plenzmd1 Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 Just now, westside said: I have made my point, asked you several questions which you danced around. Then come back with I'm a juvenile and stupid. That's ok, I don't really care what you think about me. I just don't care for hypocrites. Which you are. It's funny how many leftwing people suddenly are confronted with their own hypocrisy. That's ok, keep up the insults, because that's all you really have. what question have I danced around? Name one.. I will give you a cookie if you point it out. How many times have I stated violence for your political ideals is stupid. How many times have I stated the extremes of Antifa and white supremacists are stupid and idiotic ..how many positions of mine on this board of mine would you consider leftist? Name me one ...yet you refuse to see any of that ..i swear you do not read the responses. Please show me my hypocrisy...and please go back to your statement that I was wrong that violence in support of political ideals is wrong. Just now, Buffalo_Gal said: So call Chuckie's office and tell them you want him to whip his Democrats for votes. NOTHING has been presented for President Trump to sign. This is all on good ole Chuck Schumer. You want them back to work with pay? Get those votes (since Chuck voted for the money before, he should be a no-brainer now). you know my position on this.. I have zero issue with a wall..not sure it will work but can't hurt right? Be great if part of a broader immigration reform package, but we both know that's not happening. And you know my position is clearly this is not about the wall for either party..if it was we would be arguing over whether fully funding a wall is worth the shutdown. It is all about satisfying their base for both parties..it is zero about a wall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 The title is a bit misleading, but "sick illegals" seems to be a surge the last few years. We've had the return of some previously "eradicated" diseases, and that ain't good. Overwhelmed border officials beg for help amid surge of sick migrants Border officials begged for medical help from the Coast Guard and the Pentagon to screen illegal immigrants and asked American and Mexican disease specialists to investigate a surge of sick migrants caught at the border after another illegal immigrant child died in U.S. custody. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 30 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said: The title is a bit misleading, but "sick illegals" seems to be a surge the last few years. We've had the return of some previously "eradicated" diseases, and that ain't good. Overwhelmed border officials beg for help amid surge of sick migrants Border officials begged for medical help from the Coast Guard and the Pentagon to screen illegal immigrants and asked American and Mexican disease specialists to investigate a surge of sick migrants caught at the border after another illegal immigrant child died in U.S. custody. Ridiculous. Leave your bubble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 7 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: Ridiculous. Leave your bubble. While Buffalo Gal is certainly able to more than hold her own with the likes of you, I'll respond to your nothing response. You suck. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TH3 Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 1 hour ago, Keukasmallies said: It's obvious to me thst Trump has no business being President. Whoever heard of an elected official actually attempting to do what he promised the voters durting his campaign? It borders on scandalous. More people voted against his promises than for them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 1 hour ago, plenzmd1 said: Cmon @B-Man , you are starting to get your infor from bad places. It was the fake news doctored headline the other day, now this. 420K government workers are working right now without pay. More than the furlouhed workers missing a day at 340K. Yes they will get paid eventually, but missing a check for the vast majority of people in this country puts a hurting on them..even its if coming, but two weeks late. If only those poor federal workers had known that there was a possibility of this shutdown happening for the past 8-10 months and were able to plan accordingly... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 14 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: Ridiculous. Leave your bubble. m'kay. It is difficult to find direct quotes attributed to illegals + previously "eradicated" infectious diseases. A LOT of that wording has been scrubbed (like with a cloth) from the internet. Replacing it is "lack of vaccinations" (so anti-vaxxers is implied). I did manage to find one non-scrubbed article (probably due to the source), however, for more, you may want to leave your bubble and look up bubonic plague (!!!!), measles, TB, etc. And try a search engine other than google as they scrub more, and for pages deep. Tuberculosis, caused by bacteria and spread through the air, is also making a comeback, particularly among some segments of the working class population. In 2009, there were 11,545 reported cases of tuberculosis in the US, 29 percent of these among Hispanics. States with large immigrant populations have the highest incidence of tuberculosis. In 2009, there were 2,470 cases in California, 1,501 cases in Texas, and 1,006 cases in New York. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 19 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: Ridiculous. Leave your bubble. Good luck proving her wrong. Or right. The numbers on illegal immigrant health at border crossing just don't exist, as far as I can tell. Best I can find is some MMWR reports from the 90s about how measles was epidemic in border crossers, but that was before Central America started getting vaccination programs in place...which have since collapsed in some locations. Now, all the "research" seems to be op-eds confirming pre-existing bias, where it exists at all. None of which is a good thing. 2 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said: m'kay. It is difficult to find direct quotes attributed to illegals + previously "eradicated" infectious diseases. A LOT of that wording has been scrubbed (like with a cloth) from the internet. Replacing it is "lack of vaccinations" (so anti-vaxxers is implied). I did manage to find one non-scrubbed article (probably due to the source), however, for more, you may want to leave your bubble and look up bubonic plague (!!!!), measles, TB, etc. And try a search engine other than google as they scrub more, and for pages deep. Tuberculosis, caused by bacteria and spread through the air, is also making a comeback, particularly among some segments of the working class population. In 2009, there were 11,545 reported cases of tuberculosis in the US, 29 percent of these among Hispanics. States with large immigrant populations have the highest incidence of tuberculosis. In 2009, there were 2,470 cases in California, 1,501 cases in Texas, and 1,006 cases in New York. The problem with that being that no one seems to want to determine if that's because TB is being imported by immigrants. Everything I've found from the past five years treats that as an "access to health care in the US problem" - they're already here, they catch TB, they don't get treatment because "we need single payer medicine!" It's not even a "correlation equals causation" fallacy. It's a "correlation proves Republicans hate immigrants!" fallacy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 (edited) 10 minutes ago, DC Tom said: Good luck proving her wrong. Or right. The numbers on illegal immigrant health at border crossing just don't exist, as far as I can tell. Best I can find is some MMWR reports from the 90s about how measles was epidemic in border crossers, but that was before Central America started getting vaccination programs in place...which have since collapsed in some locations. Now, all the "research" seems to be op-eds confirming pre-existing bias, where it exists at all. None of which is a good thing. The problem with that being that no one seems to want to determine if that's because TB is being imported by immigrants. Everything I've found from the past five years treats that as an "access to health care in the US problem" - they're already here, they catch TB, they don't get treatment because "we need single payer medicine!" It's not even a "correlation equals causation" fallacy. It's a "correlation proves Republicans hate immigrants!" fallacy. 1 I'm wondering if more hard data will be collected, released, and more importantly, retained without bias due to the "children dying in custody" of Ice and Border Patrol? I was frankly surprised at the implication that the bubonic plague was in the United States due to anti-vaxxing, although I shouldn't have been - "the narrative™" after all. Edited December 27, 2018 by Buffalo_Gal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 7 minutes ago, Koko78 said: If only those poor federal workers had known that there was a possibility of this shutdown happening for the past 8-10 months and were able to plan accordingly... well, the point of the post was that all fed workers had only lost one day to that point...it is just a falsehood. Even the folks who are working, but being paid in arrears..are affected. Most studies say 70-80% of all US workers state they live paycheck to paycheck...not just federal workers. And as of Tuesday of last week, the Trump administration said he would not force a shutdown. True, fed workers screwed up and trusted Trump..and that is on them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 Just now, plenzmd1 said: well, the point of the post was that all fed workers had only lost one day to that point...it is just a falsehood. Even the folks who are working, but being paid in arrears..are affected. Most studies say 70-80% of all US workers state they live paycheck to paycheck...not just federal workers. And as of Tuesday of last week, the Trump administration said he would not force a shutdown. True, fed workers screwed up and trusted Trump..and that is on them He didn't. President Trump has not been presented with anything to sign. The House did their job, sent it on to the Senate where it languishes for lack of Democratic votes. The Democrats screwed up and listened to Schumer ... and that is on them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 Just now, Buffalo_Gal said: I'm wondering if more hard data will be collected, released, and more importantly, retained without bias due to the "children dying in custody"? I was frankly surprised at the implications that the bubonic plague was in the United States due to anti-vaxxing, although I shouldn't have been - "the narrative™" after all. Bubonic plague is endemic to the southwestern US, in prairie dogs, ground squirrels, and the like. There's about 5-15 human cases of it every year in the US. It has *****-all to do with vaccinations or immigrants. In fact, if anything, plague incidents in Central America would most likely come from the US, not the other way around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 8 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: well, the point of the post was that all fed workers had only lost one day to that point...it is just a falsehood. Even the folks who are working, but being paid in arrears..are affected. Most studies say 70-80% of all US workers state they live paycheck to paycheck...not just federal workers. And as of Tuesday of last week, the Trump administration said he would not force a shutdown. True, fed workers screwed up and trusted Trump..and that is on them? So you're claiming they only had one week to plan for the shutdown? That's about as dumb as your comparison of federal workers to the 70-80% of all US workers. It wasn't exactly a secret ~10 months ago that the government would shut down in December. If they can't can't plan for a light paycheck (or at worst, one light paycheck and one skipped paycheck - which will be paid retroactively), then they're ***** idiots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 Just now, Buffalo_Gal said: He didn't. President Trump has not been presented with anything to sign. The House did their job, sent it on to the Senate where it languishes for lack of Democratic votes. The Democrats screwed up and listened to Schumer ... and that is on them. No, Sanders indicated and acknowledged last Tuesday Trump would sign the resolution extended and temporily funding the government through Feb 2019. House republicans were all set to send that to Trump when Ingram, Fox and Friend et al got involved and on Thursday Trump reversed course.Even if you disagree on the motivation, to revise what Sanders said and deny she said it is not being honest. Your post for that day even stated " well, there are other ways to fund the wall" .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 3 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: well, the point of the post was that all fed workers had only lost one day to that point...it is just a falsehood. Even the folks who are working, but being paid in arrears..are affected. Most studies say 70-80% of all US workers state they live paycheck to paycheck...not just federal workers. And as of Tuesday of last week, the Trump administration said he would not force a shutdown. True, fed workers screwed up and trusted Trump..and that is on them? Fed workers didn't trust Trump. Or Congress, for that matter. They just don't have much of a choice. Most I talk to blame both parties relatively equally (the disdain of your average civil servant for elected officials shouldn't be underestimated - federal workers aren't terribly partisan, but are rather cynical). Anything you read about govvies blaming Trump or Congress for this - and I've already seen several examples of either - is based on cherry-picked testimony to promote an editorial position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 2 minutes ago, DC Tom said: Bubonic plague is endemic to the southwestern US, in prairie dogs, ground squirrels, and the like. There's about 5-15 human cases of it every year in the US. It has *****-all to do with vaccinations or immigrants. In fact, if anything, plague incidents in Central America would most likely come from the US, not the other way around. Hmmm not sure why you think that, but it is possible. Looking at the cases from 1970- today, they are indeed in the southwest.... and can you tell me where illegals generally come over to the US? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 42 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: Ridiculous. Leave your bubble. Oh come on it's the start of a plan. More dead bodies of these immigrants can be good! A wall of Soylent green! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 2 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: No, Sanders indicated and acknowledged last Tuesday Trump would sign the resolution extended and temporily funding the government through Feb 2019. House republicans were all set to send that to Trump when Ingram, Fox and Friend et al got involved and on Thursday Trump reversed course.Even if you disagree on the motivation, to revise what Sanders said and deny she said it is not being honest. Your post for that day even stated " well, there are other ways to fund the wall" .. Who is holding up the signing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 1 minute ago, Koko78 said: So you're claiming they only had one week to plan for the shutdown? That's about as dumb as your comparison of federal workers to the 70-80% of all US workers. It wasn't exactly a secret ~10 months ago that the government would shut down in December. If they can't can't plan for a light paycheck (or at worst, one light paycheck and one skipped paycheck - which will be paid retroactively), then they're ***** idiots. of course not claiming anything about one week, just busting and you know it. But to claim federal workers should somehow live a more austure life and save more and etc than the average American I think is not a great argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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