SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted December 4, 2018 Posted December 4, 2018 maybe that was where the designed play was called. Josh scrambled backwards what 20 yards avoiding pressure before he recovered 10 of that back when he made the pass. Yes, Clay should have caught it and Yes, Josh underthrew the ball. 1
elroy16 Posted December 4, 2018 Posted December 4, 2018 Anyone have access to the all-22? I'd be interested to see what Clay was doing before the ball was thrown. In the replays it looks like there's no one in front of Clay. It's 4th and 11 with enough time on the clock that they didn't need a score there, it looks like he should have been coming back towards Allen even before he made the throw. At least be back near the goal line and give your QB some help.
njbuff Posted December 4, 2018 Posted December 4, 2018 It's over and Clay will no longer be a Bill at seasons end. My interest is the release of Clay a cap hit or cap savings. I wonder if anyone knows?
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted December 4, 2018 Posted December 4, 2018 2 hours ago, elroy16 said: Anyone have access to the all-22? I'd be interested to see what Clay was doing before the ball was thrown. In the replays it looks like there's no one in front of Clay. It's 4th and 11 with enough time on the clock that they didn't need a score there, it looks like he should have been coming back towards Allen even before he made the throw. At least be back near the goal line and give your QB some help. there was no one near him. Maybe he was thinking "if I catch it with my feet in the EZ its a sure TD" Was he fully aware he had a 5 to 10 foot bumper he could have come out caught it and "fell" back in. 1
elroy16 Posted December 4, 2018 Posted December 4, 2018 1 hour ago, njbuff said: It's over and Clay will no longer be a Bill at seasons end. My interest is the release of Clay a cap hit or cap savings. I wonder if anyone knows? $4.5 million dead cap hit if he's cut https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/charles-clay-7893/ With the amount of room they have, that's not much, and there's no hit after next year.
Domdab99 Posted December 4, 2018 Posted December 4, 2018 I love how everyone just assumes it's easy to track where a flying, fluttering ball coming right at you from 40 yards away is going to land.
njbuff Posted December 4, 2018 Posted December 4, 2018 2 minutes ago, Domdab99 said: I love how everyone just assumes it's easy to track where a flying, fluttering ball coming right at you from 40 yards away is going to land. Allen was running for his life, you expect perfect precision on his part. Clay is paid a lot of money to make plays. Make the darn play.
Domdab99 Posted December 4, 2018 Posted December 4, 2018 18 minutes ago, njbuff said: Allen was running for his life, you expect perfect precision on his part. Clay is paid a lot of money to make plays. Make the darn play. said like a guy who's never played the game
elroy16 Posted December 4, 2018 Posted December 4, 2018 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Domdab99 said: I love how everyone just assumes it's easy to track where a flying, fluttering ball coming right at you from 40 yards away is going to land. It's not even that part that annoyed me. It was Clay standing in the corner of the end zone while your QB has scrambled to the opposite side of the field. If it was the last play of the game, fine, but there was time and he didn't need to force Allen into that tough of a throw. This is why I want to see the all-22. Was he just standing at the back of the end zone? With the amount of time Allen was scrambling, it seems like Clay should have had time to already come back to at least the goal line when the throw was made. Edited December 4, 2018 by elroy16
Domdab99 Posted December 4, 2018 Posted December 4, 2018 7 minutes ago, elroy16 said: It's not even that part that annoyed me. It was Clay standing in the corner of the end zone while your QB has scrambled to the opposite side of the field. If it was the last play of the game, fine, but there was time and he didn't need to force Allen into that tough of a throw. This is why I want to see the all-22. Was he just standing at the back of the end zone? With the amount of time Allen was scrambling, it seems like Clay should have had time to already come back to at least the goal line when the throw was made. lol now this I can see getting upset over...know idea what Clay was doing. Maybe he was lost.
njbuff Posted December 4, 2018 Posted December 4, 2018 15 minutes ago, Domdab99 said: said like a guy who's never played the game Total BS. I bet you Gronkowski makes that play 100 out of 100 times.
Domdab99 Posted December 4, 2018 Posted December 4, 2018 2 minutes ago, njbuff said: Total BS. I bet you Gronkowski makes that play 100 out of 100 times. Yeah, because real football is so much like Madden. Just make the play, right??
njbuff Posted December 4, 2018 Posted December 4, 2018 1 minute ago, Domdab99 said: Yeah, because real football is so much like Madden. Just make the play, right?? I can see your argument if Allen missed that throw by a mile, but Clay was in the area code to make the catch. If you wanna defend Clay, that’s fine. It’s over and let’s move on to the Jets. Allen has a chance to further his development, which sets up for an exciting off season and a lead up to the start of 2019.
Domdab99 Posted December 4, 2018 Posted December 4, 2018 3 minutes ago, njbuff said: I can see your argument if Allen missed that throw by a mile, but Clay was in the area code to make the catch. If you wanna defend Clay, that’s fine. It’s over and let’s move on to the Jets. Allen has a chance to further his development, which sets up for an exciting off season and a lead up to the start of 2019. I'm not a Clay fan, but that kind of throw is about as difficult to gauge as any on the field. It's easier for a receiver to gauge a ball as he's running at an angle from the throw, and/or running in the same direction as the throw or perpendicular to it. Coming straight back to a fluttering ball from a QB with a howitzer for an arm, well, it's really not at all surprising that Clay misplayed it some. Should he have caught it? Probably. But I understand why he didn't.
Nitro Posted December 4, 2018 Posted December 4, 2018 My question is why do they think hands of stone can make a catch in a clutch situation. Clay is done.
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted December 4, 2018 Posted December 4, 2018 1 hour ago, Nitro said: My question is why do they think hands of stone can make a catch in a clutch situation. Clay is done. KB Stone hands was cut. Clay remains.
njbuff Posted December 4, 2018 Posted December 4, 2018 1 hour ago, Domdab99 said: I'm not a Clay fan, but that kind of throw is about as difficult to gauge as any on the field. It's easier for a receiver to gauge a ball as he's running at an angle from the throw, and/or running in the same direction as the throw or perpendicular to it. Coming straight back to a fluttering ball from a QB with a howitzer for an arm, well, it's really not at all surprising that Clay misplayed it some. Should he have caught it? Probably. But I understand why he didn't. Fair wnough.
elroy16 Posted December 5, 2018 Posted December 5, 2018 Here's a crappy gif of the final play. https://i.imgur.com/XGNOC0X.gifv As expected, Clay runs to the middle of the back of the end zone and then coasts to his right until Allen throws it. Also not shocking, Benjamin runs down the right sideline to the back of the end zone and then runs past Clay towards the middle of the back of the end zone. What's kind of interesting is there's a defender near Clay when Allen throws it, but he starts running with KB and leaves Clay wide open. Not good execution on the final, most important play of the game. They've got 3 guys in the end zone like they have to score on the play. Really the main conclusion I draw from this play is that they desperately need to practice a similar situation in practice and also scramble drills.
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