Pine Barrens Mafia Posted December 4, 2018 Posted December 4, 2018 1 minute ago, Logic said: I'm sure people will be lining up to lambaste you and tell you what a fool you are. But ya know what? I like the bold statement! And I can see it happening. I'm not quite ready to say that I agree, but I AM ready to say that it's not that unreasonable of a thing to proclaim. As it stands, he may ALREADY be the most PHYSICALLY GIFTED QB the Bills have ever had. The rest is up to him. Me too! I'm pushing all the chips in at this point
SoCal Deek Posted December 4, 2018 Posted December 4, 2018 9 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said: The OP makes a bold prediction and predictably people want to tell him/her to slow down, or other snarky comments. Why bother even responding? And yet you’re responding to people that are responding.
corta765 Posted December 4, 2018 Posted December 4, 2018 Love the hope and enthusiasm this would be great. That said even if he has a 10-12 year run where his ceiling is Flacco/Alex Smith esq he will most likely break Kelly's records given how the league is so passing driven. Remember Jim back in the day topped out around 23-25 TD's thrown with one season at 33 TDs. For that time it was impressive, today that is basically average for a QB so if Allen even has two seasons at 30 TDs or above he will move pretty quick towards Jim. Plus Jim had 3 years in the USFL that took away probably 40-45 TDs he would've got in the NFL. I think Jim himself would love to be the second best Bills QB and in the end the records Allen truly will be judged on will be Wins, playoffs, and hopefully the SB. A SB title mixed with even Flacco/Smith numbers and he'd be a god regardless. 2
RoyBatty is alive Posted December 4, 2018 Posted December 4, 2018 3 minutes ago, Logic said: I'm sure people will be lining up to lambaste you and tell you what a fool you are. But ya know what? I like the bold statement! And I can see it happening. I'm not quite ready to say that I agree, but I AM ready to say that it's not that unreasonable of a thing to proclaim. As it stands, he may ALREADY be the most PHYSICALLY GIFTED QB the Bills have ever had. The rest is up to him. Love your post but disagree with the already, Kelly or anyone one else isnt close to having the physical skills of Josh Allen, i would argue to say very very few QBs ever have.
oldmanfan Posted December 4, 2018 Posted December 4, 2018 12 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said: The OP makes a bold prediction and predictably people want to tell him/her to slow down, or other snarky comments. Why bother even responding? Because it's a chat room. So we chat. 10 minutes ago, PlayoffsPlease said: Josh Allen has the physical skills to be the greatest QB in NFL history. No other current QB can make that claim. But Allen's combination of size, speed, agility, arm strength and total strength are unmatched in NFL history. Clealy mentally acuity and brilliant eye hand coordination are critical elements to becoming a great QB. Hopefully Allen can add those to the mix and make the next GOAT also an AFC east guy. I like Allen a lot and think he's our long term guy. But say hi to John Elway. Steve Young also sends his regards. 1
26CornerBlitz Posted December 4, 2018 Posted December 4, 2018 Does this mean we won't see any more "Start Matt Barkley" threads? 2
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted December 4, 2018 Posted December 4, 2018 While obviously VERY premature, I love where your anti-trolling enthusiastic mindset is at. It certainly beats the "Fire Everybody, McBeane, Daboll Suck at Life and We Picked the Wrong Josh" threads that have taken up way too much squatting bandwidth on here over the past few months... 26 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said: let's go slowly here... A couple weeks ago people on here wanted Matt Barkley to start It's encouraging to see some progress, so let's hope it continues! Wow, you really are TheFunPolice ? lol
The_Dude Posted December 4, 2018 Posted December 4, 2018 I’m honestly more pleased with Allen than I thought I would be on draft night when I was trying to drink myself into a coma. 2
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted December 4, 2018 Posted December 4, 2018 20 minutes ago, HOUSE said: BETTER THEN JIM KELLY ??? @HOUSE, if JA truly does become that good, I'd be happiest for a new generation of youngsters who get a great QB to root for like I did with Kelly, and not just hoping to win on Sundays, but expecting to. 1 1
blacklabel Posted December 4, 2018 Posted December 4, 2018 (edited) I'm down. I think at his ceiling this kid can be a Brett Favre type of player, aside from the running skills he has, he reminds me of Favre in terms of his willingness to sling it to any spot on the field. And like Favre, every now and then you might see him make a play that leaves you saying, "What the hell was that?!" but if the good outweighs the bad by a sizeable margin, I'm all for it. I also find it interesting that Jimbo's wife Jill has tweeted out several times now how much Allen reminds her of how Jim played the game. First, both guys have the size. Jim was built like a linebacker (and that's where Penn State, his top school choice wanted him to play, as well as a number of other schools that recruited him) and although he didn't run much, when he did, he wasn't afraid to drop his shoulder from time to time. Allen was smart to avoid unnecessary contact during Sunday's game but you know if the game is on the line, he's gonna do what he needs to do to pick up a first down or whatever. Both guys have rocket arms. Josh probably has the stronger arm but Jim was no slouch. Both of them can make every throw. The one spot where Josh will need a few years to get on Jim's level is command of the offense. I mean, Jim was like an extra offensive coordinator out there. When they rolled with the K-Gun, every playcall was made by Jim. Right now, you can see Allen is running the plays as called and has maybe called an audible a handful of times this season. Hopefully with more experience he'll get better at recognizing different defensive looks and will know which plays to switch into to beat those looks. Jim was off the charts with this so, like I said, I think it'll be a while before Josh has that kind of command. Both guys are hyper-competitive and have the respect of their teammates. Even as a young guy, Josh carries a kind of swagger I haven't seen at the QB position in Buffalo since Jim. Jim was confident but anyone that's read his book knows that the guy was a nervous wreck before almost every game. Allen is kind of the opposite in that respect. The game isn't too big for him no matter if it's pre-season or a regular season game with playoff implications. And based on what we've heard from his teammates, the kid just doesn't seem to get nervous or phased by too much. Lastly, you always knew the Bills had a chance as long as the defense could get the ball for Jim for one last drive. Allen's college coaches and teammates have all said that they always felt like their team had a shot at the win as long as Allen was in there. To have that kind of quality back in Buffalo is huge. I mean, I've got a lot of respect for Tyrod Taylor, I like him as a player and he's all class as a person. But... what was the guys record here when the team was down by 7 or more points? Something like 2 wins and a whole bunch of losses. Nothing against him but if the Bills were down late, I really didn't have much confidence that Tyrod was gonna find a way to win. This past Sunday, with 2:30 on the clock, Allen and the offense get the ball back on their own 10 yard line and my first thought was, "Watch this kid go ham and pull out the win." And he almost did, if it wasn't for that meddling Charles Clay! For the record, Allen's 4th quarter stats were something like 9 of 13 for 120 yards and a touchdown. To start that final drive, he hit four or five straight completions before the OL started caving in. But even with that adversity, and a wild final play, he still put his team in place to pull out the win. To have that ability to evade pressure the way he did, keep his eyes up and scanning for an open guy, running to his left he uncorks a 40 yard throw to his right and if Twinkle Toes Clay hadn't tripped over his own two feet, he probably would've caught it and it would've been a major early highlight for Josh's career. I gotta imagine the kid is playing with a high level of confidence right now and I can't wait for these next four games and am especially psyched to see what McBeane does to improve things for 2019. Edited December 4, 2018 by blacklabel 2 2
Warcodered Posted December 4, 2018 Posted December 4, 2018 38 minutes ago, SWATeam said: That's it? I'm thinking best NFL QB ever. Hey now that's the next thread.
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted December 4, 2018 Posted December 4, 2018 all I can say is, time will tell but I can clearly say I like this kids heart and grit and look forward to his continued development. 2
Augie Posted December 4, 2018 Posted December 4, 2018 40 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: I certainly hope he breaks all of Kelly's records since they aren't really gaudy numbers due to him only playing 10 years and it wasn't as much a passing league back then. If Allen becomes the greatest or is in the conversation as greatest of All Time in in 7-10 years....I'll get this tattoo on my back. I’m down with this! We ARE having the conversation, it IS within a 7-10 year window.....and I think it’s time for Royale to get the tattoo! While I’m encouraged, a little tempering of expectations might be wise. Why do we all go to such extremes so often? He sucks and will never be accurate, while at the same time he’s destined to become the greatest of all time. I’m guessing he will wind up somewhere in the middle, but I have no idea where!
Royale with Cheese Posted December 4, 2018 Posted December 4, 2018 Just now, Augie said: I’m down with this! We ARE having the conversation, it IS within a 7-10 year window.....and I think it’s time for Royale to get the tattoo! While I’m encouraged, a little tempering of expectations might be wise. Why do we all go to such extremes so often? He sucks and will never be accurate, while at the same time he’s destined to become the greatest of all time. I’m guessing he will wind up somewhere in the middle, but I have no idea where! Just don’t bookmark this page! I’m hoping Allen achieves this!
clayboy54 Posted December 4, 2018 Posted December 4, 2018 Now that Benjamin is gone, Josh's completion percentage will go through the roof. Accuracy issues? What accuracy issues! 2 2
beacon Posted December 4, 2018 Author Posted December 4, 2018 1 minute ago, clayboy54 said: Now that Benjamin is gone, Josh's completion percentage will go through the roof. Accuracy issues? What accuracy issues! About time....Beans worst move by far....
Buffalo_Gal Posted December 4, 2018 Posted December 4, 2018 I hope in 10 years this statement is correct, because better than Jim Kelly would make Josh Allen one of the best QBs to ever play the game. However, as a rookie? Nawwww 1
formerlyofCtown Posted December 4, 2018 Posted December 4, 2018 1 hour ago, SWATeam said: That's it? I'm thinking best NFL QB ever. A true GOAT unlike that twig with bodygaurds in stripped shirts.
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