Kemp Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 And Trump says Stone has guts for taking the 5th. Trump thinks taking the 5th shows you're a mobster unless It's an associate of his. Then it shows guts. Sometimes it's too easy picking this guy apart. Not that it's not fun. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prickly Pete Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 Is a new thread needed for every contradiction from a politician? No one cares... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outsidethebox Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 Lamp 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 2 hours ago, OJ Tom said: Is a new thread needed for every contradiction from a politician? No one cares... Newbie looking for attention 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 All these criminals in this administration..,, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kemp Posted December 7, 2018 Author Share Posted December 7, 2018 7 minutes ago, Tiberius said: All these criminals in this administration..,, Criminals tend to hang out with other criminals. Funny how often Trump supporters are forced to look the other way and feign disinterest when it's yet another nail in their leader's coffin. What's scary is that no matter what damning evidence comes out, they will find excuses for it and continue supporting him. There will never be a shortage of idiots. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 So, I guess Lois Lerner must be a criminal. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/lois-lerner-pleads-the-fifth-again-doesnt-testify-on-irs-targeting/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kemp Posted December 7, 2018 Author Share Posted December 7, 2018 The point remains either taking the 5th is or is not an admission of guilt. It doesn't depend upon who your friends are. I don't think it's an admission of guilt. It's a right. Trump' s opinion is that if you like him it's fine. Otherwise it's an admission of guilt. What's your view on the 5th or does it change along the lines of Trump? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 BREAKING NEWS: Politician says contradictory things depending on the situation/audience. Film at 5, 6, 10, and 11. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 13 minutes ago, Kemp said: The point remains either taking the 5th is or is not an admission of guilt. It doesn't depend upon who your friends are. I don't think it's an admission of guilt. It's a right. Trump' s opinion is that if you like him it's fine. Otherwise it's an admission of guilt. What's your view on the 5th or does it change along the lines of Trump? The 5th is an important right. Lois Lerner used it to avoid incriminating herself. I don't think she was worried about a perjury trap while testifying before Congress but she was certainly worried about admitting guilt. Roger Stone may or may not have done something illegal but knew that the only way he could get in trouble would be in a process crime via a perjury trap. He said FU to Mueller and his team by pleading the 5th. Lerner's pleading of the 5th was just a tad different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 2 hours ago, Kemp said: Criminals tend to hang out with other criminals. Funny how often Trump supporters are forced to look the other way and feign disinterest when it's yet another nail in their leader's coffin. What's scary is that no matter what damning evidence comes out, they will find excuses for it and continue supporting him. There will never be a shortage of idiots. Ha ha ha, the damning evidence that has come out every day for the last two years. ”THIS TIME TRUMP IS FINISHED!” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kemp Posted December 7, 2018 Author Share Posted December 7, 2018 2 hours ago, 3rdnlng said: The 5th is an important right. Lois Lerner used it to avoid incriminating herself. I don't think she was worried about a perjury trap while testifying before Congress but she was certainly worried about admitting guilt. Roger Stone may or may not have done something illegal but knew that the only way he could get in trouble would be in a process crime via a perjury trap. He said FU to Mueller and his team by pleading the 5th. Lerner's pleading of the 5th was just a tad different. How do you determine one person is guilty when they plead the 5th and another person might be? You can only be caught committing perjury if you knowingly lie. You can't be trapped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 6 minutes ago, Kemp said: How do you determine one person is guilty when they plead the 5th and another person might be? You can only be caught committing perjury if you knowingly lie. You can't be trapped. You are naïve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kemp Posted December 7, 2018 Author Share Posted December 7, 2018 1 hour ago, BringBackOrton said: Ha ha ha, the damning evidence that has come out every day for the last two years. ”THIS TIME TRUMP IS FINISHED!” I often make the mistake that people understood how investigations work. Expecting evidence from the first day of an investigation shows a distinct lack of understanding of the process. Evidence comes out when findings are presented. You really didn't know that? If there is no evidence, Trump and his supporters can crow about it. Until then we don't know the results of the investigation. I know which way I'm betting. You know which way you are betting, but that we don't have the results yet is only proof of innocence to the less bright and the blanket deniers. Just now, 3rdnlng said: You are naïve. Give me some examples of people who have been wrongly convicted in "perjury traps". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 1 minute ago, Kemp said: I often make the mistake that people understood how investigations work. Expecting evidence from the first day of an investigation shows a distinct lack of understanding of the process. Evidence comes out when findings are presented. You really didn't know that? If there is no evidence, Trump and his supporters can crow about it. Until then we don't know the results of the investigation. I know which way I'm betting. You know which way you are betting, but that we don't have the results yet is only proof of innocence to the less bright and the blanket deniers. This is naive. There are plenty of ways to know how an investigation is going by the filings said investigators make. To date, not a single filing has been made regarding Russian collusion/Treason. Not one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 5 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: To date, not a single filing has been made regarding Russian collusion/Treason. Not one. I wonder how long you will be able to say that for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 1 minute ago, Tiberius said: I wonder how long you will be able to say that for. Until there's evidence showing otherwise. It's been two years. I've devoted a lot of time, effort, and capital into this investigation and still have yet to see anything that makes me even suspect there's fire below all the smoke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 3 minutes ago, Tiberius said: I wonder how long you will be able to say that for. Probably as long as you will still be folding towels at the laundromat. In other words, infinity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kemp Posted December 7, 2018 Author Share Posted December 7, 2018 11 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: This is naive. There are plenty of ways to know how an investigation is going by the filings said investigators make. To date, not a single filing has been made regarding Russian collusion/Treason. Not one. To date means zero. I know you know an investigation works. At least most of your arguments are rational even if I disagree with them, unlike some here who just post angry nonsense. By the way, have you seen the redacted filings? I haven't. Do you think it's even possible that there may be some evidence in Flynn's testimony? We do know from the redacted material that there are at least 2 criminal investigations currently under way. If they only contained evidence of crimes committed by Flynn, Mueller would not have asked for no jail time for him. This does not mean there exists proof of conspiracy or other crimes, but it points to some alleged crimes being committed by people other than Flynn. Since we know that deals are never cut to go after underlings, we know that the target(s) are higher in the food chain than Flynn. The only people I can think of that are higher in this foodchain might be Manafort, Kushner, Don Jr., Ivanka, and the President. It doesn't mean they are guilty, but it absolutely means that someone in that group will be charged with some crime(s). The best argument for your side will be if none of them involve conspiracy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 22 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Until there's evidence showing otherwise. It's been two years. I've devoted a lot of time, effort, and capital into this investigation and still have yet to see anything that makes me even suspect there's fire below all the smoke. If there is evidence, Mueller has it. All these cooperating witnesses must have something to say. Trump wanted that hotel, but sanctions were preventing it, so Russia helped Trump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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