The Trump Shutdown

[DC Tom]

1 hour ago, Boyst62 said:

The economy not doing well?

 

Look at the furniture capitol of the world, look at what's rural NC right now. Temp agencies can't keep enough temps to fill jobs paying $13+ for unskilled/unexperienced labor.  My company has waited months just to bring in 3 or 4 people. This is in an Economically downtrodden area where a majority of poeple just 20 years ago built wood furniture the old fashioned way.

 

Anyone saying the economy is not better than. Just 2015 when I began the position I'm in is a fool. We were paying minimum wage then. We can't now.

 

But that's the deplorable economy.  Not the real economy.

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

14 minutes ago, LABillzFan said:

 

People didn't sit on money because the "economy is in the pooper." People sat on money because of the unpredictability of an Obama presidency, which made SMART companies spend cautiously because they NEVER knew when Obama was going to do something stupid again, like Obamacare, or the Recovery Act, or Cash for Clunkers, or just randomly throw out an EO to take their money to "make things more fair." He preached how those big companies "didn't build that" and "rich people  need to pay their fair share."
 

From a business standpoint, Obama was, far and away, the dumbest effer to be in the WH in years, and corporate America knew it, which is why they sat on their cash. Obama = uncertainty.

 

Trump is batschitt crazy, but at least the man actually accomplished something beyond "community organizer." I cant stand the guy and even I knew business was going to pop simply because he wasn't Obama (or Hillary).

 

Yes to all of this.  Obamas middle name should be changed from Hussein to "Malaise".  In spite of his soaring TelePrompter rhetoric, he had a way of just sucking the life out of everything he touched.  Except, of course, governmental overreach and regulation.  You know when a guy from the govt starts crowing about jobs someone else has created as jobs he has "saved", he's scraping the bottom of the barrel. 

 

He did however do a crackerjack job of stimulating the economy of Iran. 

 

 

[Nanker]

I calculate that Trump has saved or created over 359,675,482 jobs in his first 24 months in office. 

[3rdnlng]

15 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:

Wait, are you really saying you think executives thought Obama was more of a wild card than Trump?

Well investors certainly did. We know that the stock market moves on expectations. Look at how it took off from 11-9-16 on.

[GG]

32 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:

Wait, are you really saying you think executives thought Obama was more of a wild card than Trump?

 

There's 8 years' worth of discussion about it in the Obama Economy thread, followed by a direct contrast in the Trump Economy thread.  To say that executives thought Obama was more of a wild card than Trump, is being kind to Obama.  The CEOs didn't think much of Obama's business acumen, and they knew well enough to sit on their hands and wait things out.

[Rob's House]

21 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said:

Well investors certainly did. We know that the stock market moves on expectations. Look at how it took off from 11-9-16 on.

That was very telling.

 

I don't think President Trump has been terribly unpredictable with economic policy. People get the idea that he's whimsical because of his personality and off the cuff style, but when it comes to policy he's been pretty consistent. 

[BringBackOrton]

49 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:

Wait, are you really saying you think executives thought Obama was more of a wild card than Trump?

Wait have you looked at the markets or anything else since November 2016?

 

Trump for all his bluster was never the “pen and the phone” short-sighted do-gooder in regards to the US economy. 

 

Fear of catastrophic government interference stifles large and small businesses alike. Why do you think the Starbucks guy is deciding to run, Trump’s policies or the ones proposed by leftist candidates?

Edited January 30, 2019 by BringBackOrton

[keepthefaith]

2 hours ago, LABillzFan said:

 

People didn't sit on money because the "economy is in the pooper." People sat on money because of the unpredictability of an Obama presidency, which made SMART companies spend cautiously because they NEVER knew when Obama was going to do something stupid again, like Obamacare, or the Recovery Act, or Cash for Clunkers, or just randomly throw out an EO to take their money to "make things more fair." He preached how those big companies "didn't build that" and "rich people  need to pay their fair share."
 

From a business standpoint, Obama was, far and away, the dumbest effer to be in the WH in years, and corporate America knew it, which is why they sat on their cash. Obama = uncertainty.

 

Trump is batschitt crazy, but at least the man actually accomplished something beyond "community organizer." I cant stand the guy and even I knew business was going to pop simply because he wasn't Obama (or Hillary).

 

 

Absolutely.  There was a bump in confidence immediately after the election.  See 5 year chart and longer charts, consumer and biz.

https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/consumer-confidence

https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/consumer-confidence

 

Bit of dip happening now though, but still good numbers. 

 

Really odd though that media reaction after election would look completely different. 

 

Edited January 30, 2019 by keepthefaith

[IDBillzFan]

2 hours ago, plenzmd1 said:

Wait, are you really saying you think executives thought Obama was more of a wild card than Trump?

 

From a business standpoint? Absofreakinglutely!  You think business executives care because he calls people names and has typos in his tweets? They couldn't care less.

 

Trump does a lot of unconventional stuff, but in what world does anyone think the business world is afraid of him from a business standpoint? Precisely what numbers are you looking at to even sniff the idea that Obama = Trump on the economy? Give me numbers.

 

Obama was an economic embarrassment for this country. Not to mention he missed THE golden moment to be a leader in the black community. But what suffered most under his presidency? Black employment numbers.

 

Look. I get it. You hate Trump. But thinking Obama = Trump on the economy is ridiculous.

 

 

[KRC]

14 hours ago, Nanker said:

That’s $100 BILLION less that the USA doesn’t have to pony up. 

 

Sounds like we have Wall money with change left over!!

[BeginnersMind]

16 minutes ago, KRC said:

 

Sounds like we have Wall money with change left over!!

 

This announcement is about other countries spending more on war.

 

It is not about the US not spending its own money. 

 

And if you think the US defense budget is about to shrink, bahaha!

[snafu]

4 minutes ago, BeginnersMind said:

 

This announcement is about other countries spending more on war.

 

It is not about the US not spending its own money. 

 

And if you think the US defense budget is about to shrink, bahaha!

 

First sentence: it is about other countries living up to their pledge to contribute to the NATO budget.  The NATO budget wasn’t increased by 100billion. You can mischaracterize if it makes you feel better, but I don’t remember NATO getting into a war since Clinton was President. 

 

Second sentence: it is absolutely about the US not having to spend its own money to make up for the other members’ failure to live up to their pledges.

 

Third sentence: maybe yes, maybe no, but at least the US can redirect money that they weren’t supposed to spend on NATO to other uses that are more suited to our own interests.

 

[KRC]

25 minutes ago, BeginnersMind said:

 

This announcement is about other countries spending more on war.

 

It is not about the US not spending its own money. 

 

And if you think the US defense budget is about to shrink, bahaha!

 

Try again.

[BeginnersMind]

11 minutes ago, snafu said:

 

First sentence: it is about other countries living up to their pledge to contribute to the NATO budget.  The NATO budget wasn’t increased by 100billion.

 

 

Correct, but the US wasn't making up the shortfall. 

 

The US has increased psnding in Europe under Trump, even as other NATO countries have increased their spending since 2014.

 

11 minutes ago, snafu said:

 

Second sentence: it is absolutely about the US not having to spend its own money to make up for the other members’ failure to live up to their pledges.

 

 

No. See above. It's just about making more war machines. 

 

11 minutes ago, snafu said:

 

Third sentence: maybe yes, maybe no, but at least the US can redirect money that they weren’t supposed to spend on NATO to other uses that are more suited to our own interests.

 

 

See above again. See also, history. 

 

 

1 minute ago, KRC said:

 

Try again.

 

I don't need to. The US spending in Europe keeps increasing under Trump in spite of our NATO allies spending more since 2014.

 

No one is saving money.  

 

 

[boyst]

3 minutes ago, BeginnersMind said:

 

Correct, but the US wasn't making up the shortfall. 

 

The US has increased psnding in Europe under Trump, even as other NATO countries have increased their spending since 2014.

 

 

No. See above. It's just about making more war machines. 

 

 

See above again. See also, history. 

 

 

 

I don't need to. The US spending in Europe keeps increasing under Trump in spite of our NATO allies spending more since 2014.

 

No one is saving money.  

 

 

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He shouldn't be allowed to come and take my baby away
Baby why don't you wake up, all we gotta do is make up
Come on baby, don't break up with me

Well, I saw you walkin' with him just the other night
I almost flipped when I saw him squeeze you tight
Baby why don't you wake up, all we gotta do is make up
Come on baby, don't break up with me

[KRC]

12 minutes ago, BeginnersMind said:

No. See above. It's just about making more war machines.

 

Generals gathered in their masses
Just like witches at black masses
Evil minds that plot destruction
Sorcerers of death's construction
In the fields the bodies burning
As the war machine keeps turning
Death and hatred to mankind
Poisoning their brainwashed minds
Oh Lord yeah

Politicians hide themselves away
They only started the war
Why should they go out to fight
They leave that all to the poor, yeah

Time will tell on their power minds
Making war just for fun
Treating people just like pawns in chess
Wait 'till their judgment day comes, yeah

Now in darkness world stops turning
As the war machine keeps burning?
No more war pigs have the power
Hand of God has struck the hour
Day of judgment God is calling
On their knees, the war pigs crawling
Begging mercy for their sins
Satan laughing spreads his wings
Oh Lord yeah

[row_33]

I don't see Russia as any threat, despite the Dems and the MSM trying to make them seem that way.

 

Russia was a major threat from 1919 to just after 1989, and the Dems and MSM downplayed and mocked efforts to confront it.

 

 

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

2 minutes ago, row_33 said:

I don't see Russia as any threat, despite the Dems and the MSM trying to make them seem that way.

 

Russia was a major threat from 1919 to just after 1989, and the Dems and MSM downplayed and mocked efforts to confront it.

 

 

Russia is an enemy of convenience. It's a holdover from the days some of us hid under desks to survive the incoming planes.  That's not to say there isn't danger associated with the Ruskies, but we see every few years the cycle of resetting relations with the Kremlin.  The intelligence community trots out a good "former Russian spy poisoned by Putin" the media runs with it, and so on. 

 

 

[row_33]

15 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

Russia is an enemy of convenience. It's a holdover from the days some of us hid under desks to survive the incoming planes.  That's not to say there isn't danger associated with the Ruskies, but we see every few years the cycle of resetting relations with the Kremlin.  The intelligence community trots out a good "former Russian spy poisoned by Putin" the media runs with it, and so on. 

 

 

 

Russia was a terror to the world for that 70 or so years, I have many in my life who escaped it and have built a good life for themselves in Canada, for which they are eternally grateful.

 

Russia is North America's best ally against the most likely source of terrorism in the world currently.

 

 

 

 

[Nanker]

Bermuda?

Edited January 30, 2019 by Nanker