Just Joshin' Posted December 9, 2018 Posted December 9, 2018 6 hours ago, BillsFan1988 said: Wouldn't u like to have Ebron now? I was hoping the Bills would of signed him last offseason. At the end of last yr he played very well in the last 4gms. TEs usually take 3 to 4 yrs to develop into difference makers Ebron has followed in Vernon Davis career arch. I expect the same if we draft any TE this yr. Especially if its Fant. I agree with this pk if we hit on Fant then the sky is the limit for this offense moving forward. Most elite offenses have dynamic TEs that are matchup nightmares. It would be stupid to draft a player who needs 3-4 years to develop in the first round. Top 10 players should make an immediate impact unless a QB.
Seoulofstone Posted December 9, 2018 Posted December 9, 2018 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Just Joshin' said: It would be stupid to draft a player who needs 3-4 years to develop in the first round. Top 10 players should make an immediate impact unless a QB. This assumes that it’s complete given that all TEs take 4 years to develop. Just because someone says it on the thread doesn’t make it a fact. OJ Howard, Kittle are 2 recent TEs making significant immediate impact. Of course statistically it’s possible even likely. But Fant can stretch the field as well as a WR. There isn’t a player drafted who doesn’t come with risk. Perhaps a less risky alternative is taking a FA like Tyler Kroft and drafting a sleeper TE like Alize Mack later on. It’s reasonable to say there are plenty of holes on this roster, but a reliable TE outlet would really help JA’s development. Edited December 9, 2018 by Seoul_panther
schoolhouserock Posted December 9, 2018 Posted December 9, 2018 I am a huge Iowa Hawkeyes fan. The Bills need to stay away from Fant.
mannc Posted December 9, 2018 Posted December 9, 2018 7 hours ago, BillsFan1988 said: TEs usually take 3 to 4 yrs to develop into difference makers Ebron has followed in Vernon Davis career arch. I expect the same if we draft any TE this yr. Especially if its Fant. I agree with this pk if we hit on Fant then the sky is the limit for this offense moving forward. Most elite offenses have dynamic TEs that are matchup nightmares. Great, so we draft a TE in the first round, and it takes him “3 to 4 yrs to develop into a difference maker”, just as his rookie deal is expiring. You don’t see a problem with that? No to Fant in rd 1.
The Now Moment Posted December 9, 2018 Posted December 9, 2018 4 hours ago, Seoul_panther said: I agree with this. DK Metcalf is the stand out , but he comes with risk due to lack of production and ending his college career injured. I like Harmon but not high in the 1st. Fant as a weapon/release valve for JA, projects just as well as any WR and is equally a position of need. He can’t block so isn’t the complete package but trading back he would be an option. A clear upgrade over CC who could grow with JA. Agreed. He's your receiving tight end. That speed with those hands at that position is tough to guard for any defense. If we are looking to become a top flight offense like they say they want to, you need a tight end that can make plays too. All of the top teams have them. Deep class at wide receiver, could look later in the class.
TroutDog Posted December 9, 2018 Posted December 9, 2018 24 minutes ago, Just Joshin' said: It would be stupid to draft a player who needs 3-4 years to develop in the first round. Top 10 players should make an immediate impact unless a QB. So no pass catchers at all? As I mentioned previously, almost all HOF WR’s took 3-5 years to develop. One must look at reality.
MrEpsYtown Posted December 9, 2018 Posted December 9, 2018 4 hours ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said: Saying that, you now know they'll pick a defensive lineman... ????????? ? You know it's going to be a defensive tackle or Josh Allen. 7 hours ago, BillsFan1988 said: Wouldn't u like to have Ebron now? I was hoping the Bills would of signed him last offseason. At the end of last yr he played very well in the last 4gms. TEs usually take 3 to 4 yrs to develop into difference makers Ebron has followed in Vernon Davis career arch. I expect the same if we draft any TE this yr. Especially if its Fant. I agree with this pk if we hit on Fant then the sky is the limit for this offense moving forward. Most elite offenses have dynamic TEs that are matchup nightmares. Id love to have Enron sure. What I don't want is a projection tight end that I pick in the top ten who is non existent for four years, so I reject his 5th year option and he goes on to a new team where he actually makes an impact. Id rather be the team who signs Fant in 4 years as a FA.
BillsFan1988 Posted December 10, 2018 Posted December 10, 2018 19 hours ago, mannc said: Great, so we draft a TE in the first round, and it takes him “3 to 4 yrs to develop into a difference maker”, just as his rookie deal is expiring. You don’t see a problem with that? No to Fant in rd 1. This meaning by yr 3 or 4 he's a difference maker. So your looking at his first 2yrs where he will not bust with his talent he will make plays still just wont be dominate most likely. Someone mentioned OJ Howard here i see Fant doing what he has done in his first 2 seasons. Which is flash at times and at others wont. But next season is Howards 3rd yr i fully expect him to take that step up to dominate elite status TE.
schoolhouserock Posted December 10, 2018 Posted December 10, 2018 (edited) 46 minutes ago, BillsFan1988 said: This meaning by yr 3 or 4 he's a difference maker. So your looking at his first 2yrs where he will not bust with his talent he will make plays still just wont be dominate most likely. Someone mentioned OJ Howard here i see Fant doing what he has done in his first 2 seasons. Which is flash at times and at others wont. But next season is Howards 3rd yr i fully expect him to take that step up to dominate elite status TE. Fant played scared most of this season. That’s a major red flag. As a Hawkeye fan, I cringe to think that this team could have been in the B1G championship game if a guy with Fant’s skill actually wants to be on the field. One additional comment... Fant wasn’t even the best TE on his team - TJ Hockenson is the better TE and is very similar to a George Kittle. Edited December 10, 2018 by schoolhouserock 2
BillsFan1988 Posted December 10, 2018 Posted December 10, 2018 22 minutes ago, schoolhouserock said: Fant played scared most of this season. That’s a major red flag. As a Hawkeye fan, I cringe to think that this team could have been in the B1G championship game if a guy with Fant’s skill actually wants to be on the field. One additional comment... Fant wasn’t even the best TE on his team - TJ Hockenson is the better TE and is very similar to a George Kittle. If thats the case then we can get him later in the draft.
Dkollidas Posted December 10, 2018 Posted December 10, 2018 I think it’s a possibility... if we trade down. Which IMO is likely due to 1) the number of needs on offense 2) the lack of elite offensive talent at the top of the draft 3) teams behind us that may reach up for a quarterback (Giants, Bucs, Jags) 4) Beane seems to like to move around the board, and has made it clear that he knows the offense needs to be upgraded. The offensive talent isn’t st the top. It’s drafting smart in the middle. He’ll add picks in order to take more shots.
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