Warcodered Posted December 16, 2018 Posted December 16, 2018 Just now, WideNine said: Not too hard to find. They are the guys that are strangely silent every time he does something amazing under pressure, and who fall all over themselves posting at every poor decision or executed play. Kind of like roaches and Allen playing well is like turning on the light. 1
JoPar_v2 Posted December 16, 2018 Posted December 16, 2018 1 minute ago, Doc said: I can only assume you really wanted Rosen. I did too. I realized now that I was wrong. And when you find out how many drops Rosen's receivers have had, let me know the site so I can look them up for myself. I really wanted Mayfield. Rosen was my next pick but I was wary about it. No problem admitting Allen has surprised me with all the things he’s done this year. This thread isn’t necessary like I was saying. No one knows yet which one of these guys is going to turn out to be the better QB. 1
Doc Posted December 16, 2018 Posted December 16, 2018 1 minute ago, JoPar_v2 said: David Johnson and Kirk both credited with 4 drops a piece. Ricky Seals-Jones credited with 3. There’s 11 already from what I could find. Please forward on to @Doc Allen had 11 drops just the previous 3 weeks and another 4 (at least) today. Just now, GunnerBill said: I found them last week. I will dig them out. Thanks.
GunnerBill Posted December 16, 2018 Posted December 16, 2018 2 minutes ago, PolishPrince said: And Allen as of last week is most pressured QB in the league Allen looks good. I am not dying on an Allen hill at all. I am pleased he is who we have. I was the don't write Jared Goff off guy as well. I think it is too early to write off Rosen. Although if Arizona don't fire Wilkes they will suck next year too.
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted December 16, 2018 Posted December 16, 2018 2 minutes ago, Trogdor said: Speaking of hills to die on, do you ever add anything of substance or just attack other people's opinions? Anyone being objective would say Allen looks good, but that the Cardinals are the biggest mess in football. It's amazing that any negative Allen has is his supporting cast but with Rosen It's all his fault. You can really like Allen's progress and dislike the comparison. Well since you bring it up, I believe Rosen’s lack of mobility and arm strength is going to make him a long term liability. And you’re free to believe otherwise, but you’d be wrong. 2
BillsFanForever19 Posted December 16, 2018 Posted December 16, 2018 (edited) I wanted Josh Rosen. It was a hard pill to swallow. But that's what I did and i'm happy that Josh Allen has been the better "Josh" - thus far. As I sit here in a Josh Allen jersey. Edited December 16, 2018 by BillsFanForever19 5
Doc Posted December 16, 2018 Posted December 16, 2018 1 minute ago, JoPar_v2 said: I really wanted Mayfield. Rosen was my next pick but I was wary about it. No problem admitting Allen has surprised me with all the things he’s done this year. This thread isn’t necessary like I was saying. No one knows yet which one of these guys is going to turn out to be the better QB. I wanted Mayfield as well, but he was never attainable and his offense is stacked.
Buffalo Bills Fan Posted December 16, 2018 Posted December 16, 2018 Just now, WideNine said: Not too hard to find. They are the guys that are strangely silent every time he does something amazing under pressure, and who fall all over themselves posting at every poor decision or executed play. I'll admit was not the big Josh Allen supporter at first. Now I am biggest one telling all my buddies he looks good just wait till next year with a supporting cast. Can't really blame people too much. Years after years poor QB play. I think Allen is going to be a good one.
JoPar_v2 Posted December 16, 2018 Posted December 16, 2018 Just now, Doc said: Allen had 11 drops just the previous 3 weeks and another 4 (at least) today. Thanks. That was me looking for about 2 minutes. Drop stats are ridiculously inconsistent. You say you saw 11 drops and the stat keepers will end up crediting only 5.
Seasons1992 Posted December 16, 2018 Posted December 16, 2018 20 minutes ago, RobbRiddick said: There was a point earlier in the season where I was worried about Allen as he didn't seem to be getting it at all. Since he came back from injury I've become more and more confident in him. Still has a way to go but I think with an extra off season of work, plus a revamped offense around him he could be ***** deadly next season! We will be quoting "The Injury" as his turning point. Sitting out, watching the crap factory of retreads come in, and then getting DA and hopefully Matt Barkley to help him understand what to do and what not to do........man it has made a difference. He really played well today despite not being able to run. Never got us into trouble with a pick (got lucky once). Dude seems to get it.
downunderbill Posted December 16, 2018 Posted December 16, 2018 (edited) 11 minutes ago, WideNine said: So predictable...so when is a QB definitively there... Canton? Smarter to gather some facts rather than coming out and declaring bust or pro bowl in a rookie season. Some went really hard on the wrong Josh thing, they have disappeared or changed their name. edit: I think both will be good in the years ahead. Edited December 16, 2018 by downunderbill
BillsFan130 Posted December 16, 2018 Posted December 16, 2018 15 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: I am happy with how Josh Allen looks and I was very pleased with him today. But Josh Rosen is on the biggest mess of a franchise in the NFL with very little talent and a coach a million miles out of his depth. And he has played well in parts. Way too early to write him off. Would you really say Rosen has a worse supporting cast then Allen though? DJ is much better than any of our backs. Hall of fame receiver in FItz. I know he’s lost a bit but he still is pretty good and brings a ton of veteran leadership. I am not sure of their o line situation. Im sure it’s bad but it can’t be worse than the Bills
GunnerBill Posted December 16, 2018 Posted December 16, 2018 4 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: Well since you bring it up, I believe Rosen’s lack of mobility and arm strength is going to make him a long term liability. And you’re free to believe otherwise, but you’d be wrong. Nah Joe. You will. 1
JoPar_v2 Posted December 16, 2018 Posted December 16, 2018 1 minute ago, downunderbill said: Smarter to gather some facts rather than coming out and declaring bust or pro bowl in a rookie season. Some went really hard on the wrong Josh thing, they have disappeared or changed their name. Isn’t the OP declaring something about the other Josh in his rookie season? On a terrible team similar to the Bills?
Maynard Posted December 16, 2018 Posted December 16, 2018 Remember Goff his first year? Way too early for any of this....
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted December 16, 2018 Posted December 16, 2018 2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Nah Joe. You will. Sure thing
GunnerBill Posted December 16, 2018 Posted December 16, 2018 Just now, BillsFan130 said: Would you really say Rosen has a worse supporting cast then Allen though? DJ is much better than any of our backs. Hall of fame receiver in FItz. I know he’s lost a bit but he still is pretty good and brings a ton of veteran leadership. I am not sure of their o line situation. Im sure it’s bad but it can’t be worse than the Bills Their OLine and ours are about a wash. They are both terrible. Larry Fitz is done, has really struggled this year. Kirk has played okay but struggled with drops. And the coaching has been absolutely atrocious. From Wilkes to McCoy to Leftwich. Just now, Maynard said: Remember Goff his first year? Way too early for any of this.... And I was "dying on that hill" too.... 9 minutes ago, Doc said: Allen had 11 drops just the previous 3 weeks and another 4 (at least) today. Thanks. https://scores.nbcsports.com/fb/leaders.asp?type=Receiving&range=NFL&rank=232 They are NBC stats... no idea if they are the same ones recorded by other outlets because those numbers look low all round to me. 1
BillsFan130 Posted December 16, 2018 Posted December 16, 2018 Just now, GunnerBill said: Their OLine and ours are about a wash. They are both terrible. Larry Fitz is done, has really struggled this year. Kirk has played okay but struggled with drops. And the coaching has been absolutely atrocious. From Wilkes to McCoy to Leftwich. I agree with almost everything you said but I still think FItz is descent. He still makes big plays at big times. But even still. With all that being said and with DJ on their team, I would say Arizona has a slightly better supporting cast than Allen IMO
JoPar_v2 Posted December 16, 2018 Posted December 16, 2018 2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Their OLine and ours are about a wash. They are both terrible. Larry Fitz is done, has really struggled this year. Kirk has played okay but struggled with drops. And the coaching has been absolutely atrocious. From Wilkes to McCoy to Leftwich. And I was "dying on that hill" too.... I’d argue Arizona’s offensive line is one of the few in the league worse than ours. They were in panic mode in the preseason. Yes they have DJ but what is he going to do behind a paper thin line? Everything you said about Fitz and Kirk is 100% correct.
Warcodered Posted December 16, 2018 Posted December 16, 2018 Just now, JoPar_v2 said: I’d argue Arizona’s offensive line is one of the few in the league worse than ours. They were in panic mode in the preseason. Yes they have DJ but what is he going to do behind a paper thin line? Everything you said about Fitz and Kirk is 100% correct. Yeah because nobody here was panicking after that 3rd preseason game.
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