Any Buyer's Remorse From Teams That Drafted QB in Round 1?

[JerseyBills]

Am i the only one that feels Jackson is basically Tyrod 2.0? I don't even know his passing numbers, just really based on watching Allen and him in the pass game and he is extremely limited as far as making reads and completing passes. While he has won 3 of 4 games, that's in large part to the defense and his very very good running ability and Greg Roman using his legs to give him very easy reads and throws. Allen needs work but i'd be confident saying he's on another level passing than Jackson , i just think Jackson is that limited...

[corta765]

54 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Josh Rosen making the most of makeshift offensive line

 

There’s a reason many NFL teams don’t want to play rookie quarterbacks.

 

But the Cardinals have taken the problems with protecting theirs to a ridiculous extreme.

 

When left tackle D.J. Humphries was lost for the rest of the season to a knee injury, he became their sixth offensive lineman to go on injured reserve this season. That includes the entire projected starting five on the offensive line, a trend that began when center A.Q. Shipley was lost for the year in a preseason scrimmage.

 

“We can’t worry about what we don’t have at this time of the year,” Cardinals coach Steve Wilks said, via Bob McManaman of the Arizona Republic. “We just have to go out and execute.”

 

Of course, standing first-round pick Josh Rosen in front of a firing squad of replacement blockers might not be the best plan. Rosen has been sacked 26 times, including 23 in the last seven weeks.

 

So despite the fact that Shipley, Humphries, Justin Pugh, Mike Iupati, John Wetzel, and Jeremy Vujnovich are on IR, they’re proceeding as best they can. They also cut veteran tackle Andre Smith because he was playing poorly, continuing the revolving door.

 

For the record, their starting offensive line at the moment is as follows: Seventh-round rookie left tackle Korey Cunningham, sixth-round rookie left guard Colby Gossett (who they signed off the Vikings practice squad), third-round rookie center Mason Cole, journeyman right guard Oday Aboushi, and right tackle Will Holden, a second-year player who was in camp with them, was cut, and was on the Saints’ and Colts’ practice squads this year.

 

Oh def not denying he has been thrown to the slaughter which is also why I would have some buyers remorse if I was AZ. QB's get ruined getting hit that much and you need to have a pretty progressive scheme to make up for line deficiencies if your QB is to have any hope. Zona has neither there whereas at least Daboll tries to scheme despite his issues which has bought Allen time at points. The other thing is Allen is big you know what size wise and can take hits more then Rosen who has shown some injury issues in the past.

 

Still a ton of time for Rosen and a lot can change over an offseason, but that looks like a really bad fit unless they switch coach and OC this offseason because he will die again next year. 

[Flip Johnson]

4 minutes ago, JerseyBills said:

Am i the only one that feels Jackson is basically Tyrod 2.0? I don't even know his passing numbers, just really based on watching Allen and him in the pass game and he is extremely limited as far as making reads and completing passes. While he has won 3 of 4 games, that's in large part to the defense and his very very good running ability and Greg Roman using his legs to give him very easy reads and throws. Allen needs work but i'd be confident saying he's on another level passing than Jackson , i just think Jackson is that limited...

 

Jackson is a little bigger and just as fast as Tyrod. And Tyrod could go 11-5 with Baltimore's defense.

[corta765]

54 minutes ago, SCBills said:

I'd be worried if I was a Cardinals fan.  Rosen was supposedly the most pro-ready and he's been pretty unimpressive.  As for the OL excuse.. It's not like Allen and Darnold have good lines. Buffalo could very well have 4 new starters on the OL next year. 

 

The other thing is this offseason Arizona is going to be competing against BUF/NYJ for line help and weapons. If you are a free agent do you want to play with the guy who was killed all season in the desert that has virtually no weapons or go to BUF/NYJ where both have young QB's that have shown some real promise at points that have some pieces on offense that you can join not be the only piece.

 

If I was a Cards fan I would be incredibly worried. BUF/NYJ could both mimic the Rams/Bears given each have a bit to work with on offense, I would not have much faith with the GM issues, coach uncertainty, and overall lack of talent across the board that my team can fix that much.

[Teddy KGB]

1 hour ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Josh Rosen making the most of makeshift offensive line

 

There’s a reason many NFL teams don’t want to play rookie quarterbacks.

 

But the Cardinals have taken the problems with protecting theirs to a ridiculous extreme.

 

When left tackle D.J. Humphries was lost for the rest of the season to a knee injury, he became their sixth offensive lineman to go on injured reserve this season. That includes the entire projected starting five on the offensive line, a trend that began when center A.Q. Shipley was lost for the year in a preseason scrimmage.

 

“We can’t worry about what we don’t have at this time of the year,” Cardinals coach Steve Wilks said, via Bob McManaman of the Arizona Republic. “We just have to go out and execute.”

 

Of course, standing first-round pick Josh Rosen in front of a firing squad of replacement blockers might not be the best plan. Rosen has been sacked 26 times, including 23 in the last seven weeks.

 

So despite the fact that Shipley, Humphries, Justin Pugh, Mike Iupati, John Wetzel, and Jeremy Vujnovich are on IR, they’re proceeding as best they can. They also cut veteran tackle Andre Smith because he was playing poorly, continuing the revolving door.

 

For the record, their starting offensive line at the moment is as follows: Seventh-round rookie left tackle Korey Cunningham, sixth-round rookie left guard Colby Gossett (who they signed off the Vikings practice squad), third-round rookie center Mason Cole, journeyman right guard Oday Aboushi, and right tackle Will Holden, a second-year player who was in camp with them, was cut, and was on the Saints’ and Colts’ practice squads this year.

 

Stans for Rosen and Taylor.  

 

Won’t Stan for Allen ?    

 

But why ? 

[26CornerBlitz]

5 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said:

 

Stans for Rosen and Taylor.  

 

Won’t Stan for Allen ?    

 

But why ? 

 

Try paying attention for once before posting.  Do any of your posts not have the name Taylor in them? 

[Teddy KGB]

1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Try paying attention for once before posting.  Do any of your posts not have the name Taylor in them? 

 

Spare the theatrics.    Answer the question ??

[26CornerBlitz]

1 minute ago, Teddy KGB said:

 

Spare the theatrics.    Answer the question ??

 

Read my posts on Allen and you won't ask questions or make declarations based on falsehoods.  Know don't think. 

[BigAL]

With the #1 and #4 picks, I still think Cleveland made a mistake in not drafting Barkley first, and then taking whichever top QB was left at #4.

[Ramza86]

1 hour ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

No he doesn't. He has the worst OL that has been decimated by injury and no weapons besides David Johnson and Fitz. Chritian Kirk is out for the season BTW. 

 

They got a pretty crappy Oline...but ill tell you we got a pretty crappy oline too. On par with the Cardinals. 

If Rosen played on this team hed be a corpse. 

[Teddy KGB]

11 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Read my posts on Allen and you won't ask questions or make declarations based on falsehoods.  Know don't think. 

 

You’re not Daniel Jeremiah, I don’t need a bibliography of your bad takes ?. 

 

Sorry for asking.    Rosen and Taylor are clearly better QBs that wobbly balls Allen 

[Dopey]

It is a little early for buyers remorse, but I would be worried about Rosen and concussion issues. Other than that, they all have shown enough to warrant starting next year. Even Jackson.

[downunderbill]

Mayfield is definitely the best of the bunch, but he and Jackson have far more talent around them than the other 3. A question to re-visit about this time next year for sure.

[26CornerBlitz]

1 minute ago, Teddy KGB said:

 

You’re not Daniel Jeremiah, I don’t need a bibliography of your bad takes ?. 

 

Sorry for asking.    Rosen and Taylor are clearly better QBs that wobbly balls Allen 

 

You are posting your typical useless drivel with Taylor included of course. Your crusade is tired and boring. 

6 minutes ago, Ramza86 said:

 

They got a pretty crappy Oline...but ill tell you we got a pretty crappy oline too. On par with the Cardinals. 

If Rosen played on this team hed be a corpse. 

 

I'd take the Bills' OL over theirs every time as bad as it is. 

[Big Turk]

2 hours ago, Flip Johnson said:

Who, if any, of the five teams who drafted rookie QBs in the first round are experiencing some buyer's remorse and/or paranoia that they might have messed up?

 

I'm granting that none of the rookie QBs are finished products or lost causes and that they could all benefit from more weapons, better offensive infrastructure, etc.

 

I think the consensus right now would be:

 

1. I think Browns fans feel mostly great about Mayfield and are just excited about the 2019 coaching staff and how Mayfield could continue to develop. 

 

2. Jets fans feel semi-optimistic about Sam Darnold, but are more than a little concerned with his penchant to turn the ball over along with the possibility that maybe they should have taken Josh Allen instead.

 

3. Bills fans have a touch of fear from the past twenty years, but in general, feel really optimistic that JA is a budding superstar.

 

4. Arizona fans are hoping for weapons, coaching, etc., but have to be wondering if they really messed up on the Rosen pick. Fear level should be high here as he just doesn't seem to have the physicality or the playmaking ability anywhere near the other four QBs.

 

5. Don't know how Baltimore fans couldn't feel great about Lamar Jackson. Sustainability is a long term question but he has given them a spark and an identity.

 

Side note: I am THRILLED the Pats did not draft Jackson. 

Additional note: The teams that put off the QB search like the Pats or the teams that middled it with later round picks (Giants with Lauletta, Steelers with Rudolph, Jaguars with Tanner Lee) have a lot to think about, because those look like wasted picks at this point, and there search for the future has not progressed.

 

Arizona din't mess up the Rosen pick, they wanted Allen and settled for Rosen

[thebandit27]

8 minutes ago, Ramza86 said:

 

They got a pretty crappy Oline...but ill tell you we got a pretty crappy oline too. On par with the Cardinals. 

If Rosen played on this team hed be a corpse. 

 

FWIW, according to Football Outsiders, here's how the rookie QB's respective OLs rank:

 

https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol

 

Mayfield (Cle) - 21st in adjusted line yards, 19th in adjusted sack rate

Darnold (NJJ) - 30th in adjusted line yards, 13th in adjusted sack rate

Allen (Buf) - 29th in adjusted line yards, 27th in adjusted sack rate

Rosen (Ari) - 20th in adjusted line yards, 20th in adjusted sack rate

Jackson (Bal) - 11th in adjusted line yards, 5th in adjusted sack rate

 

By their numbers, Allen is working with the worst OL, and Jackson is working with the best.

Edited December 11, 2018 by thebandit27

[Success]

I think this QB class is as advertised.  It will be remembered as the best in years - not unlike the Kelly, Marino, Elway draft.

 

 

[Magox]

12 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

 

FWIW, according to Football Outsiders, here's how the rookie QB's respective OLs rank:

 

https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol

 

Mayfield (Cle) - 21st in adjusted line yards, 19th in adjusted sack rate

Darnold (NJJ) - 30th in adjusted line yards, 13th in adjusted sack rate

Allen (Buf) - 29th in adjusted line yards, 27th in adjusted sack rate

Rosen (Ari) - 20th in adjusted line yards, 20th in adjusted sack rate

Jackson (Bal) - 11th in adjusted line yards, 5th in adjusted sack rate

 

By their numbers, Allen is working with the worst OL, and Jackson is working with the best.

 

It is true that Rosen has had the most injuries to his front 5 but it's hard to argue that Buffalo's line is better than Arizona's.  Allen gets pressured more than any other QB, not only do the stats back that up in many metrics but all we have to do is see for ourselves, Allen literally drops back, looks looks and BAM!!! Pass pressure comes in.

[snamsnoops]

2 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Josh Rosen making the most of makeshift offensive line

 

There’s a reason many NFL teams don’t want to play rookie quarterbacks.

 

But the Cardinals have taken the problems with protecting theirs to a ridiculous extreme.

 

When left tackle D.J. Humphries was lost for the rest of the season to a knee injury, he became their sixth offensive lineman to go on injured reserve this season. That includes the entire projected starting five on the offensive line, a trend that began when center A.Q. Shipley was lost for the year in a preseason scrimmage.

 

“We can’t worry about what we don’t have at this time of the year,” Cardinals coach Steve Wilks said, via Bob McManaman of the Arizona Republic. “We just have to go out and execute.”

 

Of course, standing first-round pick Josh Rosen in front of a firing squad of replacement blockers might not be the best plan. Rosen has been sacked 26 times, including 23 in the last seven weeks.

 

So despite the fact that Shipley, Humphries, Justin Pugh, Mike Iupati, John Wetzel, and Jeremy Vujnovich are on IR, they’re proceeding as best they can. They also cut veteran tackle Andre Smith because he was playing poorly, continuing the revolving door.

 

For the record, their starting offensive line at the moment is as follows: Seventh-round rookie left tackle Korey Cunningham, sixth-round rookie left guard Colby Gossett (who they signed off the Vikings practice squad), third-round rookie center Mason Cole, journeyman right guard Oday Aboushi, and right tackle Will Holden, a second-year player who was in camp with them, was cut, and was on the Saints’ and Colts’ practice squads this year.

That is Ruff!

[PolishPrince]

1 hour ago, JerseyBills said:

Am i the only one that feels Jackson is basically Tyrod 2.0? I don't even know his passing numbers, just really based on watching Allen and him in the pass game and he is extremely limited as far as making reads and completing passes. While he has won 3 of 4 games, that's in large part to the defense and his very very good running ability and Greg Roman using his legs to give him very easy reads and throws. Allen needs work but i'd be confident saying he's on another level passing than Jackson , i just think Jackson is that limited...

100% agreed, I cant believe people think he is a decent passer. I have yet to see throws out of him like we have seen out of Allen. Yes Allen is still playing "backyard football." However he has also made some big league impressive throws when given time in the pocket. Jackson only throws to wide open guys and usually after moving the pocket around.

I also dont understand how some think Jackson has limited supporting cast. He has the next best running game after Mayfield to support him... And John Brown, Snead, and Crabtree to throw to.

47 minutes ago, Magox said:

 

It is true that Rosen has had the most injuries to his front 5 but it's hard to argue that Buffalo's line is better than Arizona's.  Allen gets pressured more than any other QB, not only do the stats back that up in many metrics but all we have to do is see for ourselves, Allen literally drops back, looks looks and BAM!!! Pass pressure comes in.

The sad part is, is you are 100% correct yet people still go "Allen needs to stop running!" Lol his biggest hits have come from being in the pocket (including his injury)