Tiberius Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 Quote “I’m not concerned, no,” Trump replied. “I think that the people would revolt if that happened.” https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-impeachment-exclusive/exclusive-trump-says-he-is-not-concerned-about-being-impeached-defends-payments-to-women-idUSKBN1OB01N The South threatened the same thing if Lincoln won. But revolt how? Terrorism? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 (edited) Impeaching a duly elected President on political grounds is literally one group of partisans denying the rest of the country a voice in the prescribed Constitutional political process, and is just cause for violence. IE. "It doesn't matter who wins elections. We will undo the outcome if we don't like it." I've long held the belief that socialists and fascists are more valuable stacked in piles than standing in rooms, but acknowledge their right to participate in government and society so long as they respect the fundamental natural rights of everyone. A blatant disregard of the right of self-determination, the second tier of natural rights stacked on top of only property rights, it just cause to start to create those piles. There is no merit to continuing to prop up the facade of a peaceful democratic process once one side has completely disregarded it. Edited December 13, 2018 by TakeYouToTasker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TH3 Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 8 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said: Impeaching a duly elected President on political grounds is literally one group of partisans denying the rest of the country a voice in the prescribed Constitutional political process, and is just cause for violence. IE. "It doesn't matter who wins elections. We will undo the outcome if we don't like it." I've long held the belief that socialists and fascists are more valuable stacked in piles than standing in rooms, but acknowledge their right to participate in government and society so long as they respect the fundamental natural rights of everyone. A blatant disregard of the right of self-determination, the second tier in natural rights stack ontop of only property rights, it just cause to start to create those piles. There is no merit to continuing to prop of the facade of a peaceful democratic process once on side has completely disregarded it. Did you smash out this word salad when Clinton was impeached on purely political grounds? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 26 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said: There is no merit to continuing to prop of the facade of a peaceful democratic process once on side has completely disregarded it. There is no merit to responding to someone incapable of understanding your simplest argument. Thats why this was ignored for 9 hours. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 48 minutes ago, TH3 said: Did you smash out this word salad when Clinton was impeached on purely political grounds? Hard to remember that far back, but wasn’t he impeached for lying under oath? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 46 minutes ago, B-Man said: There is no merit to responding to someone incapable of understanding your simplest argument. Thats why this was ignored for 9 hours. . The OP has a couple dressers' full of new underwear just in case his dream comes true because he will cream one pair after the other in ectasy that very day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 1 hour ago, TH3 said: Did you smash out this word salad when Clinton was impeached on purely political grounds? Word salad? I'll assume you're far to stupid to discern the clearly made argument, or you're simply ignorant of what "word salad" means, and are dumb enough to use words and phrases you don't understand. Either is entirely plausible, so I'm unsure. Bill Clinton was impeached because he perjured himself, and was disbarred through a unanimous decision rendered by the SCOTUS. That's not a political impeachment. That was the President commiting "high crimes and misdemeanors" while holding office. I'm open to the argument, in fact I'd happily make it, that special prosecutors, as currently authorize, including their use under the Clinton Presidency, are the antithesis of the American principals of jurisprudence, and should be immediately suspended and never used again until law or Amendment can provide for their usage in a way which respects Constitutional norms. Something tells me you'll disagree until President Trump's family suffers some Constitutional injustice, however. 1 hour ago, B-Man said: There is no merit to responding to someone incapable of understanding your simplest argument. Thats why this was ignored for 9 hours. . You'll note I don't respond to the poster. I do believe, however, that a strong argument needs to be made for the benefit of discourse in general, and for the benefit of the reader. I'm happy to make that argument when I find it important. I hope I've done so. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 16 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said: You'll note I don't respond to the poster. I do believe, however, that a strong argument needs to be made for the benefit of discourse in general, and for the benefit of the reader. I'm happy to make that argument when I find it important. I hope I've done so. Fair enough sir. . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 2 hours ago, TH3 said: Did you smash out this word salad when Clinton was impeached on purely political grounds? It wasn't purely political grounds. He lied under oath. It was complete *****, because he lied under oath to a question that never should have been asked because it had nothing to do with the purpose of the investigation, and was only asked because the investigation became an open-ended witch hunt...but it wasn't purely political. And if that sounds even remotely timely, then you should never ***** ask me again why I don't support the Mueller investigation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 7 hours ago, TakeYouToTasker said: Impeaching a duly elected President on political grounds is literally one group of partisans denying the rest of the country a voice in the prescribed Constitutional political process, and is just cause for violence. IE. "It doesn't matter who wins elections. We will undo the outcome if we don't like it." I've long held the belief that socialists and fascists are more valuable stacked in piles than standing in rooms, but acknowledge their right to participate in government and society so long as they respect the fundamental natural rights of everyone. A blatant disregard of the right of self-determination, the second tier of natural rights stacked on top of only property rights, it just cause to start to create those piles. There is no merit to continuing to prop up the facade of a peaceful democratic process once one side has completely disregarded it. That hasn't happened yet. I'd have to see exactly what they were impeaching him for and whether there was enough evidence for it to be warranted. If he committed a crime like Clinton did, then they would have grounds for impeachment. Clinton would've been criticized for saying there would be riots in the street if he was impeached before the Starr Report came out. Trump also deserves to be criticized. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Tiberius Posted December 13, 2018 Author Share Posted December 13, 2018 7 hours ago, DC Tom said: It wasn't purely political grounds. He lied under oath. It was complete *****, because he lied under oath to a question that never should have been asked because it had nothing to do with the purpose of the investigation, and was only asked because the investigation became an open-ended witch hunt...but it wasn't purely political. And if that sounds even remotely timely, then you should never ***** ask me again why I don't support the Mueller investigation. Funny thing is, I don't think Dems will impeach, even though Trump obviously broke the law to help him win the election in the hush money crime. They will just let the law take care of that. When Muellers shows how Trump coordinated a conspiracy with Russia to influence the election, then we will have the impeachment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 3 minutes ago, Tiberius said: When Muellers shows how Trump coordinated a conspiracy with Russia to influence the election, then we will have the impeachment. And when he doesn't what you will you say? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Dude Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 I’m down. I’ll go. I’ll do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TH3 Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 9 hours ago, TakeYouToTasker said: Bill Clinton was impeached because he perjured himself, and was disbarred through a unanimous decision rendered by the SCOTUS. I got to hand it to you knuckleheads....nobody sees things the way they want to like this crew.... Impeachment is solely a political process - nothing else - 100 percent political - you can look it up! The reasons for impeachment can be anything but the process is purely political... If HC were in office and managed the same deeds as DT....you would be asking for revolt if she wasn't impeached.... BTW - DT may have won the election - but he lost the vote - your revolt gonna be in the minority....good luck....should be fun! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPS Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 8 hours ago, DC Tom said: It wasn't purely political grounds. He lied under oath. It was complete *****, because he lied under oath to a question that never should have been asked because it had nothing to do with the purpose of the investigation, and was only asked because the investigation became an open-ended witch hunt...but it wasn't purely political. And if that sounds even remotely timely, then you should never ***** ask me again why I don't support the Mueller investigation. Which is why trump should never and will never testify, otherwise he will perjure himself about something completely unrelated to the investigation. If he did though, then the investigation would no longer be a political witch hunt, as he would be lying under oath and all here would agree.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted December 13, 2018 Author Share Posted December 13, 2018 1 hour ago, /dev/null said: And when he doesn't what you will you say? It's pretty obvious he was tied to Russia and worked with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warren Zevon Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 18 minutes ago, TPS said: Which is why trump should never and will never testify, otherwise he will perjure himself about something completely unrelated to the investigation. If he did though, then the investigation would no longer be a political witch hunt, as he would be lying under oath and all here would agree.... He has already submitted written "answers" to Mueller. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary M Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 20 hours ago, Tiberius said: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-impeachment-exclusive/exclusive-trump-says-he-is-not-concerned-about-being-impeached-defends-payments-to-women-idUSKBN1OB01N The South threatened the same thing if Lincoln won. But revolt how? Terrorism? And when impeachment fails will they try a Bolshevik revolt? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted December 13, 2018 Author Share Posted December 13, 2018 Just now, Gary M said: And when impeachment fails will they try a Bolshevik revolt? Heck no! The best argument against impeachment is leaving the damn fool in office as head of the Republican party. If you didn't notice last month, that seems to be working just fine for the Democrats. Heads we win, tails you lose. Republicans should be hoping for Trump to go away. He's killing the GOP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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