Josh Allen’s Adjusted Completion Percentage = 72.7%

[Magox]

29 minutes ago, Mat68 said:

Its wasnt I deal.  You do have to take into account context.  Full speed running straight, stopping and throwing to the right corner of the endzone from the far side numbers about 40 yards in the air without feet or shoulders square is a 12 on a scale of 1 to 10 difficulty.  Allen is one of 3 players in the sport who could pull that off.  

Not 40, 60.

 

It was from the 40 yard line but across the field

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, WhyteDwarf said:

Oh, a pop singer, yeah, no wonder why.  I don't keep up on those...

 

Yeah, I watch every SB, but never watch the halftime show.

 

Nah, I know what Gif's are, I just didn't know what either of them had to do with football.

 

To be fair I watch every Superbowl and watched that Half Time show and I had no idea who the Gifs were of either. Pop music sucks.

[WhyteDwarf]

1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

 

To be fair I watch every Superbowl and watched that Half Time show and I had no idea who the Gifs were of either. Pop music sucks.

 

The only thing I can remember about a half-time show is when that one dude flipped open Janet Jackson's top, and not because I was watching, but because it was all over the news.

[Mat68]

12 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I think that is unfair to Fitz. Fitz didn't do it consistently but without much talent around him (especially at receiver) he took the team on his back and Fitzmagic'd us some wins. Obviously I think Allen has potential to do it better and consistently.... but Fitz played with fire, took the team on his back and led us down the field to win games too and he was as competitive as hell.

 

 

Fitz had a strong running game.  Imo Fred Ex was just as big if not a bigger contributor to those offenses success.  Allen doesnt have that.  McCoy is a shell of himself. 

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, Mat68 said:

Fitz had a strong running game.  Imo Fred Ex was just as big if not a bigger contributor to those offenses success.  Allen doesnt have that.  McCoy is a shell of himself. 

 

Fitz did have a strong running game. But he still put that team on his shoulders and drove them down the field to wins on more than one occasion and he was always super competitive. Of course Allen is more naturally talented and hopefully has a much better career and Fitz was as likely to throw a heartbreaking INT as that final second TD but he was a competitor and he did carry the team late in games on more than one occasion.

[D521646]

I dunno, I love what I'm seeing from this kid, and been around long enough to know we've never had a QB quite like him, except maybe Flutie, but he was an accomplished vet when we got him.  He passes the eye test, something NP did not do, EJ, Orton, heck everyone sans Barkley (Barkley looked good and I hope we retain him, seems like he fits here).  He's like a sponge right now, absorbing every nuance the NFL has to offer in his rookie year.  Next year the "newness" of it all will have faded and he will be even more laser focused on learning the trade.  I would also like to point out that of the 5 QB's taken, I think an average media assessment of them have Baker first, then Allen/Jackson, Darnold, Rosen.  However, outside of Baker, who actually does have talent around him, does Baker raise their play level?  Serious question.  I KNOW that Allen has raised the play level of the players he's worked with, that is a fact, so, part of a quality QB, rook or vet is whether they can raise the overall level of play.

 

I think, the answer is, yes!

 

 

Tim-

[BillsSB2020]

13 hours ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

All these metrics are cool for some people. I think people that don’t actually watch the games but want to just figure out who is good by reading some ***** stats love this stuff. That’s what baseball mostly is now. A bunch of guys who have never held a bat, telling you that a strike out is the same as a ground ball out. Even though a ball in play moves a runner and puts pressure on a fielder to field and make throw. If you watch the games, you know who is good. It’s really not as complicated as people make it. Analytics are something that can help but people are going way overboard with it. Allen has been pretty good. He needs to work on ball placement but he’s young. It’s going in the right direction.

A ground ball is worse than a strikeout if there's a force play to be made, but I digress.

 

Nothing wrong with watching games AND analyzing data.

[Mat68]

Just now, GunnerBill said:

 

Fitz did have a strong running game. But he still put that team on his shoulders and drove them down the field to wins on more than one occasion and he was always super competitive. Of course Allen is more naturally talented and hopefully has a much better career and Fitz was as likely to throw a heartbreaking INT as that final second TD but he was a competitor and he did carry the team late in games on more than one occasion.

Besides the end of game hysterics, what Allen is doing with a whole lot of nothing on offense is mostly going unnoticed.   That is what I mean by putting the offense on his back.  Not a quarter, not a drive, the entire game Allen has been the entire offense the last 4 weeks.  Buffalo is 2-2 two plays away from being 4-0 in those games.  No stat or metric will explain that.  Increase the talent around him and look out.  

[BillsSB2020]

34 minutes ago, WhyteDwarf said:

 

The only thing I can remember about a half-time show is when that one dude flipped open Janet Jackson's top, and not because I was watching, but because it was all over the news.

That one dude being Justin Timberlake, one of, if not the biggest stars of this generation.

 

I'm not trying to pile on here, but your lack of cultural awareness is pretty astonishing. Admirable in an odd way.

[WhyteDwarf]

Just now, BillsSB2020 said:

That one dude being Justin Timberlake, one of, if not the biggest stars of this generation.

 

I'm not trying to pile on here, but your lack of cultural awareness is pretty astonishing. Admirable in an odd way.

 

I recognize him now that you say his name. He was in a movie I liked called "In Time".  However, normally I try not to care too much about celebrities.

[teef]

3 minutes ago, BillsSB2020 said:

That one dude being Justin Timberlake, one of, if not the biggest stars of this generation.

 

I'm not trying to pile on here, but your lack of cultural awareness is pretty astonishing. Admirable in an odd way.

I think people play that nonsense up. I can’t stand pop music, I never watch the Super Bowl halftime show, and I know exactly who Justin Timberlake and Katy Perry are. You’d have to be pretty unaware not to be. 

1 minute ago, WhyteDwarf said:

 

I recognize him now that you say his name. He was in a movie I liked called "In Time".  However, normally I try not to care too much about celebrities.

See. He’s playing it up. 

[JoshAllenHasBigHands]

Just now, teef said:

I think people play that nonsense up. I can’t stand pop music, I never watch the Super Bowl halftime show, and I know exactly who Justin Timberlake and Katy Perry are. You’d have to be pretty unaware not to be. 

 

Whenever I open a thread that is several pages long I go straight to the end to see where the conversation is at.  

 

I am left speechless...

[teef]

1 minute ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

 

Whenever I open a thread that is several pages long I go straight to the end to see where the conversation is at.  

 

I am left speechless...

That’s actually a great strategy. 

[Kelly the Dog]

There was a stat I saw yesterday that seemed to say in passes over ten yards in the air this season, Allen has the second highest completion percentage in the league. That is a good indication of accuracy, too.

[JoshAllenHasBigHands]

2 minutes ago, teef said:

That’s actually a great strategy. 

 

Its a quick way of figuring out if the conversation is one I want to be a part of. 

 

I'm a strong Katy Perry advocate.  I'm all in on whatever is happening here. 

[Vicarious_Fan16]

I've been a lurker for a little bit and signed up to give my few thoughts on Allen. I'm far from a expert so take my post with more then a grain of salt. 

 

Allen seems to be making improvements but I think his completion % being low has really been hurt by the WR's not getting much separation on a ton of plays, Foster has been a great assist of late but other then him Allen hasn't had much to work with(looking at you Mr. I cant take a step forward Charles Clay). If we can find another WR and get a O-line that isn't terrible I think we will all be happy :)

[Kelly the Dog]

As soon as we get six new OL, three new WR and couple TEs, watch out!!

 

Yes, he has been playing with crap this season, it's the biggest factor.

[thebandit27]

9 minutes ago, Vicarious_Fan16 said:

I've been a lurker for a little bit and signed up to give my few thoughts on Allen. I'm far from a expert so take my post with more then a grain of salt. 

 

Allen seems to be making improvements but I think his completion % being low has really been hurt by the WR's not getting much separation on a ton of plays, Foster has been a great assist of late but other then him Allen hasn't had much to work with(looking at you Mr. I cant take a step forward Charles Clay). If we can find another WR and get a O-line that isn't terrible I think we will all be happy

 

Welcome to the board, and thanks for sharing your thoughts...

 

...now go get your shine box!

  

[Bing Bong]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I think that is unfair to Fitz. Fitz didn't do it consistently but without much talent around him (especially at receiver) he took the team on his back and Fitzmagic'd us some wins. Obviously I think Allen has potential to do it better and consistently.... but Fitz played with fire, took the team on his back and led us down the field to win games too and he was as competitive as hell.

 

 

Fitz played with some **** offense. Overachieved immensely (of course that's Fitz for you, he always does when he shouldn't be starting)

 

I'd argue Tyrod had a worse offense last year.. not that he elevated anybody. But he had hot garbage. He was playing with all the WRs we cut this year. A younger much worse Zay. Basically just had Cogs and a better Shady going for him. And a better Clay..  cool. that's probably the worst skill position players I can remember. Even over Fitz's group given Stevie and Marshawn  and Fredex.

 

Got annoyed hearing how he was on a downward spiral. Bruh our offense was on a downward spiral and not being replenished for 4 straight years. Took McDermott and Beane long enough to shoot for Foster's and McKenzie's after trotting out Matthews, Zay, Kelvin, Holmes.. Yuck!

 

I'd give Tyrod and JA 1a and 1b worst offenses to work with in the past 2 decades.

Edited December 18, 2018 by BarkleyForGOATBackupPT5P

[C.Biscuit97]

I didn’t go through this whole thread but does anyone have the list for all qbs in this category?

 

also, as a former receiver, if the ball hits your hands, you’re so supposed to catch it.  However, some qbs throw more catchable passes than others.  You don’t need to throw a fastball every time.  Great QBs have the ability to throw the fastball and touch passes.