Buffalo picked the right Josh

[BillsFan130]

4 minutes ago, JoPar_v2 said:

 

I can’t with good conscience call a hall of fame player like larry fitzgerald “awful” but yes, he’s a marginal guy at this point. Still better than what Allen has? Sure, but not by that much. And I like Kirk as well but like Gunner said he drops the ball A LOT. Again, similar to our situation. Which was my point. 

Fair enough. I’m nitpicking with your post. All

im saying is I still think FItz is still descent. I don’t disagree with what else you said

[GunnerBill]

2 minutes ago, JoPar_v2 said:

 

Allen does this a lot and I love it. I will sacrifice stupid stats like completion % if we develop a vertical passing game that takes advantage of the kid’s arm.

 

I think they need to be a little careful with it. They should absolutely be calling 5 or 6 deep shots a game. But at one point in the 3rd today they got carried away with it and it was basically every other play. We still need to be effficient. The first 10 or 12 passes Josh was playing the intermediate passing game and was on point. That is ultimately what wins sustainably in the NFL and then you sprinkle your deep shots in to take advantage of his arm. 

[RaoulDuke79]

Honestly, I think every rookie QB is right where they should be. If all goes well this looks like one of the best QB classes in quite some time. The next 15 years should be fun if all of them can stay healthy.

[zow2]

I figured Allen was wildly inaccurate based on scouting and would miss dudes by 10 yards, but he’s been solid. Even several of his misses are fingertips and *could* be caught.

 

my only concern right now is that every week he settles into 50% completions.  That has to get better next year 

[Doc Brown]

I've watched more Cardinals games than usual and Rosen has shown some flashes of his pre draft stock with flawless footwork, stepping into the pocket when it's there, manipulating the defense, and very accurate when not rushed.  The problem is the o-line is so bad and their WR's have trouble getting separation.  Fitz is his best receiver but he's not as good as he once was.  Kirk has been disappointing.  Their pass protection is at least as bad as ours and Rosen isn't a scrambler like Josh is.  It's just too early to tell.

[blacklabel]

I admit, on draft night my initial reaction was, "Oh no, they took the wrong Josh!" But I have since seen the error of my ways and am all in on this kid. 

 

Had they taken Rosen, I guarantee the dude woulda been sidelined with a season ending injury by week four given this OL. Rosen doesn't have the mobility Allen has in the slightest. It's scary how fast the dude is, he can get that 6'5", 240 lb. frame truckin' when he wants to. 

 

Yeah, Allen's numbers don't look super but he hasn't gotten a lot of help. I saw at least five dropped balls today. Was the ball placement perfect? No, but these were passes that hit these guys in the hands and they dropped it. I'd love to know Allen's adjusted completion rate where they take away drops and throwaways. 

 

Allen just has that stuff that tells you, "He's gonna make a play." Love watching this team grow right now but McBeane has a lot of work to do in the off-season to help the kid out. 

Edited December 16, 2018 by blacklabel

[JoPar_v2]

2 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

I've watched more Cardinals games than usual and Rosen has shown some flashes of his pre draft stock with flawless footwork, stepping into the pocket when it's there, manipulating the defense, and very accurate when not rushed.  The problem is the o-line is so bad and their WR's have trouble getting separation.  Fitz is his best receiver but he's not as good as he once was.  Kirk has been disappointing.  Their pass protection is at least as bad as ours and Rosen isn't a scrambler like Josh is.  It's just too early to tell.

 

^this is so measured and so on-point I can’t ? it enough.

[Rico]

I wanted Josh Rosen bad on the Bills going into the draft. Once Allen was picked, I of course deferred to the process, and I'm glad I did.

[GunnerBill]

3 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

I've watched more Cardinals games than usual and Rosen has shown some flashes of his pre draft stock with flawless footwork, stepping into the pocket when it's there, manipulating the defense, and very accurate when not rushed.  The problem is the o-line is so bad and their WR's have trouble getting separation.  Fitz is his best receiver but he's not as good as he once was.  Kirk has been disappointing.  Their pass protection is at least as bad as ours and Rosen isn't a scrambler like Josh is.  It's just too early to tell.

 

I have watched every single Cardinals game and not just the offensive plays but the whole games to get the context. You are absolutely 100% right. He has made some awful mistakes and he is never going to be as able to make up for the supporting cast as Josh Allen because he doesn't have that mobility. But he has shown some real flashes in there too. They need to put talent around him and they desperately need better coaching. 

[34-78-83]

I liked Rosen better too at the time and was wrong. Allen is an amazing prospect who could be HOF level and can make plays out of nothing. Rosen is a smart, efficient passer who might be able to succeed with a very good supporting cast if he's lucky.

[Bill_with_it]

16 minutes ago, Rico said:

I wanted Josh Rosen bad on the Bills going into the draft. Once Allen was picked, I of course deferred to the process, and I'm glad I did.

The process is much better than the dufus which was the whaley era montra.

[CincyBillsFan]

30 minutes ago, zow2 said:

I figured Allen was wildly inaccurate based on scouting and would miss dudes by 10 yards, but he’s been solid. Even several of his misses are fingertips and *could* be caught.

 

my only concern right now is that every week he settles into 50% completions.  That has to get better next year 

 

It will with improved WR & TE play. 

[YoloinOhio]

I have watched very little Right Josh games because I could not care less about Arizona. Only game I saw was on TNF and he looked like Peterman. I’m sure he’ll improve. I’m more surprised he lasted this long without getting injured. That was the big knock, no?

[HappyDays]

1 hour ago, Trogdor said:

Speaking of hills to die on, do you ever add anything of substance or just attack other people's opinions? Anyone being objective would say Allen looks good, but that the Cardinals are the biggest mess in football. It's amazing that any negative Allen has is his supporting cast but with Rosen It's all his fault. You can really like Allen's progress and dislike the comparison.

 

Rosen was supposed to be the pro-ready QB. I just find it ironic he is performing the worst out of all the rookies and more excuses are made for him than anyone. The pre-draft narrative with Rosen was that he would step right in and produce, and the only worry was that he had already reached his ceiling. Turns out he has a ton of work to do and maybe being a statue in the pocket doesn't translate in the NFL.

Edited December 16, 2018 by HappyDays

[The Frankish Reich]

1 hour ago, TigerJ said:

Do we really need a new thread saying the same thing after every Bills win?  And I like Josh Allen.

We also need a pro-Sam Darnold thread every time he does something good. Or even reasonably o.k.

And an accompanying joke thread about how Sam Darnold caused a field goal to be missed, etc. 

[LABILLBACKER]

1 hour ago, Andy1 said:

JA averaged over 15 yds per completion today. That is huge! Probably tops in the league this week. 

And if Zay and Deonte come up with those "catchable" balls Josh has 300 yards. The problem is not Allen. It's our embarrassing wrs and zero TE's....

[Magox]

33 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

I have watched very little Right Josh games because I could not care less about Arizona. Only game I saw was on TNF and he looked like Peterman. I’m sure he’ll improve. I’m more surprised he lasted this long without getting injured. That was the big knock, no?

No, his big knock was that he was a douche.

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

If you put Josh Allen on the Steelers right now I have no doubt that he would be rookie of the year.

[Andrew Son]

2 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

I am happy with how Josh Allen looks and I was very pleased with him today. 

 

But Josh Rosen is on the biggest mess of a franchise in the NFL with very little talent and a coach a million miles out of his depth. And he has played well in parts. Way too early to write him off. 

For full disclosure, you basically had a meltdown when the bills took Allen over Rosen.

[GunnerBill]

4 minutes ago, SWATeam said:

For full disclosure, you basically had a meltdown when the bills took Allen over Rosen.

 

A meltdown? Hmmm. No. I would have picked Rosen. I have never hidden that. I didn't like Allen's chances, I am pleased he looks much better than I expected.