Barnwell: Progress Report on 2018 1st Round QBs

[mabden]

Based on QBRs alone, Allen is the best of the bunch, but you wouldn't know that based on the word salad this guy barfed up.   Did not have time to read much beyond the 3rd paragraph and skimmed the rest.  Even that was a waste of time.

[hondo in seattle]

Nobody knows if Allen is going to be a franchise QB.

 

On the one hand, anyone who says he's so bad that it's just not going to happen is either delusional or just not watching.   Allen has proven his ability to make big time NFL throws.  The question is: can he do it consistently?  And that depends on his biomechanics, ability to read defenses & find receivers, the talent around him, and all that.   NFL QBs sometimes get better and sometimes they don't.  There's no foolproof way of prognosticating this.  

 

On the other hand, those who think it's certain that Allen will be franchise QB are also delusional.  There's just no guarantee.  

 

In the end, one camp will be proven right and we'll hear the gloating told-you-so's.   But any certainty at either end of the spectrum at this point is misguided.  

 

As I fan I see positive signs.  I see why Beane drafted the kid and hope for the best.  I don't care at all what Barnwell thinks or writes.  

 

 

[C.Biscuit97]

1 minute ago, hondo in seattle said:

Nobody knows if Allen is going to be a franchise QB.

 

On the one hand, anyone who says he's so bad that it's just not going to happen is either delusional or just not watching.   Allen has proven his ability to make big time NFL throws.  The question is: can he do it consistently?  And that depends on his biomechanics, ability to read defenses & find receivers, the talent around him, and all that.   NFL QBs sometimes get better and sometimes they don't.  There's no foolproof way of prognosticating this.  

 

On the other hand, those who think it's certain that Allen will be franchise QB are also delusional.  There's just no guarantee.  

 

In the end, one camp will be proven right and we'll hear the gloating told-you-so's.   But any certainty at either end of the spectrum at this point is misguided.  

 

As I fan I see positive signs.  I see why Beane drafted the kid and hope for the best.  I don't care at all what Barnwell thinks or writes.  

 

 

I agree with you but did you honestly read the article?

[Dr. Who]

2 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

This is hilarious and it’s why our country is so divided.  If someone doesn’t have the opinion I have, they are wrong!!!!

 

there is plenty of stuff he writes I don’t agree with but he makes good uses of analytics and always has decent reasoning for his points.  But to think everyone who doesn’t say Allen or the Bills are awesome is out to get us makes us look a bit crazy.  Allen has some work to do.  It’s also funny that you ignore him posting clips of Allen embarrassing Kiko or stating that he doesn’t have good receivers.  Stop being so sensitive.

I'm fine with dialectic and rational opposition to my views. Biased opinion with bad arguments and special pleading is going to be deservedly repudiated. Since you are inclined to the negative assessment of Allen, you're apparently not bothered by it.

[RalphWilson'sNewWar]

As a joke I was going to start to call Allen...Taller Tyrod.

 

results still don’t seem to feel much different.   Under 300 yard thrower with running numbers.  Only 1-2 Tds a game.  Offense still at the bottom of the league in offense and scoring.  1-2 deep balls a game and those are usually incomplete.

 

thats Taylor as a veteran and Allen as a rookie.  Which I guess is a positive as Allen as rookie is producing like Taylor as a vet.

 

excpet for completion percentage which Taylor has him on.

[DCOrange]

9 minutes ago, Ramza86 said:

Lol.....you can tell this guy hasnt seen one Bills game. 

 

The article literally includes clips that he took while watching the Bills games.

[Royale with Cheese]

8 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

OMG!!! He didn’t say our qb with a 63 QB rating and a 5 td to 9 int ratio is awesome!!! What a loser!!!

 

if you are an outsider looking at the Bills, it looks like a bad move for the Bills.  They moved on from a limited but safe qb who helped them get to the playoffs for one who is a good runner and a struggling passer.  Obviously as Bills fans, we know there were issues with Tyrod.  But y’all are so sensitive.  Allen is exciting, seems to have a great attitude, and has every physical tool you want.  He also is having a worse rookie season than EJ.  Obviously, he is getting more time.  But if Allen was on another team, we probably won’t think he was that good either. 

 

They moved on from Tyrod because he was a struggling passer and it continued every year even into Cleveland.  The excuse for Taylor is that he had a terrible supporting cast last year....this is even a worse cast with Allen.  

 

Sam Darnold is also having a worse year than EJ's rookie year.  Jared Goff also had a worse rookie season than EJ.  These are just based on box score scouting.

 

If you look at the improvement of Allen, he's ahead of EJ.  Compare Allen now to Allen week 2....there's growth.  EJ never grew and actually regressed as the season went on.

 

In this article, why is it okay to say that Darnold's struggles are attributed to his supporting cast but for Allen....it's because he's struggling?

 

C. Bisquit...do you believe that we are very talented on offense and Allen is the reason why it's not an overall very good unit?

[Ramza86]

2 minutes ago, DCOrange said:

 

The article literally includes clips that he took while watching the Bills games.

 

So that makes his article worse then doesnt it. 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

30 minutes ago, JoPar_v2 said:

Barnwell is not clickbait. He’s posted more meaningful NFL pieces in the last 3 years than Peter King has in the last 30. Keep homering it up tho makes you look smart.

 

That's so laughable on SO many levels. I can't even.

 

Edited December 13, 2018 by Joe in Winslow

[JoPar_v2]

4 hours ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

That's so laughable on SO many levels. I cant' even.

 

 

It’s the truth. The guy is one of the few insightful NFL writers still out there. Maybe sit down and read some of his stuff. Peter King has been a shill for the league for at least 10 years. Let me guess, you miss his coffee stories? Awww...

Edited December 13, 2018 by Hapless Bills Fan

[nedboy7]

The bias on here is just stupid. 

10 minutes ago, RalphWilson'sNewWar said:

As a joke I was going to start to call Allen...Taller Tyrod.

 

results still don’t seem to feel much different.   Under 300 yard thrower with running numbers.  Only 1-2 Tds a game.  Offense still at the bottom of the league in offense and scoring.  1-2 deep balls a game and those are usually incomplete.

 

thats Taylor as a veteran and Allen as a rookie.  Which I guess is a positive as Allen as rookie is producing like Taylor as a vet.

 

excpet for completion percentage which Taylor has him on.

 

Yes it’s almost identical. 

Except. The record of the team!  

 

[HomeskillitMoorman]

17 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said:

Nobody knows if Allen is going to be a franchise QB.

 

On the one hand, anyone who says he's so bad that it's just not going to happen is either delusional or just not watching.   Allen has proven his ability to make big time NFL throws.  The question is: can he do it consistently?  And that depends on his biomechanics, ability to read defenses & find receivers, the talent around him, and all that.   NFL QBs sometimes get better and sometimes they don't.  There's no foolproof way of prognosticating this.  

 

On the other hand, those who think it's certain that Allen will be franchise QB are also delusional.  There's just no guarantee.  

 

In the end, one camp will be proven right and we'll hear the gloating told-you-so's.   But any certainty at either end of the spectrum at this point is misguided.  

 

As I fan I see positive signs.  I see why Beane drafted the kid and hope for the best.  I don't care at all what Barnwell thinks or writes.  

 

 

 

 

This is probably closest to the truth. There's no question that the trash O-line and lack of legit weapons have hurt him and probably has gotten into his head a little bit in terms of him bailing out of the pocket early at times, and I do agree that while his abilities as a runner is an overall positive, he needs to be smarter about it and limit the abuse he takes. I actually think he's done a better job of that in the last couple of games. 

 

But I don't think it can be assumed that the issues will automatically be resolved with a better o-line and upgraded weapons either, I don't think we've seen enough to determine that. 

 

I'm optimistic about him too though. This is a playmaker's league and the dude is a playmaker. He's a way different QB than Luck so I'm not comparing their skill sets...but he reminds me of the way Luck at the beginning of his career was constantly looking to push the ball downfield, which I think he's getting more freedom to do again with Reich in now.  I loved it, and I love that Allen has that mentality so far. 

Edited December 13, 2018 by HomeskillitMoorman

[nedboy7]

4 hours ago, JoPar_v2 said:

 

It’s the truth. The guy is one of the few insightful NFL writers still out there. Maybe sit down and read some of his stuff. Peter King has been a shill for the league for at least 10 years. Let me guess, you miss his coffee stories? Awww...

 

Yes he is a good writer. The fanboys on this site can’t even consider a different opinion.  

[dave mcbride]

1 hour ago, blacklabel said:

Holy pile of garbage, Batman. Maybe I'm biased because I wouldn't mind seeing 10,000 birds take a dump on Barnwell but most of his words on Allen are crap. He basically blames everything on him while failing to acknowledge that the kid has carried the entire offense for the last three games. He also places Clay's drop on him. "Failed to hit a wide open Clay in the end zone." Writing that way is so misleading of what happened on the actual play. Most QB's don't even get the ball anywhere near Clay in the fashion that Allen did. Avoided pressure, running to his left and throws 40 yards down field to his right, sorry it can't be a pinpoint perfect pass, but it was in the ballpark and Clay knows he should've had it.

 

The other negative stuff he writes about is junk all rookie QBs face. 

I'll say it until I'm blue in the face, but that was a bad throw to Clay. Objectively so.

[dave mcbride]

26 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

OMG!!! He didn’t say our qb with a 63 QB rating and a 5 td to 9 int ratio is awesome!!! What a loser!!!

 

if you are an outsider looking at the Bills, it looks like a bad move for the Bills.  They moved on from a limited but safe qb who helped them get to the playoffs for one who is a good runner and a struggling passer.  Obviously as Bills fans, we know there were issues with Tyrod.  But y’all are so sensitive.  Allen is exciting, seems to have a great attitude, and has every physical tool you want.  He also is having a worse rookie season than EJ.  Obviously, he is getting more time.  But if Allen was on another team, we probably won’t think he was that good either. 

This. The blind homerism is strong here, my friend.

Edited December 13, 2018 by dave mcbride

[Teddy KGB]

1 hour ago, blacklabel said:

Holy pile of garbage, Batman. Maybe I'm biased because I wouldn't mind seeing 10,000 birds take a dump on Barnwell but most of his words on Allen are crap. He basically blames everything on him while failing to acknowledge that the kid has carried the entire offense for the last three games. He also places Clay's drop on him. "Failed to hit a wide open Clay in the end zone." Writing that way is so misleading of what happened on the actual play. Most QB's don't even get the ball anywhere near Clay in the fashion that Allen did. Avoided pressure, running to his left and throws 40 yards down field to his right, sorry it can't be a pinpoint perfect pass, but it was in the ballpark and Clay knows he should've had it.

 

The other negative stuff he writes about is junk all rookie QBs face. 

 

Barnwell is still in love with the Browns backup iirc

[dave mcbride]

22 minutes ago, Dr. Who said:

I'm fine with dialectic and rational opposition to my views. Biased opinion with bad arguments and special pleading is going to be deservedly repudiated. Since you are inclined to the negative assessment of Allen, you're apparently not bothered by it.

Why is it biased opinion and why are the arguments bad? Is Josh Allen better than what the performance output says he is so far? Don't get me wrong - I like him and think the sky is the limit. But he's simply not accurate enough at present (watch other good qbs and you'll see what I mean), and if he doesn't fix that, he's going to struggle to succeed. I can't believe people don't see this. Only Bills homer fans would zero in on Charles Clay alone for that throw-and-catch failure at the end of the Miami game. It was a straight-up inaccurate wounded duck rotating like a helicopter. 

Edited December 13, 2018 by dave mcbride

[Teddy KGB]

2 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

Why is it biased opinion and why are the arguments bad? Is Josh Allen better than what the performance output says he is so far? Don't get me wrong - I like him and think the sky is the limit. But he's simply not accurate enough at present (watch other good qbs and you'll see what I mean), and if he doesn't fix that, he's going to struggle to succeed. I can't believe people don't see this. Only Bills homer fans would zero in on Charles Clay alone for that throw-and-catch failure at the end of the Miami game. It was a straight-up inaccurate wounded duck rotating like a helicopter. 

 

That 92% of nfl tight ends catch or higher ? 

 

 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

2 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

Why is it biased opinion and why are the arguments bad? Is Josh Allen better than what the performance output says he is so far? Don't get me wrong - I like him and think the sky is the limit. But he's simply not accurate enough at present (watch other good qbs and you'll see what I mean), and if he doesn't fix that, he's going to struggle to succeed. I can't believe people don't see this. Only Bills homer fans would zero in on Charles Clay alone for that throw-and-catch failure at the end of the Miami game. It was a straight-up inaccurate wounded duck rotating like a helicopter. 

 

That traveled what, 40 yards in the air after being chased to the sideline and thrown off balance? Yeah. I'll continue to blame Charles Clay on that one.

 

[dave mcbride]

Just now, Teddy KGB said:

 

That 92% of nfl tight ends catch or higher ? 

 

 

I don't understand what you are saying or what the percentage refers to.