Deranged Rhino Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 4 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Literally no one has said that. Not even once. Being anti-Israel is so hot right now. All the coolest kids are doing it in the progressive left. You can shame it what you want. Isreal has become a theocracy... An apartheid state. Shame on them. Honestly... You thing the US can build this wall and not over-run 4-5x the cost? NOT turn it into a boondoggle? Just the legal battles alone will take years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 Just now, ExiledInIllinois said: You can shame it what you want. Isreal has become a theocracy... An apartheid state. Shame on them. Honestly... You thing the US can build this wall and not over-run 4-5x the cost? NOT turn it into a boondoggle? Just the legal battles alone will take years. I'm just pointing out the trend in rhetoric. It's funny watching the programming become talking points down here in the dungeon. Predictable too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 Just now, Deranged Rhino said: I'm just pointing out the trend in rhetoric. It's funny watching the programming become talking points down here in the dungeon. Predictable too. I have always been for open borders open trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 Just now, ExiledInIllinois said: I have always been for open borders open trade. That wasn't directed at you personally. Your post just set up the generalization I was making. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 1 minute ago, Deranged Rhino said: That wasn't directed at you personally. Your post just set up the generalization I was making. It is a dungeon. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 "Now Nancy Pelosi and Adam Schiff aren't coming to visit? ..............WHAT THE HELL ARE WE FIGHTING FOR ANYWAY?" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 6 hours ago, Chef Jim said: If you're living paycheck to paycheck because you're paying back your student loan you paid too much for college, got the wrong degree or your parents didn't have the forethought to think about the cost of raising and educating a child before they had one. Thanks for responding even though you missed the point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Buffalo_Gal Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 11 minutes ago, B-Man said: Well, that would explain Nancy stomping back to her room to write up articles of impeachment in crayon, and then sticking it on the side of the fridge in the Congressional lunch room for all to admire her work. (I honestly will not be shocked if that is her next move.) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 5 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said: Well, that would explain Nancy stomping back to her room to write up articles of impeachment in crayon, and then sticking it on the side of the fridge in the Congressional lunch room for all to admire her work. (I honestly will not be shocked if that is her next move.) I'd respect that, if she wrote it in orange crayon. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 (edited) 10 hours ago, SoCoBills said: First and foremost I want to thank you and let you know that I 100% respect your opinion as you've voiced your concerns in an intelligent and fair minded and respectful manner. A lot of people on here seem incapable of having any real political discourse. My entire Facebook feed are friends and coworkers who work for the government. Many of them voted for Trump and I'd say 95% of the people I know that are government employees blame Trump for the shutdown even if they want the wall. Out of the people I know who are openly Trump supporters and government employees I'd say 3/4's of them fully blame Trump for the shutdown. I have one female friend in particular who is a strong Trump supporter that I work alongside daily and she even said Trump needs to open the government. As for your question I'd mostly hold the line because if Trump gets his way at this could set an extremely dangerous precident. Unlike with the healthcare shutdown this is a manufactured crisis. It is wildly unpopular Nationwide and it is littered with propaganda. Before Democrats seized control of the house it didn't have the votes to get through and it certainly doesn't now. How Mitch has behaved with not opening the floor to vote as if Trump is a supreme ruler of a totalitarian country worries me. The impact has gone far beyond wall or no wall. Democrats in the establishment aren't any better. Say if an establishment Democrat wins in 2020 and the shutdown gets Trump his wall you don't think that President and the Dems in the Senate would do the same thing for even longer next time to get what they want? What if Trump gets what he wants and wins in 2020 and wants some new campaign promise fulfilled? You don't think he will do this again? If it were me negotiating as a Democrat from the beginning I'd have first compiled facts like a business pitch. I'd visit the entire border and speak with ice and border agents top to bottom. I'd have them identify key areas of need for fencing and personnel and technology. I'd have pitched to the President we can add some border fencing here, here and here per the reports of border experts and use this money for this, this and this. In the end Trump could say he achieved getting more border fencing along more of the border and then lie like he does in 2019 and claim the decreased immigration numbers are his doing even though they've been on the decline for decades and is at a 46 year low and Democrats can get something in exchange whether it be DACA, better paths to citizenship or something else. I think part of the reason this didn't happen other than incompetence from both sides is the propaganda nature of Trump's entire Presidency. Never in my life have I witnessed a following where people don't care about what a guy says, whether it's truth or lie, or whether he said the exact opposite thing just a few days prior. If the Democrats give Trump even a mile of fencing Trump is likely to call that mile of fencing a wall and claim the rest of the wall is already being built and even if easily debunked somehow his base will believe it and then in 2020 it will happen again. The agreement would have to contain a lot of language and details including some sort of guarantee that if you give him some now he won't go asking for the moon a bit down the road. If your friends listened to Trump and supported him during the last election, it's odd that they would turn on him now. The groundswell that resulted in his improbable election was based in large part on getting certain things accomplished, and dealing with the border was one of those key issues. I understand if they are government employees directly impacted by the shutdown, and I understand how you feel personally, but to sit and watch this silly game continue and lay it all at the feet of Trump makes me wonder what they were hoping for to begin with. I admire the strength of your conviction on preferring to stay out of work v. the dems negotiating further on the wall funding. I don't understand it, given your perilous financial condition, and in light of the fact that it's not all that long ago most of those refusing to give an inch were willing to go a mile. Honestly, it seems like the John McCain approach, all thumbs up and hard charging until something actually can be accomplished and then the maverick is just another establishment govt gelding. In response to your questions, yes, I think it's highly likely that Trump would push the envelope further if he wins this battle on funding. Yes, i think if he wins this skirmish it will play well with virtually everyone but the open border crowd. That is his job. I think the dems by and large could give less than a crap about sensible border security and less than that about people assaulted or killed as a result of this crisis. I think a fair amount of republicans are complicit in it as well, and I think many, many people in positions of power are rewarded handsomely for looking the other way. I think any dem appearing at the border with ice officials would be banished to a political gulag. As for people supporting Trump,I say the same thing over and over and have yet to hear a reasonable reply. Every president and politician lies, distorts or morphs what he/she says. Every single one. You mentioned health care, and Obama lied at just about every turn on the ACA. And while many complained about it, the simple fact is that while we were on the losing end, this boondoggle blows chunks. When it was shown to suck, the architects including BO just changed the narrative, moved the goal posts and lied. Hell, and correct me if I'm wrong...but didn't Barrack Obama and Hillary Clinton state emphatically that GWB manufactured evidence and sent young Americans to fight and die in Iraq? That sounds an awful lot like a war criminal to me. How did that play out? What we hear now is how they have become best friends over cough drops at Barbara's funeral...best cough drop buddies...and Bill and HW were pals too. Liars...all. i have no interest in squabbling over who's liar is better than someone else's. I was very interested in the SC nominee, and watched as the opposition party attempted a very public and contrived late term abortion on a guy who just happened to be conservative. The oppo party in that case runs from Obama on down. Is THAT the party with the moral high ground? When and if RBG is to be replaced by Trump, regardless of who the nominee is the battle will be escalated. Amy Barret? Watch for the story about indiscretions when she was babysitting. I'd think the safe play is diddling with the hubby, but honestly that seems too pedestrian for today's modern dem party. Who knows what they come up with--but it will no doubt be a doozy. I also trust that the judges being appointed to the federal courts are conservative, though much of my impression on that comes from what I read. Could be disappointed I suppose. I particularly enjoy deregulation, the work that's been done on the economy and unemployment, and the tax cuts benefited me and people I care about directly. Anyway, I digressed there a bit. Speaking only for me, it's more about the truths he tells than anything else. Best of luck to you and your family. Edited January 18, 2019 by leh-nerd skin-erd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 1 hour ago, ExiledInIllinois said: I have always been for open borders open trade. Open borders? Like Canada too? If you define open borders as "anybody, anytime" then do you support the concept of the nation state? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 3 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said: Open borders? Like Canada too? If you define open borders as "anybody, anytime" then do you support the concept of the nation state? Yes. Open border, more like relaxed. Like how it used to be: Customs Agent: "Citizenship?" Me: "US" CA: "Purpose for coming to Canada?" Me: "Bingo and Chinese food." CA: "Have a nice time!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 8 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said: Yes. Open border, more like relaxed. Like how it used to be: Customs Agent: "Citizenship?" Me: "US" CA: "Purpose for coming to Canada?" Me: "Bingo and Chinese food." CA: "Have a nice time!" Bingo shark versus Canadian synapses. Nice. There is a difference between your scenario and moving in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 8 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said: Bingo shark versus Canadian synapses. Nice. There is a difference between your scenario and moving in. Not everybody tells the truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 1 minute ago, ExiledInIllinois said: Not everybody tells the truth. That's why, in America, they check your bingo card before giving you the cash. Did the Canadians even get suspicious when you claimed victory after only two numbers were called? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 23 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said: Yes. Open border, more like relaxed. Like how it used to be: Customs Agent: "Citizenship?" Me: "US" CA: "Purpose for coming to Canada?" Me: "Bingo and Chinese food." CA: "Have a nice time!" But this isn't what we have, we have Checkpoint Charlie. Before the whole shebang, we often have human behavior technology or some such thing. Before/during "Citzenship?" comes profiling. Where appropriate, profiling leads to "Papers please..." and where appropriate..."Sir...pull over there where my associates will remove key structural/non-structural components from your vehicle." . And, to boot, if you opted to hop out of the vehicle and bypass the pesky Customs fellow and skip the whole fandango, they are often less kind in inquiring about your plans. we do agree though that "bingo and Chinese food" works virtually every time. Some sort of ghost in the machine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 I bid 50.00 towards watching Billsfan89 jump over the wall. Lmao @ExiledInIllinois jumping on the Israel is bad bandwagon ??♂️??♂️??♂️. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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