Bills have released Kelvin Benjamin and Andre Holmes

[BringBackOrton]

10 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

See, you just did the same thing you accused me of.  I’m constantly praising their defensive player evaluation yet you try to make it like I just trash everything they do.  That’s not true at all.  But my problem is that we have a defensive head coach who is running this franchise.  And if you look at their offensive player evaluation, they have missed far more than they have hit.

 

there was not one good thing about the KB move.  They had him in Carolina. He was fat and got worse every year he was there (and the Panthers played better without him).  So they traded 2 picks for him?  His whole time here was embarrassing but what makes it worse is they should have known it because they had him before.  

 

SM knows defense but please keep him away from the offense.  

The counter is they held on clear mistakes like Peterman and Benjamin longer than they should. 

If they hit on Allen, WGAF if they missed on KB and Coleman?

[John from Riverside]

1 minute ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

See, you just did the same thing you accused me of.  I’m constantly praising their defensive player evaluation yet you try to make it like I just trash everything they do.  That’s not true at all.  But my problem is that we have a defensive head coach who is running this franchise.  And if you look at their offensive player evaluation, they have missed far more than they have hit.

 

there was not one good thing about the KB move.  They had him in Carolina. He was fat and got worse every year he was there (and the Panthers played better without him).  So they traded 2 picks for him?  His whole time here was embarrassing but what makes it worse is they should have known it because they had him before.  

 

SM knows defense but please keep him away from the offense.  

The counter is they held on clear mistakes like Peterman and Benjamin longer than they should. 

On Peterman.......you have to factor in the injuries that happened at the time as well..   Peterman was just drafted last year and played well in pre season so he was going to be on the roster at the start of this year.....then he had to play and looked terrible....but then we took on injuries........I mean on of these guys is STILL not out of concussion protocal.

 

On KB......the guy has had a 1000 yard season and was a high draft pick.......our wr core is a disaster and we didnt have the cap to go after players this year......it made sense to hold onto him and see if he could turn it around as Josh Allen became more aclimated to the NFL......finally they cut him loose but they DID cut him loose.   The situation with KB is bizaaare because he SHOULD be better then he is because he HAS been better then he is in the past......but it is what it is.

[Magox]

It's like we are living in 2 alternative realities. 

 

You have the delusional Bills fans who believe that Sammy Watkins "Potential" is his actual worth, believing he is some sort of 90 receptions 1400 yard 12 TD per year receiver who deserves to be paid $17 million a year.

 

Then there are the Bills fans who actually are living in the real world and see a guy who has had a lousy attitude, often-injured and has averaged 50 receptions, 700 yards receiving and 6 TD's per year throughout his career who think that you'd have to be a complete moron to believe that the Bills should have paid him elite WR money.

 

 

[BringBackOrton]

7 minutes ago, Magox said:

It's like we are living in 2 alternative realities. 

 

You have the delusional Bills fans who believe that Sammy Watkins "Potential" is his actual worth, believing he is some sort of 90 receptions 1400 yard 12 TD per year receiver who deserves to be paid $17 million a year.

 

Then there are the Bills fans who actually are living in the real world and see a guy who has had a lousy attitude, often-injured and has averaged 50 receptions, 700 yards receiving and 6 TD's per year throughout his career who think that you'd have to be a complete moron to believe that the Bills should have paid him elite WR money.

 

 

We could have not paid Sammy elite money and had him on the roster this year. We then wouldn’t have had to cut his replacement.

[Misterbluesky]

21 hours ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

  Isaih overall better player but has fumble issues/

3 in 15 nfl games,that's a problem.

[BurpleBull]

1 hour ago, Augie said:

 

....and lowering Josh’s completion %. 

 

It’s probably a relief to Zay that he only has to get himself lined up in the right place for a change. 

 

 

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...or blocking Ray-Ray's sunrays.

 

He was enjoying the Miami sun until Benjamin decided to check himself out of the game for a play, and stand directly in front of him on the sideline.

[Kelly the Dog]

28 minutes ago, Magox said:

It's like we are living in 2 alternative realities. 

 

You have the delusional Bills fans who believe that Sammy Watkins "Potential" is his actual worth, believing he is some sort of 90 receptions 1400 yard 12 TD per year receiver who deserves to be paid $17 million a year.

 

Then there are the Bills fans who actually are living in the real world and see a guy who has had a lousy attitude, often-injured and has averaged 50 receptions, 700 yards receiving and 6 TD's per year throughout his career who think that you'd have to be a complete moron to believe that the Bills should have paid him elite WR money.

 

 

The "real world" is Andy Reid is one of the top football minds in the world and decided to pay Sammy Watkins just under 17m a year and you're one of the top three football minds on your couch.

[Andrew Son]

9 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said:

The "real world" is Andy Reid is one of the top football minds in the world and decided to pay Sammy Watkins just under 17m a year and you're one of the top three football minds on your couch.

And Sean McVay didn't...  Is he not a top football mind?

 

I hate this type of lazy logic.  It's like praising every move the Patriots make, because, they're the Patriots.

Edited December 5, 2018 by SWATeam

[Magox]

16 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said:

The "real world" is Andy Reid is one of the top football minds in the world and decided to pay Sammy Watkins just under 17m a year and you're one of the top three football minds on your couch.

The real world is we are the Buffalo Bills and our situation isn't anywhere near the same.

 

 

Not to mention that they are paying $17 million a year for him to be somewhere around 750 yards receiving by the end of year when he just came off a sub 600 yard season.

 

That's the real world

Edited December 5, 2018 by Magox

[Kelly the Dog]

17 minutes ago, SWATeam said:

And Sean McVay didn't...  Is he not a top football mind?

 

I hate this type of lazy logic.  It's like praising every move the Patriots make, because, they're the Patriots.

McVay wanted him. They made an offer. He came out publicly and said several teams were throwing out crazy numbers and they weren't likely to match them.  

12 minutes ago, Magox said:

The real world is we are the Buffalo Bills and our situation isn't anywhere near the same.

 

 

Not to mention that they are paying $17 million a year for him to be somewhere around 750 yards receiving by the end of year when he just came off a sub 600 yard season.

 

That's the real world

I guarantee that McVay was very happy with him last year and that Andy Reid was very happy with him this year, except when he didn't have him.

[Solomon Grundy]

Let the DK Metcalf watch begin!!

[Andrew Son]

3 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said:

McVay wanted him. They made an offer. He came out publicly and said several teams were throwing out crazy numbers and they weren't likely to match them.  

 

So how is this different than the Bills realizing that they weren't going to be willing to match what Sammy would be looking for when he got to free agency?

[HappyDays]

5 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said:

McVay wanted him. They made an offer. He came out publicly and said several teams were throwing out crazy numbers and they weren't likely to match them.  

 

A year after trading a 2nd round pick for Sammy, they let him go to another team, then paid a 1st round pick and a $16.2 million average salary for a different receiver. Whatever McVay said about it, he lied. They could have saved a 1st round pick in exchange for an extra $800,000 in average annual salary. They didn't think Sammy was worth that. And for the record Chiefs fans aren't happy with what he's contributed at all.

[Augie]

43 minutes ago, BurpleBull said:

 

...or blocking Ray-Ray's sunrays.

 

He was enjoying the Miami sun until Benjamin decided to check himself out of the game for a play, and stand directly in front of him on the sideline.

 

Yeah, you gotta love the 6’5” WR who checks himself out in the Red Zone. That’s very telling all by itself. 

[Kelly the Dog]

1 minute ago, SWATeam said:

So how is this different than the Bills realizing that they weren't going to be willing to match what Sammy would be looking for when he got to free agency?

The Rams already had two solid WR and the best RB in football who caught a lot of balls. And when they lost out on the Sammy sweepstakes they paid a fortune for his replacement, Cooks.

 

The FACT is, the two architects of the two best offenses in the last two decades BOTH traded for or paid a fortune to acquire Sammy Watkins, in consecutive years.

[Rochesterfan]

5 hours ago, Coach Tuesday said:

 

He’s playing very well and he’d instantly be the best receiver on the Bills and his skill set is perfect for Josh Allen.  Jason Peters, Sammy Watkins - Bills fans never tire of misevaluating players who ask to be paid.

 

 

I am not sure about very well - currently in the high tempo fast paced KC offense - Watkins has 1 less catch than Zay Jones and 1 less TD than Jones and about 50 more yards.  All that “production” with a CAP hit this year 5X as high and nearly 12 times next year versus Jones.

 

So he is being outpaced by Jones, but the Bills have thrown the ball 60+ fewer times than KC.

 

Sammy is not bad, but the KC offense has not missed him the last 3 games and he is just getting into the contract.

[Magox]

10 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said:

McVay wanted him. They made an offer. He came out publicly and said several teams were throwing out crazy numbers and they weren't likely to match them.  

I guarantee that McVay was very happy with him last year and that Andy Reid was very happy with him this year, except when he didn't have him.

 

You can guarantee all you want but it wont take away from the fact that the Rams decided to go with Cooks over Watkins for about the same money and that Watkibs was a sub 600 yard performer last year and was 4th on the team with receptions and is now set for around a 700-800 yard season and be 3rd or 4th again this year.

 

 

The Bill's would have been idiots to try to sign him at at that price.  A) it doesnt make sense for this team and B) he is nowhere near worth it based on his production

[HappyDays]

7 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said:

The FACT is, the two architects of the two best offenses in the last two decades BOTH traded for or paid a fortune to acquire Sammy Watkins, in consecutive years.

 

And one let him go immediately, in exchange for the lost value of a 1st and 2nd round pick, and I guarantee the other is having buyer's remorse right now. You think if Reid could go back in time and trade his contract for a secondary, he wouldn't do it?

[Andrew Son]

25 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said:

The Rams already had two solid WR and the best RB in football who caught a lot of balls. And when they lost out on the Sammy sweepstakes they paid a fortune for his replacement, Cooks.

 

The FACT is, the two architects of the two best offenses in the last two decades BOTH traded for or paid a fortune to acquire Sammy Watkins, in consecutive years.

These discussions are amazing...  Sammy was the 4th leading receiver on the Rams and the 3rd leading receiver on the Chiefs.  He's still dealing with chronic feet issues, and yet, people still think it would have been a good idea to pay him 20M a year- or whatever ridiculous premium it would have taken to entice him to want to stay in Buffalo...

[One Buffalo]

Interesting stat that confirms what many are saying... definitely an addition by subtraction move.