Deranged Rhino Posted January 31, 2019 Posted January 31, 2019 Human trafficking at the forefront... again: 4
IDBillzFan Posted January 31, 2019 Posted January 31, 2019 1 hour ago, plenzmd1 said: Think the funny thing obviously is that Trump says that illegal immigration is a national emergency, and yet none of his businesses employ E-Verify..and if you read the stories knowingly employed illegal immigrants. What's funny is how you are implying that the national emergency Trump is referring to has anything to do with the hiring of illegal aliens. That's dishonest at best, and I think you know that. It's about drugs and sex trafficking. Leave the low-hanging fruit to Tibs.
plenzmd1 Posted January 31, 2019 Posted January 31, 2019 1 hour ago, DC Tom said: Because E-Verify is still relatively new, is not mandated (Obama tried to get its use mandated, and failed), and several states absolutely forbid its use. And it's notoriously unreliable, in no small part because it relies on an immigration system that's unreliable (I know one story where a naturalized citizen was denied work because after he received his Certificate of Naturalization from USCIS, the State Department failed to inform ICE that he was naturalized, so DHS denied the I-9. How *****-up a bureaucracy is that, that the State Department has to notify DHS of what another DHS branch is doing?) This story is not nearly as black-and-white as reports make it out to be. well, I would not call it new, been around for 20yrs, pretty mainstream for 9.....and while we can agree that E-Verify is not perfect, it is funny that Donny Jr has now said Trump properties will start using it...hmm. So illegal immigration is a national emergency, unless we need cheap labor at Trump properties than it is all good!
Nanker Posted January 31, 2019 Posted January 31, 2019 4 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: well, I would not call it new, been around for 20yrs, pretty mainstream for 9.....and while we can agree that E-Verify is not perfect, it is funny that Donny Jr has now said Trump properties will start using it...hmm. So illegal immigration is a national emergency, unless we need cheap labor at Trump properties than it is all good! I'm certain POTUS was present during her hiring interviews, and personally recommended hiring her. 2
plenzmd1 Posted January 31, 2019 Posted January 31, 2019 3 minutes ago, LABillzFan said: What's funny is how you are implying that the national emergency Trump is referring to has anything to do with the hiring of illegal aliens. That's dishonest at best, and I think you know that. It's about drugs and sex trafficking. Leave the low-hanging fruit to Tibs. thought it was about crime and gangs, and rapists, and terrorists coming across our southern border.,and those people coming here and breeding..and oh yeah, drugs and trafficking sound good now too.? I just having fun at Trump expense, he is the one that said all those things... Said this way back when at the start of this thread..I don't think the Dems care if a wall is built, same don't dont think Trump cares if a wall is built..they care how their bases percieve them based if money is/is not appropriated for a wall. I know I don't care either way
BeginnersMind Posted January 31, 2019 Posted January 31, 2019 26 minutes ago, LABillzFan said: That's dishonest at best, and I think you know that. It's about drugs and sex trafficking. I thought it was about murderers, rapists, and terrorists. The drugs are going to get through. Have no fear on that front.
IDBillzFan Posted January 31, 2019 Posted January 31, 2019 6 minutes ago, BeginnersMind said: I thought it was about murderers, rapists, and terrorists. The drugs are going to get through. Have no fear on that front. What it's not about is the hiring of illegal aliens. Try to keep up, or at least let the adults continue to discuss things, mmmmmkay?
The_Dude Posted January 31, 2019 Posted January 31, 2019 https://www.yahoo.com/news/pelosi-no-wall-money-u-border-deal-talks-162509707--business.html Pelosi has bigger balls and brains than “strong man” Trump. Sad on both accounts. 1 hour ago, Deranged Rhino said: The USPS delivers that amount in a day.
Foxx Posted January 31, 2019 Posted January 31, 2019 1 hour ago, plenzmd1 said: well, I would not call it new, been around for 20yrs, pretty mainstream for 9.....and while we can agree that E-Verify is not perfect, it is funny that Donny Jr has now said Trump properties will start using it...hmm. So illegal immigration is a national emergency, unless we need cheap labor at Trump properties than it is all good! this is a false equivalency.
keepthefaith Posted January 31, 2019 Posted January 31, 2019 (edited) Why hasn't anyone asked Pelosi this: Speaker Pelosi, do you and your party support the elimination of people entering, living and working in this country who arrived outside of our legal immigration system? If so, will you and your party support the necessary changes to asylum laws and also the border security measures necessary to achieve this on a long term basis? Edited January 31, 2019 by keepthefaith 1
plenzmd1 Posted January 31, 2019 Posted January 31, 2019 1 hour ago, LABillzFan said: What it's not about is the hiring of illegal aliens. Try to keep up, or at least let the adults continue to discuss things, mmmmmkay? Be great if there was an adult as POTUS..just using his words over the last two years as justification for building a wall..is it wrong to use his words? 41 minutes ago, Foxx said: this is a false equivalency. go on...
Foxx Posted January 31, 2019 Posted January 31, 2019 (edited) 9 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: Be great if there was an adult as POTUS..just using his words over the last two years as justification for building a wall..is it wrong to use his words? go on... 50 minutes ago, Foxx said: this is a false equivalency. 2 hours ago, plenzmd1 said: well, I would not call it new, been around for 20yrs, pretty mainstream for 9.....and while we can agree that E-Verify is not perfect, it is funny that Donny Jr has now said Trump properties will start using it...hmm. So illegal immigration is a national emergency, unless we need cheap labor at Trump properties than it is all good! because he hired an illegal, it doesn't equate to a national emergency? for one the illegal probably lied to get hired, whether Trump Inc. knew that she was lying is immaterial here and not something you can conclusively prove, one way or the other. secondly, your statement about it being a national emergency unless Trump needs cheap labor is just dumb (i'm sorry but it just is) on the surface. are you insinuating that he no longer needs cheap labor? Edited January 31, 2019 by Foxx
Koko78 Posted January 31, 2019 Posted January 31, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Foxx said: because he hired an illegal, it doesn't equate to a national emergency? for one the illegal probably lied to get hired, whether Trump Inc. knew that she was lying is immaterial here and not something you can conclusively prove, one way or the other. secondly, your statement about it being a national emergency unless Trump needs cheap labor is just dumb (i'm sorry but it just is) on the surface. are you insinuating that he no longer needs cheap labor? Well, not after Trump literally killed all women and enslaved all minorities through his evil policies and Nazi Supreme Court picks. That's not even including all the POWs we captured/enslaved during the nuclear wars he started. Edited January 31, 2019 by Koko78 1
plenzmd1 Posted January 31, 2019 Posted January 31, 2019 1 minute ago, Foxx said: because he hired an illegal, it doesn't equate to a national emergency? for one the illegal probably lied to get hired, whether Trump Inc. knew that she was lying is immaterial here and not something you can conclusively prove, one way or the other. secondly, your statement about it being a national emergency unless Trump needs cheap labor is just dumb (i'm sorry but it just is) on the surface. are you insinuating that he no longer needs cheap labor? 1) The illegal (according to her and other illegals employed by Trump) would deliver documents to Trump Properties..if said fakes did not look passable, they were told to go find better documents that could pass.Again, that is from their side, the properties have yet to respond. 2) I was trying to be sarcastic in that my position is that Trump does not find it a national emergency, hs business practices confirm that. What he does find a national emergency is the support of his base if he does not get funding for a wall. 3) I don't think the Dems think a wall is immoral either, I think they saw an opening where Trump is vulnerable..and using for political purposes as well. 4) this gets solved with a declaration of national emergency, each side claims a win and both bases are happy.
Numark3 Posted January 31, 2019 Posted January 31, 2019 1 minute ago, Deranged Rhino said: God she is not great at speaking 1
Deranged Rhino Posted January 31, 2019 Posted January 31, 2019 Just now, Crayola64 said: God she is not great at speaking Her clone is faulty... (since we haven't communicated much, this is sarcasm... based on my posting history here, that's sometimes hard to discern ) 1
Foxx Posted January 31, 2019 Posted January 31, 2019 (edited) 15 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: 1) The illegal (according to her and other illegals employed by Trump) would deliver documents to Trump Properties..if said fakes did not look passable, they were told to go find better documents that could pass.Again, that is from their side, the properties have yet to respond. 2) I was trying to be sarcastic in that my position is that Trump does not find it a national emergency, hs business practices confirm that. What he does find a national emergency is the support of his base if he does not get funding for a wall. 3) I don't think the Dems think a wall is immoral either, I think they saw an opening where Trump is vulnerable..and using for political purposes as well. 4) this gets solved with a declaration of national emergency, each side claims a win and both bases are happy. the business hiring and firing procedures are probably not something Trump concerns himself with at this stage or at any stage in recent years. i am guessing, though i could be wrong here, but that the only thing he looks at as far as that goes is what the bottom line is. i sensed your sarcasm, i only drew attention to it. to say he does not find it a national emergency is not being very genuine. he campaigned upon it, two years ago and was told he was going to get funding for it from Ryan. that he was lied to has kind of made it the emergency that it has evolved to. he is attempting to keep his campaign promises which is quite something in this day and age. when is the last time a politician kept as many campaign promises as Trump has seemed to? i can tell you it is not many, most tell their electorate what they want to hear and then when they get in orifice, they do what they want or are told to do. the Dems only think the wall is immoral because it is Trumps . they have all voted for a wall previously. they are just being hypocritical to yank any momentum they can from him because they know he is going to be tough to beat in '20. if he declares a national emergency, it gets dragged through the courts and it could be years before a final say is rendered. Trump knows this and it is why he is trying to do everything he can to not have to take that route. it has been reported the last few days by a governmental office that he doesn't even have to declare a national emergency to build it, he can just go ahead and do it by diverting appropriations already designated elsewhere. Edited January 31, 2019 by Foxx
IDBillzFan Posted January 31, 2019 Posted January 31, 2019 45 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: ...is it wrong to use his words? Not at all. I'm glad to see the left finally doing that since they had zero interest in "using his words" for the last president. But hey...if you like to your doctor, am I right?
plenzmd1 Posted January 31, 2019 Posted January 31, 2019 (edited) 25 minutes ago, Foxx said: the business hiring and firing procedures are probably not something Trump concerns himself with at this stage or at any stage in recent years. i am guessing, though i could be wrong here, but that the only thing he looks at as far as that goes is what the bottom line is. i sensed your sarcasm, i only drew attention to it. to say he does not find it a national emergency is not being very genuine. he campaigned upon it, two years ago and was told he was going to get funding for it from Ryan. that he was lied to has kind of made it the emergency that it has evolved to. he is attempting to keep his campaign promises which is quite something in this day and age. when is the last time a politician kept as many campaign promises as Trump has seemed to? i can tell you it is not many, most tell their electorate what they want to hear and then when they get in orifice, they do what they want or are told to do. the Dems only think the wall is immoral because it is Trumps . they have all voted for a wall previously. they are just being hypocritical to yank any momentum they can from him because they know he is going to be tough to beat in '20. if he declares a national emergency, it gets dragged through the courts and it could be years before a final say is rendered. Trump knows this and it is why he is trying to do everything he can to not have to take that route. it has been reported the last few days by a governmental office that he doesn't even have to declare a national emergency to build it, he can just go ahead and do it by diverting appropriations already designated elsewhere. 7 1) If he truly viewed it as a national emergency, he would have got something done when the GOP controlled all 3 legislative branches of the government. So now we are blaming Paul Ryan??? Really??? This was Paul Ryans fault? A specious argument at best. 2) And yes it was a campaign promise..one, that I am told consistently on here , should have only believed half of the promise, but not the other half. Again, I am consistently told his words do not matter...but I should believe the interview in the Daily Caller( hmm, who funds that rag?) . 3) On the bolded we agree 100% 4) I think he goes national emergency route as he does not really care if the wall gets built.. not saying he does not believe in it, but he is not dying on that hill! National emergency gets what is really important to him, I win with his base. 5 minutes ago, LABillzFan said: Not at all. I'm glad to see the left finally doing that since they had zero interest in "using his words" for the last president. But hey...if you like to your doctor, am I right? ??? BTW, you should know by now i am not "left" Edited January 31, 2019 by plenzmd1
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