26CornerBlitz Posted December 18, 2018 Author Posted December 18, 2018 3. Tremaine Edmunds, LB, Buffalo Bills The Skinny: Edmunds is clearly talented and athletic, with flashes of nice play this season. Inconsistency mars his game however, and he has struggled to get runners on the ground 1v1. Missed tackles are a big concern moving forward, as is his ability to stack-and-shed blocks cleanly. Eventually, the team should get more in coverage from a guy with his traits. Outlook: Edmunds has gotten better as the season has gone on, and it’s important to remember he isn’t even 21 yet. Physically and mentally he has a lot of maturing to do, while he’s already ahead of the curve in his work ethic and personal conduct around the organization. I had an early second round grade on Edmunds and wasn’t quite as high on him as some others, but I do think the arrow is pointing up for his career in the NFL.
BADOLBILZ Posted December 18, 2018 Posted December 18, 2018 41 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: 3. Tremaine Edmunds, LB, Buffalo Bills The Skinny: Edmunds is clearly talented and athletic, with flashes of nice play this season. Inconsistency mars his game however, and he has struggled to get runners on the ground 1v1. Missed tackles are a big concern moving forward, as is his ability to stack-and-shed blocks cleanly. Eventually, the team should get more in coverage from a guy with his traits. Outlook: Edmunds has gotten better as the season has gone on, and it’s important to remember he isn’t even 21 yet. Physically and mentally he has a lot of maturing to do, while he’s already ahead of the curve in his work ethic and personal conduct around the organization. I had an early second round grade on Edmunds and wasn’t quite as high on him as some others, but I do think the arrow is pointing up for his career in the NFL. If they keep him at MLB next year they need to invest in safety depth in the event that Edmunds can't take a big step up wrt instinctive type MLB play. Poyer in particular will end up on IR if he has to keep making half of his tackles for him. On every snap he's one false step from making a play............add that step and he's a lock pro bowl player........without it he's JAG who looks like the best player on the team at the airport. 1
Coach Tuesday Posted December 18, 2018 Posted December 18, 2018 1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said: On every snap he's one false step from making a play............add that step and he's a lock pro bowl player........without it he's JAG who looks like the best player on the team at the airport. That goal line play in particular against the Jets - I remember Urlacher making that play his rookie year. Not saying Edmunds won't get it, but I agree with you they need to hedge their bets somewhat.
ctk232 Posted December 18, 2018 Posted December 18, 2018 (edited) On 12/12/2018 at 8:32 AM, buffalobillswin said: I think it is similar to Luke Kuechly and Bobby Wagner. Kuechly is an amazing player and the Panthers should have no regrets picking him 9th overall but...Bobby Wagner in the 2nd round was a much better value. Something similar may become true between Edmunds and LVE/Darrius Leonard It's easy to say this in retrospect though, which I get is what you are doing here. But this can be done with almost any player at any position that a team trades up for. I agree, trading up may not have been the best move overall, but there's equally no guarantee the guy we end up picking next if we don't trade up pans out at all. It's also still too early to say how the rest of any of these careers will go. It's nothing new, but his age really does matter in this context - he just hasn't had the literal ability to experience as much football as anyone else in the league, how could he only being 20? But you may start to see the value committed to this pick start to reflect more in year two and three as he not only gets more experience, but is hitting his prime development years already in the NFL and with a defensive minded coach that has had demonstrated success with creating LBs. Something this made me think of, being somewhat related: popular opinion on almost every player is typically weighted based upon what it took to get them - to me, that is only as fair as you extend the blame for lack of performance to the player vs. the FO for not properly evaluating the talent, which I appreciate you doing here. For example, the Zay Jones pick - I truly think this guy has great WR2 potential and could be an absolute key piece in our corps moving forward, but given that he was a trade up pick in the second, it was immediately assumed we would hope him to become our WR1 of the future, refusing to consider his own skillset, physical traits, etc., all of which point to a slot/WR2 success. Perspective is a helluva drug. That being said, while we could've gotten a Darius Leonard in the 2nd vs. trading up for Edmunds - there is no guarantee it works out in our favor that way either. Edited December 18, 2018 by ctk232
TigerJ Posted December 20, 2018 Posted December 20, 2018 On 12/13/2018 at 5:09 PM, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Right- he was abused by Baltimore and San Diego in that regard. But it’s been improving. Thinking some one of the hesitation is trying to avoid the above. Maybe he’s never going to be instinctive like Ray Lewis but he can certainly work his way to looking like it. "Instinctive" is one of those words we use without fully understanding what it is and where it comes from. "Players are born with it," you say. Yet by the time a player makes it to the NFL, most have been playing football in some form for 12-14 years or so. Did they have a fully developed instinct for the game when they started in Peewee football? Certainly there are kids of 7 or 8 years old who have something that other kids the same age don't have, but a whole lot of development still needs to take place. It's just about unprecedented for a player as young as Tremaine Edmunds to play in the NFL, to say nothing of the fact that the middle linebacker is the player who makes the defensive calls. He bears more responsibility than anyone else on the defense for recognizing what the offense is doing, and then putting his teammates in a position to succeed in countering what the offense is doing. Roquan Smith, the other highly rated rookie linebacker from the same draft, is older and came from an SEC powerhouse school where he had some of the finest coaching money can buy at the college level. It may be that Tremaine Edmunds will as you suggest never be as "instinctive" as Roquan Smith or Luke Kuechly, whatever that is, but I think it's really too early to get overwrought about his ceiling as a player. I'm thinking he pretty darned instinctive for a 20 year old kid. Everything I've seen suggests he's learning by leaps and bounds, and is far less likely now than he was three moths ago to bite on misdirection. My assumption is he's still on his learning curve, and a year from now his "football intelligence" and "instinct' are going to be far more developed than they are right now.
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted December 20, 2018 Posted December 20, 2018 18 hours ago, TigerJ said: "Instinctive" is one of those words we use without fully understanding what it is and where it comes from. "Players are born with it," you say. Yet by the time a player makes it to the NFL, most have been playing football in some form for 12-14 years or so. Did they have a fully developed instinct for the game when they started in Peewee football? Certainly there are kids of 7 or 8 years old who have something that other kids the same age don't have, but a whole lot of development still needs to take place. It's just about unprecedented for a player as young as Tremaine Edmunds to play in the NFL, to say nothing of the fact that the middle linebacker is the player who makes the defensive calls. He bears more responsibility than anyone else on the defense for recognizing what the offense is doing, and then putting his teammates in a position to succeed in countering what the offense is doing. Roquan Smith, the other highly rated rookie linebacker from the same draft, is older and came from an SEC powerhouse school where he had some of the finest coaching money can buy at the college level. It may be that Tremaine Edmunds will as you suggest never be as "instinctive" as Roquan Smith or Luke Kuechly, whatever that is, but I think it's really too early to get overwrought about his ceiling as a player. I'm thinking he pretty darned instinctive for a 20 year old kid. Everything I've seen suggests he's learning by leaps and bounds, and is far less likely now than he was three moths ago to bite on misdirection. My assumption is he's still on his learning curve, and a year from now his "football intelligence" and "instinct' are going to be far more developed than they are right now. I use ‘instinctive’ Having a firm grasp of what it means and what it looks like in athletes. And when talking about it I referenced Ray Lewis. aside from that you basically reiterated the same assertion with a ton more words. so I guess we agree? ?♂️
billspro Posted December 21, 2018 Posted December 21, 2018 On 12/12/2018 at 8:20 AM, 26CornerBlitz said: 11. Tremaine Edmunds, LB, Bills (16th overall)The NFL’s youngest player (he won’t turn 21 until May) struggled immensely in zone coverage early in the season, making play-action the favorite tactic of every Bills opponent. But to Edmunds’s credit, he has become more patient with his reads early in the down, which has allowed him to better employ his speed late in the down. With fellow starting linebacker Matt Milano having a surprisingly stellar season before fracturing his fibula on Sunday, Buffalo’s defense is set inside for the foreseeable future. Linebackers are crucial to this team, as head coach Sean McDermott has brought over many of the double-A-gap pressures and disguises that he ran with Luke Kuechly and Thomas Davis in Carolina. 12-12: Tremaine Edmunds on One Bills Live (9:27) This is the same guy that had Josh Allen ranked 5th out of the rookie QBs today. He work is useless.
26CornerBlitz Posted December 21, 2018 Author Posted December 21, 2018 1 minute ago, billspro said: This is the same guy that had Josh Allen ranked 5th out of the rookie QBs today. He work is useless. Based on what? Your dislike of his opinion? Do as much film study as he does and get back.
billspro Posted December 21, 2018 Posted December 21, 2018 20 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Based on what? Your dislike of his opinion? Do as much film study as he does and get back. I have trouble buying you watch film and have Rosen ranked as the number 2 rookie QB.
26CornerBlitz Posted December 21, 2018 Author Posted December 21, 2018 1 minute ago, billspro said: I have trouble buying you watch film and have Rosen ranked as the number 2 rookie QB. You're not absorbing the full meaning of his opinion that isn't a snapshot of today that you seem to be stuck on. "Rookie QBs' long-term outlooks ranked based on how the QBs have looked on film so far"
billspro Posted December 21, 2018 Posted December 21, 2018 4 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: You're not absorbing the full meaning of his opinion that isn't a snapshot of today that you seem to be stuck on. "Rookie QBs' long-term outlooks ranked based on how the QBs have looked on film so far" The bolded words don’t really change anything for me. He is saying that Rosen has better film than Allen because in no world does he have more potential. It’s a predraft bias and it makes me sceptical he has even watch Allen’s film.
26CornerBlitz Posted December 21, 2018 Author Posted December 21, 2018 Just now, billspro said: The bolded words don’t really change anything for me. He is saying that Rosen has better film than Allen because in no world does he have more potential. It’s a predraft bias and it makes me sceptical he has even watch Allen’s film. Of course you have watched all of these QBs on film and have no bias.
billspro Posted December 21, 2018 Posted December 21, 2018 5 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Of course you have watched all of these QBs on film and have no bias. I have not. Nobody really has time to watch everyone on film including this guy from SI. Darnold has put some good games out there. I would find it hard to believe a QB leading the league in pick sixes has better film than the other guys in a really strong rookie class. And Allen has put some really good plays on film the last four weeks and there is no bias there, they are just impressive NFL plays.
26CornerBlitz Posted December 21, 2018 Author Posted December 21, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, billspro said: I have not. Nobody really has time to watch everyone on film including this guy from SI. Darnold has put some good games out there. I would find it hard to believe a QB leading the league in pick sixes has better film than the other guys in a really strong rookie class. And Allen has put some really good plays on film the last four weeks and there is no bias there, they are just impressive NFL plays. His is an informed opinion based on the work he does with a long term projection. Cherry picking a negative stat that you have no idea of the circumstances of is a bad way to project long term success or failure with no context. Just admit you don't like his opinion and again what does it really mean. In the end, nothing. Edited December 21, 2018 by 26CornerBlitz
billspro Posted December 21, 2018 Posted December 21, 2018 1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said: His is an informed opinion based on the work he does with a long term projection. Cherry picking a negative stat that you have no idea of the circumstances of is a bad way to project long term success or failure with no context. Just admit you don't like his opinion and again what does it really mean. In the end, nothing. I think his opinion is wrong and bias like most of the national media with Josh Allen. We will find out in year 3. If you want good coverage on players and teams you have to go local. What are his credentials for evaluating film? You seem to respect him.
26CornerBlitz Posted December 21, 2018 Author Posted December 21, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, billspro said: I think his opinion is wrong and bias like most of the national media with Josh Allen. We will find out in year 3. If you want good coverage on players and teams you have to go local. What are his credentials for evaluating film? You seem to respect him. Of course you do. If his opinon were the same as yours he'd be brilliant and you haven't put the work in to assess his view witout bias. Look him up for yourself. Edited December 21, 2018 by 26CornerBlitz
billspro Posted December 21, 2018 Posted December 21, 2018 (edited) 10 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Of course you do. If his opinon were the same as yours he'd be brilliant and you haven't put the work in to assess his view witout bias. Look him up for yourself. I’m confident Allen is going to be special. I have no issue writing that prediction on here as I’m right more often than not. We will see who’s opinion is right in 3 years. Interested to see what he says if the Bills beat the Pats this week and I think there is a good chance that happens as well. Edited December 21, 2018 by billspro
26CornerBlitz Posted December 21, 2018 Author Posted December 21, 2018 Just now, billspro said: I’m confident Allen is going to be special. I have no issue writing that prediction on here as I’m right more often than not. We will see who’s opinion is right in 3 years. He has shown some really good signs of late, but has a lot of developing to do. Confident? Based on what?
billspro Posted December 21, 2018 Posted December 21, 2018 1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said: He has shown some really good signs of late, but has a lot of developing to do. Confident? Based on what? Watching a lot of QB film (mostly college) for the past 8 years. I feel I have a good sense for a legit QB.
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