The Trump Shutdown

[plenzmd1]

2 minutes ago, westside said:

Wrong

okay.. I will take the bait...violence in support of your political position in the United States is good when?????

Edited December 27, 2018 by plenzmd1

[DC Tom]

5 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

He needs to push that. There cannot be many voters who think human trafficking is a good thing (IMO he's trying to squish too much into that tweet, stick with one theme, but I get why he does it).

 

There are many who think human trafficking doesn't exist, though, or is extremely rare.

 

7000 prosecuted cases in 2017, with 12000 identified victims.  

9 minutes ago, BeginnersMind said:

 

Yes. Trump should really go out on a limb as anti human trafficking. Should he also be anti child porn and against gas chamber killings? That would show such courage and leadership. 

 

He already has gone out on that limb.  

 

And he gets massive criticism for it.

[outsidethebox]

8 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:

okay.. I will take the bait...violence in support of your political position in the United States is good when?????

It's against Trump supporters. The left needs to take ownership of there militant arm of the Democratic party.

 

 

[DC Tom]

11 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:

okay.. I will take the bait...violence in support of your political position in the United States is good when?????

 

When you're Maxine Waters, Hillary Clinton, Eric Holder...

[plenzmd1]

1 minute ago, westside said:

It's against Trump supporters. The left needs to take ownership of there militant arm of the Democratic party.

 

 

hmm..trying to figure this one out..please explain in detail..when is violence justified in the US to support your political position?

 

And if you can make an argument outside of " antifa is the militant arm of the Democratic party" or "denounce antifa" i will be truly shocked.

 

 

[WhitewalkerInPhilly]

34 minutes ago, BigMcD said:

Lol, and there’s the typical response. Your cult here really has it down pat!

 

Yeah. "Oh what, you want to bring up the multiple Pulitzer prize winning news sources independent fact checkers? Everyone knows that facts have a known anti-Trump bias!!!"

 

6 minutes ago, DC Tom said:

 

There are many who think human trafficking doesn't exist, though, or is extremely rare.

 

7000 prosecuted cases in 2017, with 12000 identified victims.  

 

He already has gone out on that limb.  

 

And he gets massive criticism for it.

 

I don't think that I have seen anyone, ANYONE criticizing Trump against being against human trafficking. It's just that a lot of people think that his ideas as to how to stop them are hideously ineffective stunts that serve only to stoke his fanbase. 

 

It's absolutely reasonable to be against something, and criticize how the people in charge are trying to address it. It's like being against communism and going, "Hey, maybe this Joe McCarthy is getting a bit out of hand" or being against heroin and going "maybe locking up potheads isn't helping".

 

 

[DC Tom]

Just now, plenzmd1 said:

hmm..trying to figure this one out..please explain in detail..when is violence justified in the US to support your political position?

 

 

When fighting against violence...like Yoyo Minneapolis or whatever-the-*****-his-name-is giving a speech at Berkeley.  

[outsidethebox]

1 minute ago, plenzmd1 said:

hmm..trying to figure this one out..please explain in detail..when is violence justified in the US to support your political position?

 

And if you can make an argument outside of " antifa is the militant arm of the Democratic party" or "denounce antifa" i will be truly shocked.

 

 

I don't remember you or anyone on the left denouncing waters when she encouraged violence on Trump supporters. Did you speak up? 

According to the left, silence is a form of approval. 

Hey, I'm just saying what your side has been saying since the elections. 

[boyst]

1 minute ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said:

 

Yeah. "Oh what, you want to bring up the multiple Pulitzer prize winning news sources independent fact checkers? Everyone knows that facts have a known anti-Trump bias!!!"

 

 

I don't think that I have seen anyone, ANYONE criticizing Trump against being against human trafficking. It's just that a lot of people think that his ideas as to how to stop them are hideously ineffective stunts that serve only to stoke his fanbase. 

 

It's absolutely reasonable to be against something, and criticize how the people in charge are trying to address it. It's like being against communism and going, "Hey, maybe this Joe McCarthy is getting a bit out of hand" or being against heroin and going "maybe locking up potheads isn't helping".

 

 

Where have the fact checkers been the last 15 years?  And how are they shaping what "facts" are covered?  There are facts, "facts" and facts.  The media wants the latter two vs the former.

 

You are against his idea. What's your idea?  WhTs anyone else's idea?  Schumer and your fellow mindless NPC Dems want open borders. That's not a solution.  Just because Schumer has a 19 yr old sugar baby from North Carolina, among the others he most likely has, doesn't mean he needs the free sex slaves, I reckon.

 

The retard in you ***** and kvetches without an opposing idea, conclusive response, or a valid solution.  So, get one of those and you can sit at the big boy table.  Until, you and your NPC ilk just sit at that kiddy table

[DC Tom]

Just now, WhitewalkerInPhilly said:

I don't think that I have seen anyone, ANYONE criticizing Trump against being against human trafficking. It's just that a lot of people think that his ideas as to how to stop them are hideously ineffective stunts that serve only to stoke his fanbase. 

 

Yes, you have.  You just don't see it for what it is.

 

Now that might be because you're not on the inside looking out, like I am.  But yes, he gets a lot of criticism for it.

[plenzmd1]

2 minutes ago, westside said:

I don't remember you or anyone on the left denouncing waters when she encouraged violence on Trump supporters. Did you speak up? 

According to the left, silence is a form of approval. 

Hey, I'm just saying what your side has been saying since the elections. 

and that's what I expected...no argument, no cogent points, nothing of substance outside of "dems bad" (btw, I am not a dem if you have not figured that out yet)

 

[outsidethebox]

Just now, plenzmd1 said:

and that's what I expected...no argument, no cogent points, nothing of substance outside of "dems bad" (btw, I am not a dem if you have not figured that out yet)

 

Lol, just because you don't like the truth doesn't make it a lie. 

We have another independent over here who just happens to lean left on every subject. Lol

 

So dishonest 

[plenzmd1]

8 minutes ago, DC Tom said:

 

When fighting against violence...like Yoyo Minneapolis or whatever-the-*****-his-name-is giving a speech at Berkeley.  

not quite sure what you mean here Tom..but that dude should absolutely be allowed to speak wherever and whenever someone wants him there. I feel the same on White Supremacists..same with Black Supremacists..same with Farrakhan..just cause I oppose their views and think they all whacked..have at it.

 

Violence against any of them is not warranted.

[DC Tom]

Just now, plenzmd1 said:

not quite sure what you mean here Tom..but that dude should absolutely be allowed to speak wherever and whenever someone wants him there. I feel the same on White Supremacists..same with Black Supremacists..same with Farrakhan..just cause I oppose their views and think they all whacked..have at it.

 

Violence against any of them is not warranted.

 

I agree...but I'm playing devil's advocate.  Lots of people don't agree with us...and lots of people consider "hate speech" violence and thus consider it morally acceptable to respond to it with physical violence.  You don't have to look very far for those opinions.  

[B-Man]

In DC, a single day is a "prolonged shutdown"

 

Today is the sixth day of the government shutdown. The first four days were scheduled days off. The first two were Saturday and Sunday, followed by Christmas Eve, which President Trump decreed as a day off for federal workers, and Christmas.

On Wednesday morning -- barely three hours into the first actual workday in the shutdown by Congress -- Politico reported, "Federal workforce starts to feel pinch of prolonged shutdown."

If federal workers cannot last a single day under these circumstances, maybe we should replace them with adults.

But the headline was clickbait. The story was not about the deprivations government workers suffer, but rather a boring recap of the positions of the president and Senate leaders.

By the way, Congress is the culprit. It has not sent a resolution to the president. He cannot veto something that does not yet exist.

Not until Paragraph 16 is there any comment from federal workers, and it is in the form of a press release from the International Federation of Professional and Technical Engineers union, which took a personal shot at the president.

But the snotty union statement shows that far from being caught in the middle of a political battle, most federal workers are partisans who hate the president. We need to rethink Civil Service because by protecting employees we have made them unresponsive to the people.

Only six of the first 16 days in this shutdown are workdays. The rest are three weekends, two federal holidays, and two days off from the president.

If the federal government is so important that it cannot be shutdown for a single day, why are we giving employees 10 days off in 16 days?

 

https://donsurber.blogspot.com/2018/12/in-dc-single-day-is-prolonged-shutdown.html

[plenzmd1]

1 minute ago, westside said:

Lol, just because you don't like the truth doesn't make it a lie. 

We have another independent over here who just happens to lean left on every subject. Lol

 

So dishonest 

I asked you to form an argument when violence in support of a political ideal is warranted as you said i was wrong earlier in thread.

 

You came back with your standard response of you lean left...you bad and dishonest. For christ sakes  man, form an argument, argue for it, show evidence why you support it...and please form more than "I was a democrat..i left, they suck, Antifa represents all Dems""". It is juvenile dude.

 

BTW, if I was a democratic operative i would take your posts on this , show them to the world as proof positive the Dems have a smarter party then GDP

[Keukasmallies]

It's obvious to me that Trump has no business being President.  Whoever heard of an elected official actually attempting to do what he promised the voters durting his campaign?  It borders on scandalous.

Edited December 27, 2018 by Keukasmallies

[outsidethebox]

14 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:

I asked you to form an argument when violence in support of a political ideal is warranted as you said i was wrong earlier in thread.

 

You came back with your standard response of you lean left...you bad and dishonest. For christ sakes  man, form an argument, argue for it, show evidence why you support it...and please form more than "I was a democrat..i left, they suck, Antifa represents all Dems""". It is juvenile dude.

 

BTW, if I was a democratic operative i would take your posts on this , show them to the world as proof positive the Dems have a smarter party then GDP

I have made my point, asked you several questions which you danced around. Then come back with I'm a juvenile and stupid. 

 

That's ok, I don't really care what you think about me. I just don't care for hypocrites. Which you are. It's funny how many leftwing people suddenly become independents when confronted with their own hypocrisy. 

 

That's ok, keep up the insults, because that's all you really have.

Edited December 27, 2018 by westside

[plenzmd1]

Cmon @B-Man , you are starting to get your infor from bad places. It was the fake news doctored headline the other day, now this.

 

420K government workers are working right now without pay. More than the furlouhed workers missing a day at 340K.

 

Yes they will get paid eventually, but missing a check for the vast majority of people in this country puts a hurting on them..even its if coming, but two weeks late.

 

 

[Buffalo_Gal]

4 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:

Cmon @B-Man , you are starting to get your infor from bad places. It was the fake news doctored headline the other day, now this.

 

420K government workers are working right now without pay. More than the furlouhed workers missing a day at 340K.

 

Yes they will get paid eventually, but missing a check for the vast majority of people in this country puts a hurting on them..even its if coming, but two weeks late.

 

 

So call Chuckie's office and tell them you want him to whip his Democrats for votes. NOTHING has been presented for President Trump to sign. This is all on good ole Chuck Schumer. You want them back to work with pay? Get those votes (since Chuck voted for the money before, he should be a no-brainer now).