Allen's Last Pass (12/2): Bad Pass or Drop?

[Kelly the Dog]

6 minutes ago, row_33 said:

 

I’ll note that the EZ perfect view of the ball losing its spiral and starting to wobble seems somewhat rate. Not sure if this is because of new tech, or the position of the camera, or rarity of seeing a pass like this thrown.

 

 

 You don’t see the flight of a punt shown like that pass

1) Josh said after the game that he didn't like how the ball left his hand, which was obviously referring to the wobble versus a better spiral. Which makes the length of the pass even more remarkable.

2) I think that fans don't realize how many completed passes are not good spirals, when they appear to be great passes shown live. 

[row_33]

5 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said:

1) Josh said after the game that he didn't like how the ball left his hand, which was obviously referring to the wobble versus a better spiral. Which makes the length of the pass even more remarkable.

2) I think that fans don't realize how many completed passes are not good spirals, when they appear to be great passes shown live. 

 

Good points

 

the pass wobbled the last ten yards, it was a great feat to get it that far under pressure, next time....

 

some greats often “lobbed” it perfectly into a region that ensured their talented WRs would catch it with minimal risk of INT

 

i have a few HoF SB winners in mind.... one grabbed 4 of them....

 

 

Edited December 3, 2018 by row_33

[NoHuddleKelly12]

Shades of Kelly to Ronnie Harmon 1989, the pass doinked right off his forearm in the end zone, playoffs against the Browns/Bernie Kosar (yes, Cleveland used to be good too). Catch it, Bills win, he didn’t, so long trek back home with what could’ve/should’ve been. However, after that year, the SB run started and Kelly became Kelly—while I know this is not the same setting in terms of playoffs, I have confidence Allen will build off of this and become a better QB over time this year and beyond.  

[Shortchaz]

2 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said:

1) Josh said after the game that he didn't like how the ball left his hand, which was obviously referring to the wobble versus a better spiral. Which makes the length of the pass even more remarkable.

2) I think that fans don't realize how many completed passes are not good spirals, when they appear to be great passes shown live. 

I think the ball was affected by the force of him moving left before he stopped and threw right, but I don’t know for sure. 

 

I will say after watching it a few times from a few angles that it was a SLIGHTLY harder catch than I originally thought, but still should’ve been caught. 

[row_33]

Just now, Shortchaz said:

I think the ball was affected by the force of him moving left before he stopped and threw right, but I don’t know for sure. 

 

I will say after watching it a few times from a few angles that it was a SLIGHTLY harder catch than I originally thought, but still should’ve been caught. 

 

Clay flubbed something a little more difficult than a can of corn

 

 

[Buffalo Barbarian]

The pass was wobly however it was on target and hit Clay in the hands ,he should have caught it. Also why is he diving for the ball?? Just keep running and make it easier on yourself.

 

 

[Kelly the Dog]

4 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

The pass was wobly however it was on target and hit Clay in the hands ,he should have caught it. Also why is he diving for the ball?? Just keep running and make it easier on yourself.

 

 

He tackled himself. 

[Shortchaz]

4 minutes ago, row_33 said:

 

Clay flubbed something a little more difficult than a can of corn

 

 

Yeah, that playing-center-field type play can be tricky because you rarely  practice it. Hard to get a good read on the ball, and if it’s wonky like that...I think he was concerned it was going to go over his head which made him hesitate, then panic when adjusting.

 

still should’ve caught it.

[Buffalo Barbarian]

Just now, Kelly the Dog said:

He tackled himself. 

 

basically, i haven't been that mad at a player in a long time, which means we finally have  a future again.

 

i believe in this coach ,GM and QB and cant wait to be the best again ( this time we are winning 4 in a row)

[Nextmanup]

6 hours ago, row_33 said:

That’s on Clay

 

as it was on Ronnie Harmon

 

live a little 

love a little

learn a little

 

 

Just watched that throw again about 10 times.

 

I estimate the ball was under thrown by something on the order of 13 yards.

 

When the ball leaves Allen's hand, Clay is near the end line, in the back of the end zone.  He ends up having to get his hands to ground level on the goal line to get to the ball.  I.E., the ball would have hit a receiver "in the numbers" probably around the 3 yard line or maybe even further out.

 

The ball was horribly thrown with a wobble that suggested it was tipped; it was not tipped. 

 

The whole thing seems more spectacular than it was b/c the game was on the line and Allen had to run around in circles avoiding a sack before the throw.

 

In the end, it was a horribly thrown ball and Clay failed to make a really nice catch to bring it in, which perhaps he should have, but he did not.

 

The Ronnie Harmon incident in Cleveland is not comparable IMO.

 

 

 

 

 

[Kelly the Dog]

18 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

Just watched that throw again about 10 times.

 

I estimate the ball was under thrown by something on the order of 13 yards.

 

When the ball leaves Allen's hand, Clay is near the end line, in the back of the end zone.  He ends up having to get his hands to ground level on the goal line to get to the ball.  I.E., the ball would have hit a receiver "in the numbers" probably around the 3 yard line or maybe even further out.

 

The ball was horribly thrown with a wobble that suggested it was tipped; it was not tipped. 

 

The whole thing seems more spectacular than it was b/c the game was on the line and Allen had to run around in circles avoiding a sack before the throw.

 

In the end, it was a horribly thrown ball and Clay failed to make a really nice catch to bring it in, which perhaps he should have, but he did not.

 

The Ronnie Harmon incident in Cleveland is not comparable IMO.

 

 

 

 

 

13 yards farther would have been out of the endzone. Go back under a rock. 

[transplantbillsfan]

 

[Perry Turtle]

2 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

Ya know another poster just pointed this out and I think it's a fantastic point:

 

Allen threw that football 70 yardsin the air, and he did that AFTER running all over the field to find a throw.

 

And yeah, it was about 70 yards... maybe 66 to be exact.

 

Ball released on the 40 yard line reaches the end zone but he's throwing across the field.

 

Look up the dimensions of a football field for yourself and you'll discover the distance horizontally from where Allen threw it to where Clay couldn't catch it was somewhere around 23-26 yards I'd say.

 

40+23/26= 63/66 yards.

 

Clay should have come back to the ball a bit.

Between the scramble and pass, Allen covered around 100 yards of field on that play.

 

And they were all necessary as the receivers all seemed to be running hail-Mary routes to the right side of the end zone.

 

It's difficult to call this a horrible pass, and Allen did throw some horrible passes in this game, when 95% of QBs are not able to make that play.

  

[MJS]

How can anyone blame Allen? He was throwing on the run, accross his body, to the far side of the field.

 

Tough catch for Clay, but since he sucks all the time anyway he deserves the blame. If it hits you in the hands, catch it.

[Straight Hucklebuck]

Not sure what happened in spots today with Allen’s arm. He threw a duck on that final throw to Clay, and at the end of the first half. 

 

The ball was wobbling and died at the goal line. 

 

Great escape, nice down field read, but bad pass.

Edited December 3, 2018 by Straight Hucklebuck

[ALF]

If Allen had better pass protection , Clay was wide open. Good call by Daboll , and it knocked him down , he really cares.

 

Fixing a OL is about as hard as finding a good QB. Having the right OL coach would also help.

[billsintaiwan]

1 hour ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

Not sure what happened in spots today with Allen’s arm. He threw a duck on that final throw to Clay, and at the end of the first half. 

 

The ball was wobbling and died at the goal line. 

 

Great escape, nice down field read, but bad pass.

About sixty yards cross in the air. Maybe he had time to set his feet and maybe someone sees Clay if he takes that time. It was a tremendous play and it needed Clay to make a good, not great, catch.

[Gugny]

Does anyone know if McDermott said that this was a pass that Josh would like to have back?

[Big Gun]

Only Bills fans can somehow blame the QB for a throw that travels 45+ yards to the goal line in the air back diagonally across the field after scrambling around avoiding guys trying to kill him for what seemed like 10 seconds where the TE drops the damn ball after it hits him in the hands. 

 

Only Bills fans, only Bills fans geeze!

 

edit: after rewatching that play why was Clay originally at the back of the endzone about a yard away out of bounds? Why was Clay not near the goal line? 

 

Clay wasn't very good on that play then he dropped it, bad all around play by him.

Edited December 3, 2018 by pop gun

[CaptnCoke11]

Tough throw to make first off.. It was a duck that was under thrown but could of been caught.  Would of been a tough catch but it was still catchable.  It was Clay so I’m not surprised.  

Edited December 3, 2018 by CaptnCoke11