John Adams Posted March 23, 2022 Posted March 23, 2022 I wonder what Rs can hear this with compassion. Gov Cox will likely be overridden here but his stand deserves hearing. 1
Chef Jim Posted March 23, 2022 Posted March 23, 2022 1 hour ago, John Adams said: I wonder what Rs can hear this with compassion. Gov Cox will likely be overridden here but his stand deserves hearing. I want them to live? So if we only allow athletes to compete against their biological peers it is tantamount to not allowing them to live?
John Adams Posted March 23, 2022 Posted March 23, 2022 12 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: I want them to live? So if we only allow athletes to compete against their biological peers it is tantamount to not allowing them to live? In the context of isolating and restricting ever-growing numbers of trans children, no. Cox is right to say this stuff is tapping into the hate vein. With this an ever-growing population, maybe we don't start with banning trans kids but we start with a dialogue to figure out a way to a solution. It's fair for cis-girls to feel like this is unfair. And it's also OK to say that banning trans girls leads to higher suicide rates and less compassion for them. Let's talk about how to make this all work. I DO NOT have the solutions but starting from "ban them" may not be the best approach, especially here at the beginning of what is going to be a changing time on gender identity.
Chef Jim Posted March 23, 2022 Posted March 23, 2022 16 minutes ago, John Adams said: In the context of isolating and restricting ever-growing numbers of trans children, no. Cox is right to say this stuff is tapping into the hate vein. With this an ever-growing population, maybe we don't start with banning trans kids but we start with a dialogue to figure out a way to a solution. It's fair for cis-girls to feel like this is unfair. And it's also OK to say that banning trans girls leads to higher suicide rates and less compassion for them. Let's talk about how to make this all work. I DO NOT have the solutions but starting from "ban them" may not be the best approach, especially here at the beginning of what is going to be a changing time on gender identity. Of course it's tapping into the hate vein. He's also adding to it with his foolish "let them live" rhetoric. How can we say banning trans girls leads to higher suicide rates when, as far as I know, none have as of yet been banned. How to make it work? Tell them playing in the band is cooler and they don't care what your biology is. You can't hurt a trumpeter by playing a trombone. Life is full of disappointments. It's full of being told things like "we are sorry but you're not big enough to play football." There are many things that are not fair that we learn as we grow up. Being told "it's not fair for you to compete against girls due to your biology. Let me explain why." is a more compassionate way than an outright ban with no explanation other than "sorry...you're different." 1
John Adams Posted March 23, 2022 Posted March 23, 2022 32 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: Of course it's tapping into the hate vein. He's also adding to it with his foolish "let them live" rhetoric. How can we say banning trans girls leads to higher suicide rates when, as far as I know, none have as of yet been banned. How to make it work? Tell them playing in the band is cooler and they don't care what your biology is. You can't hurt a trumpeter by playing a trombone. Life is full of disappointments. It's full of being told things like "we are sorry but you're not big enough to play football." There are many things that are not fair that we learn as we grow up. Being told "it's not fair for you to compete against girls due to your biology. Let me explain why." is a more compassionate way than an outright ban with no explanation other than "sorry...you're different." Or, crazy thought, we come up with a way to include trans athletes and don't ban them? Starting from "bans" of children does not often end well.
Chef Jim Posted March 23, 2022 Posted March 23, 2022 Just now, John Adams said: Or, crazy thought, we come up with a way to include trans athletes and don't ban them? Starting from "bans" of children does not often end well. Let me ask you. Do you feel that a trans girl can have a physical advantage over biological girls when it comes to athletics?
SoCal Deek Posted March 23, 2022 Posted March 23, 2022 58 minutes ago, John Adams said: Or, crazy thought, we come up with a way to include trans athletes and don't ban them? Starting from "bans" of children does not often end well. Nobody is ‘banning’ children! Enough with the hyperbole. The issue is whether these particular children have an inherent unfair advantage in sporting competitions. This is the very reason why there have always been AGE groups in sports, and GENDER groups in sports, to begin with. If there is indeed an inherent competitive advantage than the proper solution is for Trans kids to be willingly and openly accepted with their birth gender competitors. NOT to have them compete against kids that aren’t their birth gender!! Sheesh! Didn’t you ever see the Seinfeld episode where Kramer is beating up all the little kids in his karate class? Just about everything you need to know about life you can learn from watching Seinfeld. 😉
John Adams Posted March 23, 2022 Posted March 23, 2022 1 hour ago, Chef Jim said: Let me ask you. Do you feel that a trans girl can have a physical advantage over biological girls when it comes to athletics? Of course! But that doesn't mean we ban them. Let's figure out a way to include them, (trans boys and girls BTW) as best we can. That may be more challening in some sports than others but let's have a dialog about how to get there instead of blanket legislative bans. 5 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: Nobody is ‘banning’ children! Enough with the hyperbole. The issue is whether these particular children have an inherent unfair advantage in sporting competitions. This is the very reason why there have always been AGE groups in sports, and GENDER groups in sports, to begin with. If there is indeed an inherent competitive advantage than the proper solution is for Trans kids to be willingly and openly accepted with their birth gender competitors. NOT to have them compete against kids that aren’t their birth gender!! Sheesh! Didn’t you ever see the Seinfeld episode where Kramer is beating up all the little kids in his karate class? Just about everything you need to know about life you can learn from watching Seinfeld. 😉 See above. This is a topic with will come up with more regularity with the passage of time. The kids are being banned from sport. Im saying let's have a discussion about how to include trans kids that doesn't start with blanket bans. And that the bans are in many ways fueled by hate doesn't help. Nor does it help that the left refuses to recognize the biological unfairness that trans women have over cis-women. It's a topic with more nuance than a Tweet can address.
SoCal Deek Posted March 23, 2022 Posted March 23, 2022 2 minutes ago, John Adams said: Of course! But that doesn't mean we ban them. Let's figure out a way to include them, (trans boys and girls BTW) as best we can. That may be more challening in some sports than others but let's have a dialog about how to get there instead of blanket legislative bans. John…they should play with their birth gender. Why is that so difficult? Don’t we celebrate the girl who becomes the placekicked on the football team? 1
Chef Jim Posted March 23, 2022 Posted March 23, 2022 (edited) 13 minutes ago, John Adams said: Of course! But that doesn't mean we ban them. Let's figure out a way to include them, (trans boys and girls BTW) as best we can. That may be more challening in some sports than others but let's have a dialog about how to get there instead of blanket legislative bans. So they absolutely have unfair physical advantage over biological females but we should figure out a way to include them? Give me an example of a sport where a biological male would NEVER have an advantage over a biological female. And now let's take it a step further. This is now mainly just a big deal in amateur sports. If we allow this to happen in amateur sports will professional sports, where a paycheck is on the line, be next? We could be setting a potential legal precedence here no? "I was able to compete against biological females in college golf why can't I compete here on the LPGA?" 9 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: John…they should play with their birth gender. Why is that so difficult? Don’t we celebrate the girl who becomes the placekicked on the football team? You misogynistic bastard!!! And WTF. Bastard is fine but B word isn't?? Edited March 23, 2022 by Chef Jim 1
Orlando Buffalo Posted March 23, 2022 Posted March 23, 2022 1 hour ago, John Adams said: Or, crazy thought, we come up with a way to include trans athletes and don't ban them? Starting from "bans" of children does not often end well. It is not a ban on them playing sports anymore than telling LeBron when he retires from the NBA that he can not play in the WNBA is a ban on him playing sports or telling a 20 year golfer he can't play on the senior tour. They fit into a category by birth not choice. 1 1
Boatdrinks Posted March 23, 2022 Posted March 23, 2022 2 hours ago, John Adams said: Or, crazy thought, we come up with a way to include trans athletes and don't ban them? Starting from "bans" of children does not often end well. Except there isn’t a way . Separate but equal ? Nope, doesn’t cut it. It’s an unfair advantage and there’s no way to include them. They can compete against members of their actual birth gender. That is absolutely fair. They can even wear whatever gear they want. 1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said: John…they should play with their birth gender. Why is that so difficult? Don’t we celebrate the girl who becomes the placekicked on the football team? It’s really not difficult at all. It’s common sense. But “ feels”. 1
BillStime Posted March 23, 2022 Posted March 23, 2022 GQP doing a great job cultivating tomorrow's voters:
aristocrat Posted March 23, 2022 Posted March 23, 2022 20 minutes ago, BillStime said: GQP doing a great job cultivating tomorrow's voters: https://sports.yahoo.com/virginia-tech-swimmer-publicly-blasts-195910087.html Problem is if they lose a scholarship to someone with an advantage will their opinion change? It's all fun until something tangible is on the line. It's unfair that these trans athletes were born the way they were but it's also unfair if they gain an advantage over female athletes.
Chef Jim Posted March 23, 2022 Posted March 23, 2022 24 minutes ago, aristocrat said: https://sports.yahoo.com/virginia-tech-swimmer-publicly-blasts-195910087.html Problem is if they lose a scholarship to someone with an advantage will their opinion change? It's all fun until something tangible is on the line. It's unfair that these trans athletes were born the way they were but it's also unfair if they gain an advantage over female athletes. I think it’s safe to say that a vast majority of conservative voters thought this way in HS.
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted March 23, 2022 Posted March 23, 2022 3 hours ago, John Adams said: Of course! But that doesn't mean we ban them. Let's figure out a way to include them, (trans boys and girls BTW) as best we can. That may be more challening in some sports than others but let's have a dialog about how to get there instead of blanket legislative bans. See above. This is a topic with will come up with more regularity with the passage of time. The kids are being banned from sport. Im saying let's have a discussion about how to include trans kids that doesn't start with blanket bans. And that the bans are in many ways fueled by hate doesn't help. Nor does it help that the left refuses to recognize the biological unfairness that trans women have over cis-women. It's a topic with more nuance than a Tweet can address. There’s a simple solution to the problem. Open sports teams to all, eliminate the ability of a coach to cut a prospective participant, implement guidelines that require fair access to playing time, and remove the scoring and competitive element from the sport. As it stands now, there’s a tendency toward selective compassion and frankly, the barrier to entry is too high. Why require a transgender female to “identify” with anyone? On the collegiate level, why the need for hormone treatments for someone like Lia Thomas? If she identifies as female, the rest is just about implementing onerous rules based on antiquated views of gender.
All_Pro_Bills Posted March 23, 2022 Posted March 23, 2022 18 hours ago, Big Blitz said: Lolol Why is it always white people? Because leftist fanatics like these characters think black people are incapable of succeeding without "help" from white people. Which implies a covert racism presented in the form of a superiority complex. 2
Doc Posted March 23, 2022 Posted March 23, 2022 Start transgender leagues, if there are so many of them now.
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted March 23, 2022 Posted March 23, 2022 2 hours ago, aristocrat said: https://sports.yahoo.com/virginia-tech-swimmer-publicly-blasts-195910087.html Problem is if they lose a scholarship to someone with an advantage will their opinion change? It's all fun until something tangible is on the line. It's unfair that these trans athletes were born the way they were but it's also unfair if they gain an advantage over female athletes. There are over 2000 students enrolled in Waukee high school. The estimate was that about 100 participated in a walk out. Recognizing the inherently arbitrary nature of a media source guessing 100 involved, the accurate number was probably 72. You also have to figure in the kids cutting class to catch a buzz--your @Chef Jim, @SoCal Deek, @ALF , and our favorite hipster/cheerleader/stoner @muppy, figure that's another 8-10 off the top. Bottom line, you got maybe 50-60 kids. You could get 50-60 high school kids to boycott pencils if you spun a tall enough tale. 1
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