B-Man Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 44 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: It "punishes" the troops when Pelosi isn't allowed to visit them. ...U.S Troops after hearing the news.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 3 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said: Adam Schiff just gave a news conference (no one asked him about the now exposed lies in his memo) and he looked like someone just kicked his dog. Wonder why they were so excited to go to Brussels... It's a mystery. Well, some reporter on SiriusXM's POTUS channel was claiming that Trump's letter wasn't accurate. Brussels was only a refueling stop. They may have been meeting with NATO officials, but it was just a brief stop. Seriously, in the same breath the dipschiff contradicted herself twice. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 2 hours ago, billsfan89 said: Donald Trump asked that same question only to two seconds later claim that the technology behind ropes would foil a 30 foot drop. You could also toss a ladder on the other side and have someone climb down with a rope then place the ladder on the other side to make things easier for people who might not be able to use a rope. I don't doubt a wall would provide some impediment but is it honestly cost effective compared to other ways of border security? To build a wall that covers all of the border is going to cost more than 5.7 billion dollars. I am not opposed to limited fencing for more remote areas but a massive border wall would cost 20 plus billion dollars and still need billions of dollars of man power and technology behind it. I would rather put that 20 billion into hiring 10,000 border patrol agents for 10 years. implementing technology to secure the border, and do limited fencing in higher risk areas if that's something border experts would think is necessary. A wall across all of the border seems like a symbolic gesture devoid of any real impact. Well hell, that sells me. Why build a wall to stop/divert human traffickers, drug smugglers, and coyotes when it can be easily defeated by a lone guy with 60 feet of rope and a ton of time on his hands?!? Damn those clever slavers making their victims climb up and down a rope ladder! Unfortunately Border Patrol is just so inept that they're never going to notice groups of people taking hours to climb up and down rope ladders. Well ***** it, we shouldn't even try! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Koko78 Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, Foxx said: not to mention that the CBP has stated repeatedly that a barrier is an effective means of deterrent. What the ***** do they know? Rope. Ladder. Edited January 18, 2019 by Koko78 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 8 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: It's almost like Trump has a natural talent to expose the hypocrisy and stupidity of the ruling elite. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Joe Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 CBS news say we don't need a wall. Because..well...El Chapo 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 2 hours ago, billsfan89 said: This is the most hilarious straw man arguments I have ever heard. I claim that there is a better more cost effective way to handle securing the border and you basically equate that to supporting slavery and child molestation because I state that your solution is expensive, ineffective, and is still reliant on other forms of manpower that is subject to change. That's some Stephen Colbert level hilarity. Dam I knew this place was a Trump echo chamber but this one really made me laugh. "Hey I agree there is a problem at the border but I don't think a wall solves it and its not cost effective for the level of security it provides." "So you support sex trafficking?" The other costs such as imminent domain are things the government can do but do we really want to exercise federal powers to take people's land for a border security measure that is massively expensive and isn't going to be effective enough without manpower behind it? Not to mention the other costs that would come with such a large construction project. Let's see what the Border Patrol has to say. They are the experts and know what is really needed. I'm sure you don't have a problem with that, do you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 1 minute ago, 3rdnlng said: Let's see what the Border Patrol has to say. They are the experts and know what is really needed. I'm sure you don't have a problem with that, do you? Liberals think CBP and ICE are the Gestapo, so what they think doesn't count. But give them eight years, and CBP and ICE will be the good guys again, and the FBI will be back to being the Gestapo. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 12 minutes ago, DC Tom said: Liberals think CBP and ICE are the Gestapo, so what they think doesn't count. But give them eight years, and CBP and ICE will be the good guys again, and the FBI will be back to being the Gestapo. Is the actual Gestapo the Gestapo during this election cycle? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Koko78 said: Well hell, that sells me. Why build a wall to stop/divert human traffickers, drug smugglers, and coyotes when it can be easily defeated by a lone guy with 60 feet of rope and a ton of time on his hands?!? Damn those clever slavers making their victims climb up and down a rope ladder! Unfortunately Border Patrol is just so inept that they're never going to notice groups of people taking hours to climb up and down rope ladders. Well ***** it, we shouldn't even try! If you think it takes hours for willing people to go over a wall then I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you. People trafficking drugs will use tunnels and ports of entry and other methods that will not be impeded by a wall. People looking to cross the border will hire people to get them around the wall or over the wall in a matter of minutes. Its not about not trying but rather if you method is massively ineffective and expensive maybe you should look to other methods that get you more bang for your buck as opposed to something that can be a huge waste of time and money that would be better spent elsewhere. I also see you guys keep saying that CBP is in favor of a coast to coast wall spanning all of the border and that's outright not true. The CBP union has come out in favor of it but that's only after years and years of being against it as a waste of money. I don't know why they would come out in favor of it after years of being against it. If there is evidence as to why they did it and that it is supported by something evidence based I would reconsider my opinion. The actual agency has not come out in favor of an all encompassing border wall. They have come out in favor of a border wall system but have not endorsed a full out coast to coast wall. I am not against limited fencing in more remote areas. But an all out border all that encompasses is not only ineffective but tirelessly expensive and comes with other costs. https://qz.com/1525881/customs-and-border-protections-radical-new-approach-to-a-wall-the-boring-truth/ Edited January 18, 2019 by billsfan89 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 2 minutes ago, billsfan89 said: If you think it takes hours for willing people to go over a wall then I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you. People trafficking drugs will use tunnels and ports of entry and other methods that will not be impeded by a wall. People looking to cross the border will hire people to get them around the wall or over the wall in a matter of minutes. Its not about not trying but rather if you method is massively ineffective and expensive maybe you should look to other methods that get you more bang for your buck as opposed to something that can be a huge waste of time and money that would be better spent elsewhere. I also see you guys keep saying that CBP is in favor of a coast to coast wall spanning all of the border and that's outright not true. The CBP union has come out in favor of it but that's only after years and years of being against it as a waste of money. I don't know why they would come out in favor of it after years of being against it. If there is evidence as to why they did it and that it is supported by something evidence based I would reconsider my opinion. The actual agency has not come out in favor of an all encompassing border wall. They have come out in favor of a border wall system but have not endorsed a full out coast to coast wall. I am not against limited fencing in more remote areas. But an all out border all that encompasses is not only ineffective but tirelessly expensive and comes with other costs. https://qz.com/1525881/customs-and-border-protections-radical-new-approach-to-a-wall-the-boring-truth/ 1.) If you think scaling a 30 foot wall, then climbing 30 feet down, without being noticed, is a quick or easy process, then you're an idiot. If you think that a significant number of people doing it, without being noticed, is a quick or easy process, then you're a bigger idiot. 2.) Tunnels are nice, but take time, resources, oh and mining them is easily detectable if you are paying attention. Israel is pretty effective at detecting and detonating Hamas tunnels under their walls. Which, I'm sure you claim are ineffective. You think there might be a reason they find tunnels so quickly? 3.) No one is asking for an "all encompassing border wall", including CBP. If you've been paying even the slightest attention to anything that isn't NPC programming, you'd know that. There are long stretches of border that are easily patrolled and/or don't actually need walls because there are other natural obstacles in the way. The whole point of the wall, as has been expressed numerous times by numerous posters, is to funnel traffic away from the remote border areas into places that are more easily defended. 4.) I love the "port of entry" talking point for drugs. You know, because statistics are kept of drugs smuggled through the wide swaths of open land. Did you know that 100% of drugs seized at a port of entry were seized at a port of entry? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevbeau Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 20 minutes ago, billsfan89 said: If you think it takes hours for willing people to go over a wall then I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you. People trafficking drugs will use tunnels and ports of entry and other methods that will not be impeded by a wall. People looking to cross the border will hire people to get them around the wall or over the wall in a matter of minutes. Its not about not trying but rather if you method is massively ineffective and expensive maybe you should look to other methods that get you more bang for your buck as opposed to something that can be a huge waste of time and money that would be better spent elsewhere. I also see you guys keep saying that CBP is in favor of a coast to coast wall spanning all of the border and that's outright not true. The CBP union has come out in favor of it but that's only after years and years of being against it as a waste of money. I don't know why they would come out in favor of it after years of being against it. If there is evidence as to why they did it and that it is supported by something evidence based I would reconsider my opinion. The actual agency has not come out in favor of an all encompassing border wall. They have come out in favor of a border wall system but have not endorsed a full out coast to coast wall. I am not against limited fencing in more remote areas. But an all out border all that encompasses is not only ineffective but tirelessly expensive and comes with other costs. https://qz.com/1525881/customs-and-border-protections-radical-new-approach-to-a-wall-the-boring-truth/ El Chapo’s already working on a solution 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 I wonder if Israel knows anything about border security? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 (edited) WELL: Shock Poll: Trump Gains 19 Points with Latino Voters During Border Wall Shutdown. “in the latest NPR/PBS NewsHour/Marist poll released Thursday, President Donald Trump may have suffered some among Republicans overall, but he saw a huge point gain in a different demographic breakdown, and an unexpected one by conventional wisdom. In early December, the poll had Trump’s approval rating among Latino adults at 31%. The results from the poll released Thursday show the president’s job approval among Latino adults at 50%. That is an astonishing 19 point swing. Prior results had less variance, with Latino approval numbers at 36% in their November 1st findings. It was 27% in the pollster’s mid-October survey. The January poll was conducted during the government shutdown over border wall funding, most notably. So the big swing among Latinos was while Trump and Democrats faced off over funding for the wall.” . Edited January 18, 2019 by B-Man 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 Just now, Buffalo_Gal said: I wonder if Israel knows anything about border security? Yeah. "Israel is slowly but inexorably turning into a conservative theocracy while the Diaspora is largely dedicated to liberal democracy." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 1 hour ago, Deranged Rhino said: Same poll. Most polls coincide with this one. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 3 minutes ago, B-Man said: WELL: Shock Poll: Trump Gains 19 Points with Latino Voters During Border Wall Shutdown. “in the latest NPR/PBS NewsHour/Marist poll released Thursday, President Donald Trump may have suffered some among Republicans overall, but he saw a huge point gain in a different demographic breakdown, and an unexpected one by conventional wisdom. In early December, the poll had Trump’s approval rating among Latino adults at 31%. The results from the poll released Thursday show the president’s job approval among Latino adults at 50%. That is an astonishing 19 point swing. Prior results had less variance, with Latino approval numbers at 36% in their November 1st findings. It was 27% in the pollster’s mid-October survey. The January poll was conducted during the government shutdown over border wall funding, most notably. So the big swing among Latinos was while Trump and Democrats faced off over funding for the wall.” . The Democrats are so blinded by believing races vote in blocks that they just can't understand that legal immigrants absolutely HATE illegals. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 35 minutes ago, billsfan89 said: I also see you guys keep saying that CBP is in favor of a coast to coast wall spanning all of the border and that's outright not true. Literally no one has said that. Not even once. 6 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said: Yeah. "Israel is slowly but inexorably turning into a conservative theocracy while the Diaspora is largely dedicated to liberal democracy." Being anti-Israel is so hot right now. All the coolest kids are doing it in the progressive left. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 39 minutes ago, billsfan89 said: If you think it takes hours for willing people to go over a wall then I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you. People trafficking drugs will use tunnels and ports of entry and other methods that will not be impeded by a wall. People looking to cross the border will hire people to get them around the wall or over the wall in a matter of minutes. Its not about not trying but rather if you method is massively ineffective and expensive maybe you should look to other methods that get you more bang for your buck as opposed to something that can be a huge waste of time and money that would be better spent elsewhere. I also see you guys keep saying that CBP is in favor of a coast to coast wall spanning all of the border and that's outright not true. The CBP union has come out in favor of it but that's only after years and years of being against it as a waste of money. I don't know why they would come out in favor of it after years of being against it. If there is evidence as to why they did it and that it is supported by something evidence based I would reconsider my opinion. The actual agency has not come out in favor of an all encompassing border wall. They have come out in favor of a border wall system but have not endorsed a full out coast to coast wall. I am not against limited fencing in more remote areas. But an all out border all that encompasses is not only ineffective but tirelessly expensive and comes with other costs. https://qz.com/1525881/customs-and-border-protections-radical-new-approach-to-a-wall-the-boring-truth/ Maybe we should study the issue for many decades and never do anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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