keepthefaith Posted January 20, 2019 Posted January 20, 2019 1 minute ago, Doc Brown said: One thing I liked about Trump's speech today is he finally gave a little clarification that it wouldn't be one continuous wall/barrier along the Mexican border. It might convince some people that there tax money won't be wasted on an ineffective and expensive project that's unlikely to be completed. It was his best effort yet to articulate the issue and solutions. He had some numbers, etc and went beyond "the wall, the wall, the wall" as he has been harping. He's in a position now to expose the dems true position of amnesty for all and open borders, but I don't know if the court of public opinion will provide enough support to actually pressure Nancy and Chuck. Their dream is a dem house and dem white house in 2021 with a Senate that is not far off of 50/50. That will probably give them enough leverage to "reform" immigration to their political liking. Until then they can continue the character assassination of Trump for another 15 months or so and at that point neither party will be doing any "work" other than campaigning and fundraising.
row_33 Posted January 20, 2019 Posted January 20, 2019 7 hours ago, /dev/null said: IIRC Jimmy was killed off at the end of the second season Whatever, he forced their hand and was wasted sooner than expected.
The_Dude Posted January 20, 2019 Posted January 20, 2019 9 hours ago, DC Tom said: Yeah, someone tell me again that pot is harmless... Or....or, maybe it’s been a decade since I’ve seen it? There could be that. But nah, it’s probably as you say.
TH3 Posted January 20, 2019 Posted January 20, 2019 15 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said: That's the move he's offered, which is right out of Sun Tzu: "When you surround an army, leave an outlet free. Do not press a desperate foe too hard." Art of the deal......what a maroon! The orange menace throws out an option that neither party will vote for! And you you still think he is some kind of deal master....what an idiot.... He got some deals alright....and as long as the Justice department stays patriotic.....you are gonna find out all about them? 1
Buffalo_Gal Posted January 20, 2019 Posted January 20, 2019 9 hours ago, Doc Brown said: Trump and Pelosi aren't good negotiators. Trump didn't do himself any favors in the court of public opinion clearly changing his mind at the last second on not signing the bill and then saying he'd take the blame for the shutdown in front of the cameras. Meanwhile, Pelosi calls the wall "immoral" and therefore any compromise that includes wall funding makes her commit an immoral act according to her definition. One thing I liked about Trump's speech today is he finally gave a little clarification that it wouldn't be one continuous wall/barrier along the Mexican border. It might convince some people that there tax money won't be wasted on an ineffective and expensive project that's unlikely to be completed. "Clearly changing his mind"??? What? The news media reported he'd sign it. President Trump did not signal he would sign that bill. In light of everything he campaigned on, best guess is the news media put forth a narrative hoping to either pressure Trump, make him seem weak, or so people could later say "he changed his mind". He told Nancy he had the votes in the House for wall funding (he did) and he'd take the blame (adult in the room, but a mistake IMO). Schumer than did not allow the Ds in the Senate to vote for the bill with wall funding. heh - autocorrect keeps wanting to replace Schumer with schemer. 1
Foxx Posted January 20, 2019 Posted January 20, 2019 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said: ... heh - autocorrect keeps wanting to replace Schumer with schemer. mine keeps trying to insert, Schmuck. Edited January 20, 2019 by Foxx 1
Chandemonium Posted January 20, 2019 Posted January 20, 2019 8 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said: "Clearly changing his mind"??? What? The news media reported he'd sign it. President Trump did not signal he would sign that bill. In light of everything he campaigned on, best guess is the news media put forth a narrative hoping to either pressure Trump, make him seem weak, or so people could later say "he changed his mind". He told Nancy he had the votes in the House for wall funding (he did) and he'd take the blame (adult in the room, but a mistake IMO). Schumer than did not allow the Ds in the Senate to vote for the bill with wall funding. heh - autocorrect keeps wanting to replace Schumer with schemer. If my understanding of the senate rules is correct, McConnell could’ve forced a vote in the senate by allowing the Dems to do an actual speaking filibuster, and then in turn forcing each one to yield the floor the moment they strayed off topic. Once each dem had spoken on the bill twice, they would not be eligible to speak again and a vote could be called and the bill passed on a simple majority. Other than taking a ton of time I’m not sure what the ramifications of doing it that way would’ve been or why they didn’t consider attempting it.
KRC Posted January 20, 2019 Posted January 20, 2019 It is funny to see all of the Democrats telling Trump that he needs to re-open the government before they will negotiate, when Nancy has already stated that if Trump re-opens the government, she will not negotiate on the wall. Talk about disingenuous. 3
3rdnlng Posted January 20, 2019 Posted January 20, 2019 1 hour ago, The_Dude said: Or....or, maybe it’s been a decade since I’ve seen it? There could be that. But nah, it’s probably as you say. You can't remember things from 10 years ago? Hell, Tom remembers things that were said in Tom Mix movies.
The_Dude Posted January 20, 2019 Posted January 20, 2019 1 hour ago, 3rdnlng said: You can't remember things from 10 years ago? Hell, Tom remembers things that were said in Tom Mix movies. I remember important things.
IDBillzFan Posted January 20, 2019 Posted January 20, 2019 2 hours ago, TH3 said: Art of the deal......what a maroon! The orange menace throws out an option that neither party will vote for! And you you still think he is some kind of deal master....what an idiot.... He got some deals alright....and as long as the Justice department stays patriotic.....you are gonna find out all about them? What he did was set in motion what everyone knew would happened. He exposed the left for being exclusively anti-Trump. Period. They literally rejected him before he even spoke. THAT is all you need to know. The dude said he would take responsibility for the shutdown and the left isn't even competent enough to let him do that. Best meltdown ever. Keep it up. 2
Q-baby! Posted January 20, 2019 Posted January 20, 2019 3 hours ago, Foxx said: mine keeps trying to insert, Schmuck. That’s crazy! Foxx is not even close to schmuck.
3rdnlng Posted January 20, 2019 Posted January 20, 2019 1 hour ago, The_Dude said: I remember important things.
Foxx Posted January 20, 2019 Posted January 20, 2019 2 minutes ago, BigMcD said: if you had a penny for every... you would have a loan? man you Canucks are ***** stupid. 1
Q-baby! Posted January 20, 2019 Posted January 20, 2019 Just now, Foxx said: if you had a penny for every... you would have a loan? man you Canucks are ***** stupid. It’s ok if you don’t get it. You are dumb.
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted January 20, 2019 Posted January 20, 2019 2 minutes ago, BigMcD said: It’s ok if you don’t get it. You are dumb. I'll play on this one. I don't get it. Enlighten me. 1
Q-baby! Posted January 20, 2019 Posted January 20, 2019 Just now, leh-nerd skin-erd said: I'll play on this one. I don't get it. Enlighten me. Sorry, not my job.
Deranged Rhino Posted January 20, 2019 Posted January 20, 2019 (edited) Edited January 20, 2019 by Deranged Rhino 2 2
3rdnlng Posted January 20, 2019 Posted January 20, 2019 11 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: I'll play on this one. I don't get it. Enlighten me. Everything that actually takes some thought is above his pay grade. 2
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