboll getting any serious consideration after this year, but I PRAY that he does next year. That ONLY happens is Allen looks great and we have an upper tier offense. . If they lost that game I think Saban was going to personally escort Daboll back to NE.............he was definitely in a win or get fired situation IMO. Daboll is a very well trained, experienced coach........probably to the point of over-educated...........it would be right to wonder if he's just another Charlie Weis.........a product of the system unable to excel on his own. I don't think we've learned that here to this point.........but he's in the right situation.......out on his own with a low pedigree HC who let's him run his own show offensively. Edited December 19, 2018 by BADOLBILZ 4
Augie Posted December 19, 2018 Posted December 19, 2018 1 minute ago, BADOLBILZ said: If they lost that game I think Saban was going to personally escort Daboll back to NE.............he was definitely in a win or get fired situation IMO. Daboll is a very well trained, experienced coach........probably to the point of over-educated...........it would be right to wonder if he's just another Charlie Weis.........a product of the system unable to excel on his own. I don't think we've learned that here but he's in the right situation.......out on his own with a low pedigree HC who let's him run his own show offensively. Some guys are just a better #2. Look at Wade. It’s all good if you find your fit in the world. 1
Fr. Jerk Posted December 19, 2018 Posted December 19, 2018 (edited) I think its in his near future. He talks like a HC and clearly has the Andy Reid diet going well for him, ya dig? Edited December 19, 2018 by The Jerk
BillsSB2020 Posted December 19, 2018 Posted December 19, 2018 4 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said: Yes he will, his name already floated around a couple openings. Don't know he will get it, but I think he will be a candidate this year. And if he does stay here this year, I think he will be a red hot candidate next year as I really do believe Beane will find us some good pieces to put around Josh in FA and Draft and that we WILL WIN the division next year. I fully expect a breakout year for Allen next year, this kid has shown significant growth in short time periods now multiple times. Giving him better tools around him, a year of experience, and a full offseason as the unquestioned starter makes me confident that he will be a hot story next year. Like I stated before, won't that essentially be a good problem as it will mean the offense really took a step forward? If Allen is the real deal, we'll be able to find somebody to work with him. Certainly nothing to worry about IMO.
billsfan89 Posted December 19, 2018 Posted December 19, 2018 2 hours ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...regardless who is doing the play calling be it Frazier, McDermott or by committee, does it seems like we have a lethargic, NON-aggressive defense game plan even when the opponent is a ripe candidate for aggressive play calling?....just askin'....... I would have to watch the games again, off the top of my head I would say that the defense floats between mid levels of aggression and low levels of aggression. The defense is at its best when it is fast and attacking but often times the defense will go into a more conservative method of play. I hope that as McD learns to utilize the depth of the D-line and the speed of the linebackers and secondary to be more aggressive in general. I do think the defense is well constructed both from a talent perspective and from a scheme perspective. Its built for the modern NFL (deep rotating D-line, fast linebackers to take away the short passing and screen game, and a good secondary overall) but like any tool its only as good as you wield it. I think the coaching staff needs to adjust the way it utilize the defense. 1
TigerJ Posted December 19, 2018 Posted December 19, 2018 I would be surprised if he gets consideration this year. I would think teams would want a guy who has demonstrated a little more success in their present position than has Daboll.
BillsFan692 Posted December 19, 2018 Posted December 19, 2018 Hoping not, I'd like some continuity for Allen and the Offense heading into season #2
B-Man Posted December 19, 2018 Posted December 19, 2018 If the Hoodie unexpectedly retired, I think N.E. might be interested. .
Mr. WEO Posted December 19, 2018 Posted December 19, 2018 May we first consult the responses to the other thread on this very topic....and then get back to the OP?
Nihilarian Posted December 19, 2018 Posted December 19, 2018 (edited) 6 hours ago, Ittakestime said: Only in Buffalo do people think the coordinator of the 31st offense is a HC candidate. This! The Bills are currently 31 in offense, 32nd in TD passes. I think Bills fans must equate their love for the new franchise QB to the offensive coordinator doing a great job. Nothing could be further from the truth as most fans seem to have a short memory. The first half of the season was mired by teams blowing out the Bills by the Ravens, Packers, Colts, Patriots and Bears. This, with a not bad Buffalo defense too. The QB play in those games was also pretty bad as the team had almost no run game to support those rookie QBs and the OC basically forced those rookies to carry the entire offense with mid to deep passing plays. Watching this was like watching Rex Ryan ignoring the talent on the roster while wanting to run his scheme despite the players. Ryan ran his crappy 3-4 scheme while asking the not very good Bills linebackers to make plays while the superstars on the D line were asked to drop into pass coverage or take on 300+ O linemen...rather then rush the passer. Daboll only seemed to find the run game when McCoy was out injured or when the team wasn't behind in points. Then when you look at the player stats you see that Kelvin Benjamin, Zay Jones were the primary receivers and yet those two were the worst at catching passes. KB with 62 targets, 37.1 catch percentage. Jones with 82 targets, 53.6 catch percentage. Meanwhile, Daboll basically ignoring the teams best pass receiver from the previous season in LeSean McCoy who also seems to also have the best catch percentage @ 72.5. Or throwing short passes to move the chains and instead called quite a few mid to deep pass plays. Now that wouldn't normally bother me if the team had a better then average offensive line or experienced veteran QBs behind center to call the proper protections at the line, read the defensive pre snap coverages. They didn't! If Daboll had been calling games from the start of the season like he did in this last game against Detroit the team might have a better record then 5-9. The Bills started out running the ball and finished the game 37 attempts for 117 yards, 1 TD and while no Bills RB dominated the game. Working the run game like they did managed to make the Lions think stop the run, which opened up the passing game and have some time for Allen to throw. All that said, I equate Daboll to Mike Martz with his mid to deep passing scheme. This scheme could be good enough to have a greatest show on snow at some point...provided the FO gets a stud WR like *DeAndre Hopkins who plays angry and catches everything thrown his way! AND they build a quality offensive line to equal that great St Louis line that protected Kurt Warner. Also, provided Allen doesn't get killed between now and then. Edited December 19, 2018 by Nihilarian
Putin Posted December 19, 2018 Posted December 19, 2018 11 hours ago, BabyBills said: As the season has gone on and as speed has been introduced, I've gained conviction in Daboll's ability to build an offense around Allen's strengths. In a world where most teams are looking for QB whisperers, do we need to worry about Daboll being a HC candidate this off-season? There will likely be a number of vacancies and I'm hopeful that a long list of attractive HC candidates can be built so that we can have Daboll for at least another year. I would just hate to lose momentum by forcing Allen to learn a new offense. He’s an OC of an offense that is ranked 31st in the league , I say yes ( like it or not ) we will definitely going to lose him
iinii Posted December 19, 2018 Posted December 19, 2018 1 hour ago, B-Man said: If the Hoodie unexpectedly retired, I think N.E. might be interested. . I don’t
Hapless Bills Fan Posted December 19, 2018 Posted December 19, 2018 11 hours ago, BabyBills said: As the season has gone on and as speed has been introduced, I've gained conviction in Daboll's ability to build an offense around Allen's strengths. In a world where most teams are looking for QB whisperers, do we need to worry about Daboll being a HC candidate this off-season? There will likely be a number of vacancies and I'm hopeful that a long list of attractive HC candidates can be built so that we can have Daboll for at least another year. I would just hate to lose momentum by forcing Allen to learn a new offense. I don't think Daboll should be a head coaching candidate, but then I didn't think Pettine should have been either, right up until the Browns went and hired him. 11 minutes ago, iinii said: I don’t Agreed, NE wants McDaniels. Heh. Heh.
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