Why do the gays love the dems so much ?

[ALF]

Parents should explain to their children their marital situation and any other questions they have. The whole class need not be involved.

[dickleyjones]

30 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

I'll politely disagree.  Teachers are not there to answer every question posed to them by students. Teachers are professionals and they know EXACTLY how to do this.  They are actually trained how to deflect. They do not have all the answers to life's mysteries.  They are not priests....they are teachers. There job is to deliver a state approved curriculum. Period! 

teachers are more than just that.

 

kids get hurt, teased, bullied, whatever, i'm sure a kind word from the teacher helps at that time. i know it helped me when my parents were getting divorced when i was little. it's not like my teacher had any incredible insight that solved my problems. but even just kind words from someone you trust in a time like that is appreciated and is the right thing to do.

Edited April 28, 2022 by dickleyjones

[Orlando Buffalo]

12 minutes ago, dickleyjones said:

teachers are more than just that.

 

kids get hurt, teased, bullied, whatever, i'm sure a kind word from the teacher helps at that time. i know it helped me when my parents were getting divorced when i was little. it's not like my teacher had any incredible insight that solved my problems. but even just kind words from someone you trust in a time like that is appreciated.

The law forbids the discussion with children until they are about 8 in schools. A teacher would not be fired or reprimanded if some kid asked about someone with two mom's and they responded unless they went into it deeply. Unfortunately there is a small minority of people who truly thought discussing their genitals with children was appropriate and this law is needed.

[BillStime]

Just now, Buffalo Timmy said:

The law forbids the discussion with children until they are about 8 in schools. A teacher would not be fired or reprimanded if some kid asked about someone with two mom's and they responded unless they went into it deeply. Unfortunately there is a small minority of people who truly thought discussing their genitals with children was appropriate and this law is needed.

 

Who thinks this is remotely appropriate OR why this law exists?

[Orlando Buffalo]

3 minutes ago, BillStime said:

 

Who thinks this is remotely appropriate OR why this law exists?

Look at Libs of TikTok. Choosing ignorance is not a good defense. 

[BillStime]

33 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

I'll politely disagree.  Teachers are not there to answer every question posed to them by students. Teachers are professionals and they know EXACTLY how to do this.  They are actually trained how to deflect. They do not have all the answers to life's mysteries.  They are not priests....they are teachers. There job is to deliver a state approved curriculum. Period! 

 

Can you point to the specific state mandated curriculum or local board approved curriculum that this law is striking down?

 

 

 

 

 

 

4 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said:

Look at Libs of TikTok. Choosing ignorance is not a good defense. 

 

OH ok - I'm going to look to TIK TOK for what is allegedly happening in our schools instead of questioning the authenticity of it being staged to rally ignorant people like you.

 

Got it.

[LeviF]

Everyone needs to stop responding to leftists in these situations.

 

Any sane person knows what the law actually does - prevent situations like we've seen publicly shared on social media by multicolor-haired "educators" in their classrooms talking about their personal lives in a way that is not even close to being appropriate for the ages of the children they're supposed to be teaching mathematics and phonics to.

 

Just let the insane ones shout into the void while their IP addresses get flagged for possible CP up/downloading.

[BillStime]

1 hour ago, LeviF said:

Everyone needs to stop responding to leftists in these situations.

 

Any sane person knows what the law actually does - prevent situations like we've seen publicly shared on social media by multicolor-haired "educators" in their classrooms talking about their personal lives in a way that is not even close to being appropriate for the ages of the children they're supposed to be teaching mathematics and phonics to.

 

Just let the insane ones shout into the void while their IP addresses get flagged for possible CP up/downloading.

Any sane person should be able to point to a specific state or local sponsored curricula that this law is striking down…????

[LeviF]

Observe the classic motte-and-bailey doctrine at work in the leftoid's playbook:

 

Boring, but easily defended motte: the Florida bill is a solution in search of a problem

 

What they desire, the bailey: it's good and right for government employees to talk to children under the age of 9 about sex, sexual preference, genitalia, and gender dysphoria.

 

By substituting the motte whenever someone attacks the bailey, they believe they make the attacker out to be unreasonable for not wanting government employees to authoritatively tell small children where a penis might go.

 

This classic concept-swapping was famously all over Michael Foucault's work, a primary influence on the left's insistence in driving the west straight off a cliff.

[BillStime]

31 minutes ago, LeviF said:

Observe the classic motte-and-bailey doctrine at work in the leftoid's playbook:

 

Boring, but easily defended motte: the Florida bill is a solution in search of a problem

 

What they desire, the bailey: it's good and right for government employees to talk to children under the age of 9 about sex, sexual preference, genitalia, and gender dysphoria.

 

By substituting the motte whenever someone attacks the bailey, they believe they make the attacker out to be unreasonable for not wanting government employees to authoritatively tell small children where a penis might go.

 

This classic concept-swapping was famously all over Michael Foucault's work, a primary influence on the left's insistence in driving the west straight off a cliff.

 

If the right were in search of solution for a PROBLEM that actually exists - they would focus on meaningful gun legislation...

 

But no - the cult is obsessed with fighting and inciting manufactured culture wars because that's the only way to rally their ignorant cult.

 

CRT + Anti-LGTBQ legislation is all about HATE and DON'T you dare say GAY GAY GAY... you'll upset the closet cases out there.

[Orlando Buffalo]

57 minutes ago, BillStime said:

Any sane person should be able to point to a specific state or local sponsored curricula that this law is striking down…????

Thank you for admitting you are not sane since you can't find this stuff 

[BillStime]

4 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said:

Thank you for admitting you are not sane since you can't find this stuff 

 

You're a teacher - right? Your go to resource for backing up your arguments shouldn't be TIK TOK.

 

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

3 hours ago, dickleyjones said:

so, unless i missed something else,  this seems to be the relevant bit: "3. Classroom instruction by school personnel or third parties on sexual orientation or gender identity may not occur in kindergarten through grade 3 or in a manner that is not age-appropriate or developmentally appropriate for students in accordance with state standards."

 

so on the one hand it's pretty vague, but "classroom instruction" implies that there won't be specific curriculum or class times dedicated to sexual orientation or gender identity. it does seem discriminatory to be so specific, but at the same time there are many things that are not taught as a class.

 

if, however, it means that a teacher is to *never* reference gender or sexual orientation, i have to disagree with that. kids need to be able to ask questions and teachers need to provide answers. sure, you are not going to want teachers to explain details of sexual intercourse and the like. but explaining to a child that yes, some kids have two moms and the two moms love each other just like a mom and dad love each other, should be allowed imo.

 

 

I like your approach. 

 

It could just be me, but when little Jimmy asks why his classmate has two mommies, it seems perfectly age appropriate to say "Some children have two mommies."  

 

When little Rebecca asks why little Jimmy is wearing a dress to school, it seems perfectly age appropriate for a teacher to say "Some children choose to wear a dress.".  

 

There is a tendency for human beings to talk too much when placed in an uncomfortable situation.  The best approach is to establish a process consistent with the law, train the teacher on best practices, offer word tracks to the teachers that consider outcomes, set the expectation of behavior and hold the teacher accountable for their performance.    Simple wins, usually. 

 

Glad to hear that the relevant bit was NOT "Don't say gay ever ever ever.".  There was a rumor circulating that that was a thing. 

 

Hope your daughter is doing well. 

 

  

[Orlando Buffalo]

34 minutes ago, BillStime said:

 

You're a teacher - right? Your go to resource for backing up your arguments shouldn't be TIK TOK.

 

Primary source documents should always be you first choice, and people admitting themselves that they are doing it is a primary source. Explain a better source than someone admitting what they are doing?

[BillStime]

10 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said:

Primary source documents should always be you first choice, and people admitting themselves that they are doing it is a primary source. Explain a better source than someone admitting what they are doing?

Someone on TIK TOK has credibility how?

 

You're a teacher - in FloriDUH - you won’t put your credibility on the line? We should buy something produced on TIK TOK?

 

 

[716er]

21 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said:

Primary source documents should always be you first choice, and people admitting themselves that they are doing it is a primary source. Explain a better source than someone admitting what they are doing?

 

A Twitter account tweeting videos it found on Tik-Tok is not a primary source.

 

smdh

Edited April 28, 2022 by 716er

[B-Man]

Just now, 716er said:

 

A Twitter account tweeting videos it found on Tik-Tok is not a primary source.

 

smdh

 

A Twitter account tweeting videos it found on Tik-Tok is not a primary source.

 

smdh

 

 

They are videos of teachers talking directly about themselves.........it IS a direct source.

 

 

You can cry Tik-Tok all you want, it doesn't change a thing.

 

 

That is the same with multiple posts by myself and others here that you dislike and falsely discount.

 

They are quotes from people, and often with links to other sources. Your sad excuse that you do not like a particular site, because you don't "approve" of it

is all too laughable

 

 

[716er]

5 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

They are videos of teachers talking directly about themselves.........it IS a direct source.

 

 

You can cry Tik-Tok all you want, it doesn't change a thing.

 

 

That is the same with multiple posts by myself and others here that you dislike and falsely discount.

 

They are quotes from people, and often with links to other sources. Your sad excuse that you do not like a particular site, because you don't "approve" of it

is all too laughable

 

 

 

A primary source would be the video on Tik-Tok itself.

 

A secondary source is Libs of Tik Tok tweeting said video.

 

Sad a teacher does not understand basic sourcing.

[dickleyjones]

yep, looks like we are on the same page.

 

i was thinking of another very common situation in grade school - kids doing projects and presentations about their families. we all did it. so, when Jimmy gets up in front of the class and shows some pictures (not sexually explicit pictures, obviously) of his two dads, sister, and dog as he presents and talks about his family, i would hope that is considered ok in the context of this law.

 

Edited April 28, 2022 by dickleyjones

[Orlando Buffalo]

26 minutes ago, 716er said:

 

A primary source would be the video on Tik-Tok itself.

 

A secondary source is Libs of Tik Tok tweeting said video.

 

Sad a teacher does not understand basic sourcing.

You actually believe that when they reprint the letters of Thomas Jefferson to John Adams it is no longer a primary source? Sad anyone is dumb enough to believe that.