BillStime Posted April 27, 2022 Posted April 27, 2022 Ask Amy: Parent pressures gay son to change Quote DEAR AMY: I recently discovered that my son, who is 17, is a homosexual. We are part of a church group and I fear that if people in that group find out they will make fun of me for having a gay child. He won’t listen to reason, and he will not stop being gay. I feel as if he is doing this just to get back at me for forgetting his birthday for the past three years — I have a busy work schedule. Please help him make the right choice in life by not being gay. He won’t listen to me, so maybe he will listen to you. -- Feeling Betrayed DEAR BETRAYED: You could teach your son an important lesson by changing your own sexuality to show him how easy it is. Try it for the next year or so: Stop being a heterosexual to demonstrate to your son that a person’s sexuality is a matter of choice — to be dictated by one’s parents, the parents’ church and social pressure. I assume that my suggestion will evoke a reaction that your sexuality is at the core of who you are. The same is true for your son. He has a right to be accepted by his parents for being exactly who he is. When you “forget” a child’s birthday, you are basically negating him as a person. It is as if you are saying that you have forgotten his presence in the world. How very sad for him. Pressuring your son to change his sexuality is wrong. If you cannot learn to accept him as he is, it might be safest for him to live elsewhere. A group that could help you and your family figure out how to navigate this is Pflag.org. This organization is founded for parents, families, friends and allies of LGBT people, and has helped countless families through this challenge. Please research and connect with a local chapter.
Big Blitz Posted April 27, 2022 Posted April 27, 2022 (edited) 4 hours ago, BillStime said: It's not grooming. It's a resource that could ACTUALLY HELP PREVENT SUICIDES... but then again, you freaks don't care about kids - you only parrot what your keepers tell YOU what to think. Quit the charade. So you clearly know nothing about parenting. Just a reminder to Parents in this country that have stopped adulting - that phone isn't the kids - it is the parents phone. The kid uses it. Check their texts. Check their apps. Check the whole f...ing thing. Ask them about the "your eyes only" feature or whatever the hell it is in Snap Chat. I respect my kids privacy. Unfortunately it's 2022 and the problems that these kids are having (aside from their lives being ruined by the Branch Covidians) start on their freaking cell phones and how many *likes* their Instagram post got or didn't. Once they get to a certain age - for me it's Sophomore or Junior year in high school - that phone can and should be randomly inspected as a practice. You don't have to accuse them of anything - you make it clear this is about keeping them safe and wanting to know exactly what they're seeing in the fake world. And if any entity has created something anonymous for kids say under 15 or 16 to discuss anything of significance like say sexuality or suicide and parents aren't notified they should be shut down immediately. Somehow the left managed to bastardize parenting so badly that you can't even ask your 11 year old to see their phones and that any talk about LGBTQ issues that 11 year olds should have no business knowing about - specifically the T and the Q - could and should be anonymous or in the public schools is a crime against humanity. Edited April 27, 2022 by Big Blitz 1
BillStime Posted April 27, 2022 Posted April 27, 2022 36 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: So you clearly know nothing about parenting. Just a reminder to Parents in this country that have stopped adulting - that phone isn't the kids - it is the parents phone. The kid uses it. Check their texts. Check their apps. Check the whole f...ing thing. Ask them about the "your eyes only" feature or whatever the hell it is in Snap Chat. I respect my kids privacy. Unfortunately it's 2022 and the problems that these kids are having (aside from their lives being ruined by the Branch Covidians) start on their freaking cell phones and how many *likes* their Instagram post got or didn't. Once they get to a certain age - for me it's Sophomore or Junior year in high school - that phone can and should be randomly inspected as a practice. You don't have to accuse them of anything - you make it clear this is about keeping them safe and wanting to know exactly what they're seeing in the fake world. And if any entity has created something anonymous for kids say under 15 or 16 to discuss anything of significance like say sexuality or suicide and parents aren't notified they should be shut down immediately. Somehow the left managed to bastardize patenting so badly that you can't even ask your 11 year old to see their phones and that talk about LGBTQ issues that 11 year old should have no business knowing about it - specifically the T and the Q - is a crime against humanity. So, do nothing and let these kids kill themselves. Got it. Great parenting. PS: This is 100% you: Ask Amy: Parent pressures gay son to change
SoCal Deek Posted April 27, 2022 Posted April 27, 2022 32 minutes ago, BillStime said: So, do nothing and let these kids kill themselves. Got it. Great parenting. PS: This is 100% you: Ask Amy: Parent pressures gay son to change Are you a parent? 1
Orlando Buffalo Posted April 28, 2022 Posted April 28, 2022 17 hours ago, BillStime said: So, do nothing and let these kids kill themselves. Got it. Great parenting. PS: This is 100% you: Ask Amy: Parent pressures gay son to change Your so self righteous it is pathetic. Telling a kid that being gay is "evil" is a terrible thing, telling a kid they are "special" because they are gay or trans is also bad though. The reason that the gay and trans students I teach love me is I treat the the same as if they were not, all accomplishments are unrelated to that status. Being told you are special without accomplishing anything is highly detrimental to someone's health 1 1
BillStime Posted April 28, 2022 Posted April 28, 2022 21 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said: Your so self righteous it is pathetic. Telling a kid that being gay is "evil" is a terrible thing, telling a kid they are "special" because they are gay or trans is also bad though. The reason that the gay and trans students I teach love me is I treat the the same as if they were not, all accomplishments are unrelated to that status. Being told you are special without accomplishing anything is highly detrimental to someone's health WTF are you talking about? I’m self righteous? You’re the one who supports a party that wants to erase LGTBQ people. You're the one who supports a party that wants to ban gay marriage. You're the one whose party tried to argue that the Civil Rights Act did not cover gay or transgender employees. Trump says ‘we live’ with SCOTUS decision on LGBTQ worker rights You’re a teacher? In Florida? Makes total sense.
SoCal Deek Posted April 28, 2022 Posted April 28, 2022 8 minutes ago, BillStime said: WTF are you talking about? I’m self righteous? You’re the one who supports a party that wants to erase LGTBQ people. You're the one who supports a party that wants to ban gay marriage. You're the one whose party tried to argue that the Civil Rights Act did not cover gay or transgender employees. Trump says ‘we live’ with SCOTUS decision on LGBTQ worker rights You’re a teacher? In Florida? Makes total sense. FYI: Being a ‘teacher’ is not synonymous with being a sexuality coach.
BillStime Posted April 28, 2022 Posted April 28, 2022 11 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: FYI: Being a ‘teacher’ is not synonymous with being a sexuality coach. Thanks for putting words in my mouth - keep up the great work you do here champ.
SoCal Deek Posted April 28, 2022 Posted April 28, 2022 6 minutes ago, BillStime said: Thanks for putting words in my mouth - keep up the great work you do here champ. YOU called out the guy for being a teacher…not me….champ!
Orlando Buffalo Posted April 28, 2022 Posted April 28, 2022 28 minutes ago, BillStime said: WTF are you talking about? I’m self righteous? You’re the one who supports a party that wants to erase LGTBQ people. You're the one who supports a party that wants to ban gay marriage. You're the one whose party tried to argue that the Civil Rights Act did not cover gay or transgender employees. Trump says ‘we live’ with SCOTUS decision on LGBTQ worker rights You’re a teacher? In Florida? Makes total sense. Not one thing you list I have ever said but you did get upset when adults could not discuss who was touching their genitals. So I have logic as usual and you have strawmen
BillStime Posted April 28, 2022 Posted April 28, 2022 3 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: YOU called out the guy for being a teacher…not me….champ! Yea, given this guys body of work here I am SHOCKED to learn he is a teacher... but then again, it's FloriDUH. 2 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said: Not one thing you list I have ever said but you did get upset when adults could not discuss who was touching their genitals. So I have logic as usual and you have strawmen Keep deflecting. Your party hates anyone not white, straight and male.
SoCal Deek Posted April 28, 2022 Posted April 28, 2022 2 minutes ago, BillStime said: Yea, given this guys body of work here I am SHOCKED to learn he is a teacher... but then again, it's FloriDUH. Keep deflecting. Your party hates anyone not white, straight and male. The Florida law wasn’t written by teachers you nitwit. If anything it was written in opposition to teachers. Sheesh Put your rage away for a second.
BillStime Posted April 28, 2022 Posted April 28, 2022 Thank you Trump voters for inciting culture wars on ALL fronts - because you are VOID of any meaningful legislation and can only serve hate.
BillStime Posted April 28, 2022 Posted April 28, 2022 21 hours ago, B-Man said: But don't call it "Grooming" Yea grooming...
dickleyjones Posted April 28, 2022 Posted April 28, 2022 (edited) Canadian parent of a lesbian child here. i am curious about what's going on in florida. but as usual it's difficult to get proper info. is this about not allowing sexuality to be taught as a class for young kids? or is it more strict than that? for example, if a kid asks teacher "how can Timmy have two moms?" is a teacher allowed to give any answer at all? as someone with relevant experience, i'd like to jump in on the conversation but it's become pretty cloudy as to what this is actually about. Edited April 28, 2022 by dickleyjones 1
BillStime Posted April 28, 2022 Posted April 28, 2022 5 minutes ago, dickleyjones said: Canadian parent of a lesbian child here. i am curious about what's going on in florida. but as usual it's difficult to get proper info. is this about not allowing sexuality to be taught as a class for young kids? or is it more strict than that? for example, if i kid asks teacher "how can Timmy have two moms?" is a teacher allowed to give any answer at all? as someone with relevant experience, i'd like to jump in on the conversation but it's become pretty cloudy as to what this is actually about. Here is the law.
SoCal Deek Posted April 28, 2022 Posted April 28, 2022 (edited) 46 minutes ago, dickleyjones said: Canadian parent of a lesbian child here. i am curious about what's going on in florida. but as usual it's difficult to get proper info. is this about not allowing sexuality to be taught as a class for young kids? or is it more strict than that? for example, if a kid asks teacher "how can Timmy have two moms?" is a teacher allowed to give any answer at all? as someone with relevant experience, i'd like to jump in on the conversation but it's become pretty cloudy as to what this is actually about. Do you not think that teachers have been asked awkward questions since the dawn of public education? Answer....yes they have. Spend a little time with kindergarten age kids and you'll get all sorts of awkward, and sometimes inappropriate questions. The law just reinforces the public's desire that the teacher not engage in these discussions, but instead refer to the student to the school administration, or even better yet suggest that the student talk to their parents. It's been the standard for decades. This same thing applies if the student is straight. Edited April 28, 2022 by SoCal Deek 1 1
dickleyjones Posted April 28, 2022 Posted April 28, 2022 (edited) so, unless i missed something else, this seems to be the relevant bit: "3. Classroom instruction by school personnel or third parties on sexual orientation or gender identity may not occur in kindergarten through grade 3 or in a manner that is not age-appropriate or developmentally appropriate for students in accordance with state standards." so on the one hand it's pretty vague, but "classroom instruction" implies that there won't be specific curriculum or class times dedicated to sexual orientation or gender identity. it does seem discriminatory to be so specific, but at the same time there are many things that are not taught as a class. if, however, it means that a teacher is to *never* reference gender or sexual orientation, i have to disagree with that. kids need to be able to ask questions and teachers need to provide answers. sure, you are not going to want teachers to explain details of sexual intercourse and the like. but explaining to a child that yes, some kids have two moms and the two moms love each other just like a mom and dad love each other, should be allowed imo. Edited April 28, 2022 by dickleyjones
SoCal Deek Posted April 28, 2022 Posted April 28, 2022 (edited) 10 minutes ago, dickleyjones said: so, unless i missed something else, this seems to be the relevant bit: "3. Classroom instruction by school personnel or third parties on sexual orientation or gender identity may not occur in kindergarten through grade 3 or in a manner that is not age-appropriate or developmentally appropriate for students in accordance with state standards." so on the one hand it's pretty vague, but "classroom instruction" implies that there won't be specific curriculum or class times dedicated to sexual orientation or gender identity. it does seem discriminatory to be so specific, but at the same time there are many things that are not taught as a class. if, however, it means that a teacher is to *never* reference gender or sexual orientation, i have to disagree with that. kids need to be able to ask questions and teachers need to provide answers. sure, you are not going to want teachers to explain details of sexual intercourse and the like. but explaining to a child that yes, some kids have two moms and the two moms love each other just like a mom and dad love each other, should be allowed imo. I'll politely disagree. Teachers are not there to answer every question posed to them by students. Teachers are professionals and they know EXACTLY how to do this. They are actually trained how to deflect. They do not have all the answers to life's mysteries. They are not priests....they are teachers. There job is to deliver a state approved curriculum. Period! Edited April 28, 2022 by SoCal Deek
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