GunnerBill Posted December 5, 2018 Posted December 5, 2018 Threads like this do irritate me just as much as the "Allen is a bust!" threads. This constant need to rush to declare someone the best or the worst. Can everyone chill? Josh Allen has had a reasonable if injury interrupted rookie season. At this point of it he still has more INTs than passing TDs and we have people declaring he will be better than Jim Kelly? There are reasons to be optimistic, reasons to be positive, but my word let's keep things in perspective a little. 5
CIrvine Posted December 5, 2018 Posted December 5, 2018 I'm sure Raider fans were saying this about Derek Carr during his rookie season.
Antonio Posted December 5, 2018 Posted December 5, 2018 If he leads us to a SB victory, just one and then he retires he will be the best ever in my book. It can also be by his 2nd season, I dont care.
bmur66 Posted December 5, 2018 Posted December 5, 2018 I will go on record as saying I concur with the OP
Albany,n.y. Posted December 5, 2018 Posted December 5, 2018 (edited) 16 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Threads like this do irritate me just as much as the "Allen is a bust!" threads. This constant need to rush to declare someone the best or the worst. Can everyone chill? Josh Allen has had a reasonable if injury interrupted rookie season. At this point of it he still has more INTs than passing TDs and we have people declaring he will be better than Jim Kelly? There are reasons to be optimistic, reasons to be positive, but my word let's keep things in perspective a little. Personally, I think the TD/Int ratio is a horrible stat. A better stat is total TD drives attained. If a QB drives the team all the way into the redzone & the team scores by the QB throwing an easy TD, how is that any more significant than a TD drive that ends in a rush instead of a throw? Also INTs have a context too. Obviously throwing a pick 6 deep in his own territory is a lot more egregious than throwing an INT on a Hail Mary that ends the half . I suggest total TD drives/significant INTS that lead to points by the opponent as a much more meaningful measure than simple TD/INT ratios. Edited December 5, 2018 by Albany,n.y. 1
GunnerBill Posted December 5, 2018 Posted December 5, 2018 27 minutes ago, Albany,n.y. said: Personally, I think the TD/Int ratio is a horrible stat. A better stat is total TD drives attained. If a QB drives the team all the way into the redzone & the team scores by the QB throwing an easy TD, how is that any more significant than a TD drive that ends in a rush instead of a throw? Also INTs have a context too. Obviously throwing a pick 6 deep in his own territory is a lot more egregious than throwing an INT on a Hail Mary that ends the half . I suggest total TD drives/significant INTS that lead to points by the opponent as a much more meaningful measure than simple TD/INT ratios. I wasn't suggesting it was the only relevant stat and it is granted a small sample size. It is just an example of why hailing him as the man who will be the Bills best ever QB at this stage is absolutely moronic. Josh is doing fine, I might even say he has done a little better than I expected, but threads like this have no real purpose.
Dr. Who Posted December 5, 2018 Posted December 5, 2018 (edited) 31 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: I wasn't suggesting it was the only relevant stat and it is granted a small sample size. It is just an example of why hailing him as the man who will be the Bills best ever QB at this stage is absolutely moronic. Josh is doing fine, I might even say he has done a little better than I expected, but threads like this have no real purpose. Hyperbole is no doubt involved. Folks are enthused because many were lead to believe Allen was the wrong Josh, had intractable issues that made him a poor choice, not just a risky pick, and so raw he would need multiple years of development before he could even plausibly see the field. The potential one sees is not simply based on athletic talent. Allen's judgment has improved and his poise and leadership has raised the limited ability on offense. It's evident the team believes in him and they know an exceptional player when they see one. So, yes, the OP is more emotive than anything, but it's understandable and fine, imo, given the decades long drought of hopeless qb play and the fact that much of this is reactive to the opposite opinion that initially held sway here and elsewhere. Edited December 5, 2018 by Dr. Who 1
Mr. WEO Posted December 5, 2018 Posted December 5, 2018 1 hour ago, Albany,n.y. said: 1 more win and the team surpasses Kelly's 1986 4-12 record, and Kelly came here with 2 years of USFL experience. Some of us want to enjoy thoughts of future seasons of 12 or more victories led by Allen while others are always looking to find negatives in everything. The main objective for a team is to be a champion or at least be a championship contender. If all you want to do is think the team will never attain that status, I advise you find another team pretty soon that looks like they're about to stink for the next decade because you won't be happy when the Bills start compiling double digit wins year after year. Your best choice may be the Cincinnati Bengals who have an out of touch owner and if they do hire Hue Jackson are almost guaranteed seasons of futility until he is fired again. Why would you say that when if you're watching games it's pretty obvious that one of Allen's strengths already is above average ball security? He's thrown 1 meaningful INT in his 2 games back. It was a joke....in keeping with the silliness of this thread.
row_33 Posted December 5, 2018 Posted December 5, 2018 1 hour ago, Antonio said: If he leads us to a SB victory, just one and then he retires he will be the best ever in my book. It can also be by his 2nd season, I dont care. I settle for an honest 10 win season first. even if that doesn't cut it for the WC
GunnerBill Posted December 5, 2018 Posted December 5, 2018 22 minutes ago, Dr. Who said: So, yes, the OP is more emotive than anything, but it's understandable and fine, imo, given the decades long drought of hopeless qb play and the fact that much of this is reactive to the opposite opinion that initially held sway here and elsewhere. Hyperbole irritates me whichever direction it is in - positive or negative!
row_33 Posted December 5, 2018 Posted December 5, 2018 22 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Hyperbole irritates me whichever direction it is in - positive or negative! i tend to try to find ballast in most social situations often contradicting myself in the same minute but they never notice
Nextmanup Posted December 5, 2018 Posted December 5, 2018 25 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Hyperbole irritates me whichever direction it is in - positive or negative! It's not hyperbole. If it was, it would have been an intentional exaggeration to make a point. This guy actually thinks Allen is going to be the best Bills QB of all time. "Exaggeration" is a better choice of word.
row_33 Posted December 5, 2018 Posted December 5, 2018 22 minutes ago, Nextmanup said: It's not hyperbole. If it was, it would have been an intentional exaggeration to make a point. This guy actually thinks Allen is going to be the best Bills QB of all time. "Exaggeration" is a better choice of word. hey, let that fan rock on.... maybe you can get him to bet on his prediction with you....
PIZ Posted December 5, 2018 Posted December 5, 2018 20 hours ago, beacon said: I know it's blasphemy, but Josh Allen will have every Bills QB record by the time he retires. Yards, TD's, Rushing, Wins.They have their QB for the next 10/15 years. He is the most exciting Bill since SB days. Nobody knew what a great runner he is. Reminds me of Elway, only faster and shiftier. He is going to be a stud. His game of pass/run is going to be sweet to watch. Fill a few holes on O-line next year, grab a receiver or two, cut Benjamin, Clay and Shady. Doesn't matter what city it is, good players want to play with good/great QB's. He will make everyone around him better. Then they all can make even more $$$$$$. Can't wait until next year. I was shocked that Elway didn't draft him. Every time I saw a Wyoming highlight, I was reminded of Elway. Thought for sure he was taking him.
row_33 Posted December 5, 2018 Posted December 5, 2018 He is gone from merely being Drew Brees to GOAT in a handful of games...
Paulus Posted December 5, 2018 Posted December 5, 2018 (edited) I said he was GOAT already (before he ever played an NFL snap)... I win! Unless, I lose. Edited December 5, 2018 by Paulus
row_33 Posted December 5, 2018 Posted December 5, 2018 14 minutes ago, Paulus said: I said he was GOAT already (before he ever played an NFL snap)... I win! Unless, I lose. you have the "he didn't have enough talent around him" excuse for 100 years
TheBrownBear Posted December 5, 2018 Posted December 5, 2018 So far, I like what I see, but I'm sure Titan fans were saying the same things about Vince Young and Marcus Mariota.
PlayoffsPlease Posted December 6, 2018 Posted December 6, 2018 9 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: What about INTs in a single game? Cam Newton sayswhat? Newton does not have Allen's release velocity. Not even close. Try to improve the snark next time.
row_33 Posted December 6, 2018 Posted December 6, 2018 Just now, PlayoffsPlease said: Newton does not have Allen's release velocity. Not even close. Try to improve the snark next time. Weo caused me to put him on ignore on three different forums on here in 13 months 1
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