McDermott is going to cost us in a big game

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

3 minutes ago, reddogblitz said:

 

I disagree.

 

there were several other years throughout the drought where 9-7 could get us in but we never even got close.  McDermott got more out of the team than the sum of it's parts unlike his predecessor who got less.  Drought could have been ended in 2004 or 2014 if those teams had been able to knuckle under and get a big win down the stretch like Coach McDermott's team did in 2018 winning 5 out of the last 7 games including a win over playoff bound KC.

 

2004 team lost to the Steelers scrubs and 2004 team lost to 2-14 Raiders.  That's the difference.

 

give the man his due cred IMHO.

 

 

 

...with 2019 draft capital and FA $$$, BOTH McBeane and McDermott will be on center stage in this perhaps greatest pivotal year in the last decade or perhaps the Polian era....add in a SERIOUS review of certain coaching positions as well......leave that off the table and they shoot themselves in the foot, eroding credibility IMO...so stay tuned....no excuses and no place to hide...

[SoTier]

On 12/10/2018 at 11:02 AM, HomeskillitMoorman said:

From having an injured kicker go for a 54 yarder to the 2 runs on 1st and 2nd at the Jets 23 on the second to last drive...this conservative garbage is so incredibly frustrating. I just don't understand it. Is the point of the game to keep it close or to go for the win? Even when we're 4-8 the guy just won't go for it. Give Allen more than 1 shot on that set of downs to make a play. Stop playing for a field goal. 

 

You can see this coming a mile away, sometime in the future if we make it back to the playoffs, his brutal gameday management and conservativeness is going to bite us hard at the end of a game. 

 

 

 

I would agree if I thought that the Bills would actually be in a big game at some point under McDermott but I just don't see that happening. 

2 hours ago, HOUSE said:

I have no real problem with McD. He simply does not trust the players on the field THIS YEAR.

There are no money WRs on this team

 

LOL.   McDermott has nobody to blame for that except the guy staring back at him in the bathroom mirror every morning.  Maybe he should bring back the one player on the Bills THIS YEAR that he did trust: Nate Peterman.

[PlayoffsPlease]

8 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

I agree that McD is a conservative coach

 

You know what conservative coaches do?  They run the ball

 

You know what we cant do?  Run the ball

 

A HUGE part of the problem

Josh Allen seems good at running the ball. 

[McNubbins]

He really needs to figure some stuff out.  Has he won a single challenge this year?

[Formerly Allan in MD]

Once the refs learn you're penalty prone, you're in deep with them.  You have to be ultra cautious, which can hurt you in many ways.  Rex started the train rolling and Mc (and his assistants) doesn't seem to know how to brake it.  

[John from Riverside]

1 hour ago, PlayoffsPlease said:

Josh Allen seems good at running the ball. 

If only we were not paying millions of dollars to other guys to do that......

[Nitro]

This game was frustrating to watch.  Top 2 backs injured and you still try to run behind this poor run blocking line when you had the ball on the Jets 23.  Poor awareness.  Have a better set of routes in the red zone.   

[formerlyofCtown]

He think maybe he gets flagged for clapping too much.  Excessive celibration maybe.

On 12/10/2018 at 11:02 AM, HomeskillitMoorman said:

From having an injured kicker go for a 54 yarder to the 2 runs on 1st and 2nd at the Jets 23 on the second to last drive...this conservative garbage is so incredibly frustrating. I just don't understand it. Is the point of the game to keep it close or to go for the win? Even when we're 4-8 the guy just won't go for it. Give Allen more than 1 shot on that set of downs to make a play. Stop playing for a field goal. 

 

You can see this coming a mile away, sometime in the future if we make it back to the playoffs, his brutal gameday management and conservativeness is going to bite us hard at the end of a game. 

 

 

Doesnt our QB lead the league in Air yards per attempt.  Do you consider taking a lot of shots down the field conservative.

[KD in CA]

3 hours ago, SoTier said:

 

I would agree if I thought that the Bills would actually be in a big game at some point under McDermott but I just don't see that happening. 

 

LOL.   McDermott has nobody to blame for that except the guy staring back at him in the bathroom mirror every morning.  Maybe he should bring back the one player on the Bills THIS YEAR that he did trust: Nate Peterman.

 

Seriously.  If you don't count the must win game last year in week 17 and the playoff game the following week, he hasn't had the Bills in a SINGLE big game in almost two YEARS!!   I can't believe they haven't fired him yet.

[Bing Bong]

6 hours ago, HOUSE said:

I have no real problem with McD. He simply does not trust the players on the field THIS YEAR.

There are no money WRs on this team

Absolutely. And why should he?

 

Has a lot of merits. Great defensive mind for this era of football.

 

Then again if we're buying to the argument he's running personnell as well (which I sincerely hope not) then yeah.. he's digging his own grave.

6 minutes ago, KD in CA said:

 

Seriously.  If you don't count the must win game last year in week 17 and the playoff game the following week, he hasn't had the Bills in a SINGLE big game in almost two YEARS!!   I can't believe they haven't fired him yet.

I can't let the Chargers game slide. I'll chalk up the Peterman experience to a former DC making a rookie HC mistake with a QB. But boy that's a major screw up last year I never want to see again. If we bench Allen after a few bad games for god knows who the next late draft QB he falls in love with at some point he ain't learning.

Edited December 12, 2018 by PetermanThrew5Picks

[KD in CA]

10 minutes ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said:

Then again if we're buying to the argument he's running personnell as well (which I sincerely hope not) then yeah.. he's digging his own grave.

I can't let the Chargers game slide. I'll chalk up the Peterman experience to a former DC making a rookie HC mistake with a QB. But boy that's a major screw up last year I never want to see again. If we bench Allen after a few bad games for god knows who the next late draft QB he falls in love with at some point he ain't learning.

 

Eh.  Everyone likes to forget how bad the team, the offense and Tyrod where playing at that point.   McD saw the season slipping away and thought he'd take a chance.  It didn't work, he went back to Taylor, the defense delivered a couple wins and the season ended on a high note.  Hooray.

 

The Peterman thing was overrated by hysterical Bills fans.

[Bing Bong]

14 minutes ago, KD in CA said:

 

Eh.  Everyone likes to forget how bad the team, the offense and Tyrod where playing at that point.   McD saw the season slipping away and thought he'd take a chance.  It didn't work, he went back to Taylor, the defense delivered a couple wins and the season ended on a high note.  Hooray.

 

The Peterman thing was overrated by hysterical Bills fans.

Sure. But it's simply a mistake. And I'm talking about the whole Peterman tenure.. like starting him this season. It's a stretch to call that overrated or hysterical.. I guess I'd agree if you're talking about a few people calling for his head. It's not a huge deal but it was dumb.

 

Anyways that was an important game we threw. Just saying this can't happen when we are in a playoff race again. Hindsight's 20/20 and all but watch your doe eyed, questionable decision making, noodle arm, rookie QB practice as you game plan for an Irvin and Bosa pass rush on the road next time McD and maybe carry a better backup.. last year AND this year.

 

ALL rookie mistakes. I'm okay with a rookie HC mistake (as he certainly has merits) I hope he fixes and doesn't repeat.

Edited December 12, 2018 by PetermanThrew5Picks

[Buffalo Barbarian]

Right after we win Super Bowls

[Apocalypse Nuts]

On 12/10/2018 at 11:02 AM, HomeskillitMoorman said:

From having an injured kicker go for a 54 yarder to the 2 runs on 1st and 2nd at the Jets 23 on the second to last drive...this conservative garbage is so incredibly frustrating. I just don't understand it. Is the point of the game to keep it close or to go for the win? Even when we're 4-8 the guy just won't go for it. Give Allen more than 1 shot on that set of downs to make a play. Stop playing for a field goal. 

 

You can see this coming a mile away, sometime in the future if we make it back to the playoffs, his brutal gameday management and conservativeness is going to bite us hard at the end of a game. 

 

 

What a great analysis!  You really know what's going on.  Please be sure to fill out an application for head coach a.s.a.p.!  I think you can really turn things around!   It sounds like you have a great playbook and the offensive brain the fix everything.  Seriously, why are you not the head coach already?

 

Or maybe we should bring back Rex and his twin?  Marrone will be in need of a job as well.  What say you oh wise one?

Edited December 12, 2018 by Generic Screen Name 2

[SoTier]

9 hours ago, KD in CA said:

 

Seriously.  If you don't count the must win game last year in week 17 and the playoff game the following week, he hasn't had the Bills in a SINGLE big game in almost two YEARS!!   I can't believe they haven't fired him yet.

 

I was willing to give McDermott the benefit of the doubt after last season, but looking at this season objectively, he deserves to be fired:

• the Bills were butt-whipped 47-3 by the Ravens in the season opener; shut out 22-0 by the Packers; blown out by the Colts 37-5; drubbed by the Pats 25-6; and mauled by the Bears 41-9;
• they only lost by 11 to the Chargers because Anthony Lynn pulled his starters in the second half;
• the Bills beat Tennessee with Titans' QB Marcus Mariotta playing with a bad elbow;
• they were competitive with the Texans only because Deshaun Watson was playing with a partially collapsed lung;
• the Bills' biggest win came because they caught the Jets with Darnold still injured;
• they beat the Vikings in a classic trap game and caught the Jags in disarray.

IMO, Josh Allen's surprisingly decent play for a rookie QB has been all that's saved McDermott's butt, although McDermott deserves little credit for that.  McDermott didn't even bring in a bonafide QB coach for the supposedly prize rookie.  What the hell does that say about how much the current regime values Allen no matter the propaganda line the Bills spin? The entire handling of the QB situation, which I've complained about repeatedly all season, simply underscores the McDermott/Beane regime's incompetence for building a winning NFL team.  

 

I will also add that I thought that McDermott's insistence on keeping Peterman on the roster for so long while they dithered about getting a competent backup QB was needlessly cruel.  Peterman was definitely not a NFL caliber player but there was no excuse for continually putting him in situations where his lack of talent constantly exposed him to national public ridicule. 

Edited December 12, 2018 by SoTier

[Apocalypse Nuts]

47 minutes ago, SoTier said:

 

I was willing to give McDermott the benefit of the doubt after last season, but looking at this season objectively, he deserves to be fired:

• the Bills were butt-whipped 47-3 by the Ravens in the season opener; shut out 22-0 by the Packers; blown out by the Colts 37-5; drubbed by the Pats 25-6; and mauled by the Bears 41-9;
• they only lost by 11 to the Chargers because Anthony Lynn pulled his starters in the second half;
• the Bills beat Tennessee with Titans' QB Marcus Mariotta playing with a bad elbow;
• they were competitive with the Texans only because Deshaun Watson was playing with a partially collapsed lung;
• the Bills' biggest win came because they caught the Jets with Darnold still injured;
• they beat the Vikings in a classic trap game and caught the Jags in disarray.

IMO, Josh Allen's surprisingly decent play for a rookie QB has been all that's saved McDermott's butt, although McDermott deserves little credit for that.  McDermott didn't even bring in a bonafide QB coach for the supposedly prize rookie.  What the hell does that say about how much the current regime values Allen no matter the propaganda line the Bills spin? The entire handling of the QB situation, which I've complained about repeatedly all season, simply underscores the McDermott/Beane regime's incompetence for building a winning NFL team.  

 

I will also add that I thought that McDermott's insistence on keeping Peterman on the roster for so long while they dithered about getting a competent backup QB was needlessly cruel.  Peterman was definitely not a NFL caliber player but there was no excuse for continually putting him in situations where his lack of talent constantly exposed him to national public ridicule. 

 

Give me a friggin break.  Do you expect him to be a miracle worker?  I'm truly astonished at the unbelievably unrealistic expectations you and so many other Bills fans have.  Can you not take into account the massive rebuild going on right now?  McDermott getting even a single win out of this team this year is amazing.  WTF do you all expect?  And who the hell do you propose to replace him with that will be this miracle working savior you envision?  Sorry, but that coach does not exist.  

 

I really need to stop reading this stupid message board forever.  It's full of pissing and moaning from people who have no concept of what a full rebuild is like.  I truly think you all would be perfectly happy with 8-8, 7-8, whatever records forever rather than go through the pain and misery that must come with a full rebuild.  They're tearing it down and building it back up so it can be a true contender, not perennial pretender we've all suffered with the over two decades now. 

Edited December 12, 2018 by Generic Screen Name 2

[row_33]

6 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

Right after we win Super Bowls

 

 

all those big games coming up.... ?

 

 

[JoshAllenHasBigHands]

3 hours ago, SoTier said:

 

I was willing to give McDermott the benefit of the doubt after last season, but looking at this season objectively, he deserves to be fired:

• the Bills were butt-whipped 47-3 by the Ravens in the season opener; shut out 22-0 by the Packers; blown out by the Colts 37-5; drubbed by the Pats 25-6; and mauled by the Bears 41-9;
• they only lost by 11 to the Chargers because Anthony Lynn pulled his starters in the second half;
• the Bills beat Tennessee with Titans' QB Marcus Mariotta playing with a bad elbow;
• they were competitive with the Texans only because Deshaun Watson was playing with a partially collapsed lung;
• the Bills' biggest win came because they caught the Jets with Darnold still injured;
• they beat the Vikings in a classic trap game and caught the Jags in disarray.

IMO, Josh Allen's surprisingly decent play for a rookie QB has been all that's saved McDermott's butt, although McDermott deserves little credit for that.  McDermott didn't even bring in a bonafide QB coach for the supposedly prize rookie.  What the hell does that say about how much the current regime values Allen no matter the propaganda line the Bills spin? The entire handling of the QB situation, which I've complained about repeatedly all season, simply underscores the McDermott/Beane regime's incompetence for building a winning NFL team.  

 

I will also add that I thought that McDermott's insistence on keeping Peterman on the roster for so long while they dithered about getting a competent backup QB was needlessly cruel.  Peterman was definitely not a NFL caliber player but there was no excuse for continually putting him in situations where his lack of talent constantly exposed him to national public ridicule. 

 

I'm not sure you know what that word means. 

[KD in CA]

3 hours ago, SoTier said:

 

I was willing to give McDermott the benefit of the doubt after last season, but looking at this season objectively, he deserves to be fired:

• the Bills were butt-whipped 47-3 by the Ravens in the season opener; shut out 22-0 by the Packers; blown out by the Colts 37-5; drubbed by the Pats 25-6; and mauled by the Bears 41-9;
• they only lost by 11 to the Chargers because Anthony Lynn pulled his starters in the second half;
• the Bills beat Tennessee with Titans' QB Marcus Mariotta playing with a bad elbow;
• they were competitive with the Texans only because Deshaun Watson was playing with a partially collapsed lung;
• the Bills' biggest win came because they caught the Jets with Darnold still injured;
• they beat the Vikings in a classic trap game and caught the Jags in disarray.

IMO, Josh Allen's surprisingly decent play for a rookie QB has been all that's saved McDermott's butt, although McDermott deserves little credit for that.  McDermott didn't even bring in a bonafide QB coach for the supposedly prize rookie.  What the hell does that say about how much the current regime values Allen no matter the propaganda line the Bills spin? The entire handling of the QB situation, which I've complained about repeatedly all season, simply underscores the McDermott/Beane regime's incompetence for building a winning NFL team.  

 

I will also add that I thought that McDermott's insistence on keeping Peterman on the roster for so long while they dithered about getting a competent backup QB was needlessly cruel.  Peterman was definitely not a NFL caliber player but there was no excuse for continually putting him in situations where his lack of talent constantly exposed him to national public ridicule. 

 

Wow, so gracious of you to give a guy the 'benefit of the doubt' after making the playoffs in his first year.  But I can certainly see how squeaking by Tennessee and winning games against teams that were not each playing their single best game of the season with completely healthy rosters is a fireable offense!     

 

If this is straight out trolling, kudos.  Sadly, I don't think it is.

[C.Biscuit97]

19 hours ago, Nextmanup said:

I guess you are talking about the playoff game.

 

You seem to suggest McDermott has distinguished himself with some sort of accomplishment no other Bills coach has been able to achieve this century.  

 

McD's 9-7 record is no different than Mularkey's in 2004 or Doug Marrone's in 2014.

 

McD lucked out with factors totally outside of his control and beyond the scope of his personal achievements in a way that Mularkey and Marrone did not, so McD gets the playoff game and those guys didn't.

 

Doesn't make McD any better than your typical Bills 7-9, 8-8, 9-7 fare IMO. 

 

That's where this organization has lived forever.

 

The playoff appearance is greatly overblown around here, along with lots of other things.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I think your post makes a lot of sense.  Ending the drought was awesome but that wasn’t a good football team.  This 2004 and 2014 ones were far superior.  McBean are getting another year but they need to show they can build an offense.