The Trump Shutdown

[njbuff]

5 minutes ago, snafu said:

The President caved and anyone who thinks this was strategically smart forgets that Democrats won’t bend or twist or back down. Republicans in Congress would, but Democrats won’t. 

 

The national emergency angle is a morass waiting to happen and it will eventually make Trump look weak to anyone but his core. I personally don’t believe that a court can properly say whether their interpretation of an emergency overrules the President’s. That won’t stop an injunction. 

 

The Democrats did say to the nation that they will talk with the President if he re-opens the government.

 

Now if they go back on their word................ it's Trump that still looks bad?

[snafu]

Yes, because EVERYONE knows they were lying.

 

[njbuff]

1 minute ago, snafu said:

Yes, because EVERYONE knows they were lying.

 

 

So, everyone knows that the Dems were lying and Trump is the one who looks bad.

 

What a cockeyed political environment we live in, huh?

Edited January 26, 2019 by njbuff

[snafu]

He’s catching hell from the right and being mocked from the left.

 

[Koko78]

1 hour ago, snafu said:

The President caved and anyone who thinks this was strategically smart forgets that Democrats won’t bend or twist or back down. Republicans in Congress would, but Democrats won’t.

 

We all know they won't. They never had any intention of negotiating in good faith - they explicitly said so.

 

Now Trump has the opportunity to shift the narrative against them. Let them crow about him "caving". Let Schumer run his victory lap. In 3 weeks, they're going to have to explain why they lied about negotiating if Trump agreed to open the government.

 

All the Democrats have to do is not be insane, and they can't pull it off.

[snafu]

Just now, Koko78 said:

 

We all know they won't. They never had any intention of negotiating in good faith - they explicitly said so.

 

Now Trump has the opportunity to shift the narrative against them. Let them crow about him "caving". Let Schumer run his victory lap. In 3 weeks, they're going to have to explain why they lied about negotiating if Trump agreed to open the government.

 

All the Democrats have to do is not be insane, and they can't pull it off.

 

Let’s see what these three weeks brings.

if I were advising the President, I’d have him make an offer to negotiate with Congressional leadership, from both parties, every single day from here until the next deadline. That’s the only way I see his high ground meaning something. 

[3rdnlng]

1 hour ago, Figster said:

Myself personally,  the idea of an actual wall is going to cost a fortune and people are going to find ways to dig under it, and go over it IMO. What does this do to the wild life? Animals need room to roam, so are we putting their backs against the wall? On the other hand dog patrols offer a more mobile form of security that would be way, way cheaper then a wall that will eventually get conquered in my humble opinion. Yes , the dogs need handlers and border patrol would have to take on the responsibilities.

 

I get where your coming from and some parts of the border, deserts for instance may not need any type of barrier because of how easy it is for detection.

 

One of the biggest obstacles the right has of convincing the left a wall will work is a wall where? and why? Show me a plan that makes sense. 

The wall is not intended to be as impenetrable as a prison wall. In other words, not perfect. It is meant to slow down any crossing so Border Patrol may arrive. The wall is most effective in reducing drug smuggling and the illegal/immoral sex trafficking of children. Sure, it will help some with illegal immigration and prevent caravans rushing our border but again it is only part of a border security system. Dogs may be helpful on patrol or seeking out illegals, criminal or otherwise, but they're just one  tool in the bag.

[Nanker]

FWIW drug detecting canines cost several thousands of dollars each.

 

One sniff of fentanyl can kill a dog. 

 

Drug dealers would slaughter them without mercy. 

 

So so not only are the “NEVER FENCERS” pro human and drug trafficking, they also hate dogs. 

[3rdnlng]

14 minutes ago, snafu said:

 

Let’s see what these three weeks brings.

if I were advising the President, I’d have him make an offer to negotiate with Congressional leadership, from both parties, every single day from here until the next deadline. That’s the only way I see his high ground meaning something. 

He's already stated that he will do that.

[Buffalo_Gal]

 

 

 

 

[snafu]

2 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said:

He's already stated that he will do that.

 

I haven’t checked.  Has he said it today?

[Figster]

1 minute ago, 3rdnlng said:

The wall is not intended to be as impenetrable as a prison wall. In other words, not perfect. It is meant to slow down any crossing so Border Patrol may arrive. The wall is most effective in reducing drug smuggling and the illegal/immoral sex trafficking of children. Sure, it will help some with illegal immigration and prevent caravans rushing our border but again it is only part of a border security system. Dogs may be helpful on patrol or seeking out illegals, criminal or otherwise, but they're just one  tool in the bag.

Absolutely 3rd, and I do believe a wall in higher traffic areas might make more sense.

[3rdnlng]

2 minutes ago, snafu said:

 

I haven’t checked.  Has he said it today?

Yesterday in his Rose Garden speech.

[Figster]

 

15 minutes ago, Nanker said:

FWIW drug detecting canines cost several thousands of dollars each.

 

One sniff of fentanyl can kill a dog. 

 

Drug dealers would slaughter them without mercy. 

 

So so not only are the “NEVER FENCERS” pro human and drug trafficking, they also hate dogs. 

Drug detecting canines are not whats needed to patrol our border from the people carrying them.

 

Again, kill a patrol dog and go to prison. You will get caught and you won't complete your objective.

 

One sniff of fentanyl can kill the person that dispenses it.

 

Thanks for the input, much appreciated Nanker

 

 

[DC Tom]

25 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

 

 

 

 

 

He's wrong, on so many levels.  9th Circuit wouldn't, as it would get to a district court first - and whichever one heard the case would certainly issue a stay (because the filers would venue-shop to find one that would) pending hearings, on the grounds that "the national emergency is racist" - the same grounds they stayed the exercise of prosecutorial discretion in revoking DACA.

 

And if it eventually got to the 9th Circus, after hearing after hearing...they absolutely could rule the law unconstitutional.  Which would just send it to the Supreme Court...and would be hilarious, as it would suspend some 25 other national emergencies currently in force.  They'd be stupid to do it...but I never trust the 9th Circuit to make the smart decision when they can make the stupid progressive decision.

[/dev/null]

30 minutes ago, Nanker said:

FWIW drug detecting canines cost several thousands of dollars each.

 

One sniff of fentanyl can kill a dog. 

 

Drug dealers would slaughter them without mercy. 

 

So so not only are the “NEVER FENCERS” pro human and drug trafficking, they also hate dogs. 

 

We should build a wall just to throw those dog killing ers off

 

[snafu]

48 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said:

Yesterday in his Rose Garden speech.

 

What I meant was whether he offered to talk today, like he should offer tomorrow, and Monday.

invite Pelosi over to the White House every day.  

[3rdnlng]

8 minutes ago, snafu said:

 

What I meant was whether he offered to talk today, like he should offer tomorrow, and Monday.

invite Pelosi over to the White House every day.  

He invited them over every day until it was settled.

 

I think Nancy said she couldn't make it, she had prior plans. We just don't know at what Sandals though.

Edited January 26, 2019 by 3rdnlng

[Nanker]

38 minutes ago, Figster said:

 

Drug detecting canines are not whats needed to patrol our border from the people carrying them.

 

Again, kill a patrol dog and go to prison. You will get caught and you won't complete your objective.

 

One sniff of fentanyl can kill the person that dispenses it.

 

Thanks for the input, much appreciated Nanker

 

 

Just some stuff I learned from Officers at the Citizen’s Police Academy that I’ve been attending. It’s not just the dogs, the agents get exposed to all thatshit too. 

[3rdnlng]

2 minutes ago, Nanker said:

Just some stuff I learned from Officers at the Citizen’s Police Academy that I’ve been attending. It’s not just the dogs, the agents get exposed to all thatshit too. 

George Zimmermann, is that you?