Cash Posted December 3, 2018 Posted December 3, 2018 Why does everything need to be polarized one way or another? Why can’t it be both? My take: nice play by Allen to try to get it there on the run. Not actually a good pass, but maybe could’ve been caught. Would’ve been a great catch if made, but it didn’t happen. It was like a foot away from being a TD. Does that need to be only one person’s 100% fault, or can it be that we just came up a little short?
transplantbillsfan Posted December 3, 2018 Posted December 3, 2018 Ya know another poster just pointed this out and I think it's a fantastic point: Allen threw that football 70 yardsin the air, and he did that AFTER running all over the field to find a throw. And yeah, it was about 70 yards... maybe 66 to be exact. Ball released on the 40 yard line reaches the end zone but he's throwing across the field. Look up the dimensions of a football field for yourself and you'll discover the distance horizontally from where Allen threw it to where Clay couldn't catch it was somewhere around 23-26 yards I'd say. 40+23/26= 63/66 yards. Clay should have come back to the ball a bit.
Doc Posted December 3, 2018 Posted December 3, 2018 Again, Allen did his part to get the ball to where Clay could catch it. He didn't. It's on Clay. 1
The Wiz Posted December 3, 2018 Posted December 3, 2018 (edited) It was both, also Clay slipped when he went to dive for the ball. He should have had it either way. Edited December 3, 2018 by The Wiz
gobills1212 Posted December 3, 2018 Posted December 3, 2018 86.6 on clay. 23.4 on Allen (Assuming of course there was 110% being given) 2
Gugny Posted December 3, 2018 Author Posted December 3, 2018 2 hours ago, Augie said: As one poster phrased it, he drunkenly stumbled forward. I wish I could get $38,000,000 to do that. I'd be a ***** gazillionaire.
Augie Posted December 3, 2018 Posted December 3, 2018 1 minute ago, Gugny said: I wish I could get $38,000,000 to do that. I'd be a ***** gazillionaire. I’d drunkenly stumble for a LOT less! My trip to bed is worth $500k based upon what I’ve seen! 1
SCBills Posted December 3, 2018 Posted December 3, 2018 Obviously the pass could’ve been better... Allen had to escape the rush, escape the rush again, throw across his body to the other side of the field, after carrying the team for most of the 4th Quarter. He got the pass off and the receiver had it hit him in his hands. All Clay had to do was adjust to the ball and not be a spaz. Not an easy play, but one most average NFL receivers make.
Doc Brown Posted December 3, 2018 Posted December 3, 2018 Josh Allen vs. any defense right now..... 1 2 2
longtimebillsfan Posted December 3, 2018 Posted December 3, 2018 (edited) 5 hours ago, Gugny said: Should Clay have caught the ball? Or was it just a bad pass? Allen deserves all the credit. His protection broke down. He somehow avoided the rush with incredible mobility, and made a strong off balance pass that clay should have caught. This is completely Clay's responsibility. He should be gone. 5 hours ago, Gugny said: Should Clay have caught the ball? Or was it just a bad pass? Edited December 3, 2018 by longtimebillsfan
Shortchaz Posted December 3, 2018 Posted December 3, 2018 22 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: Ya know another poster just pointed this out and I think it's a fantastic point: Allen threw that football 70 yardsin the air, and he did that AFTER running all over the field to find a throw. And yeah, it was about 70 yards... maybe 66 to be exact. Ball released on the 40 yard line reaches the end zone but he's throwing across the field. Look up the dimensions of a football field for yourself and you'll discover the distance horizontally from where Allen threw it to where Clay couldn't catch it was somewhere around 23-26 yards I'd say. 40+23/26= 63/66 yards. Clay should have come back to the ball a bit. Not sure your math checks out there chief ? a2+b2=c2 40^2=1600 (length) 40^2=1600 (width (being generous)) square root of 3200 is 56.5 (that’s with generous 40 yard “horizontal” distance) using your estimate of 26 yards for “horizontal” distance equals 47 yards, add a few yards for real numbers being slightly more, 50 (this is probably close to the real number) 1
Augie Posted December 3, 2018 Posted December 3, 2018 2 minutes ago, SCBills said: Obviously the pass could’ve been better... Allen had to escape the rush, escape the rush again, throw across his body to the other side of the field, after carrying the team for most of the 4th Quarter. He got the pass off and the receiver had it hit him in his hands. All Clay had to do was adjust to the ball and not be a spaz. Not an easy play, but one most average NFL receivers make. He had to move forward 6-7 yards in the time the ball covered 50+ yards in the air. Not much to ask from a professional football player. He seemed to have maybe slipped as he started forward? Unfortunate, but still encouraging. We won’t have to count on Clay to make those plays next year, I’m guessing. Croom would have caught it, and we’ll have an upgrade over him. 2 minutes ago, Shortchaz said: Not sure your math checks out there chief ? a2+b2=c2 40^2=1600 (length) 40^2=1600 (width (being generous)) square root of 3200 is 56.5 (that’s with generous 40 yard “horizontal” distance) using your estimate of 26 yards for “horizontal” distance equals 47 yards, add a few yards for real numbers being slightly more, 50 (this is probably close to the real number) Sister Jeanne? Is that you? Oh no....I thought those math nightmares were over..... 1
Gugny Posted December 3, 2018 Author Posted December 3, 2018 6 minutes ago, Shortchaz said: Not sure your math checks out there chief ? a2+b2=c2 40^2=1600 (length) 40^2=1600 (width (being generous)) square root of 3200 is 56.5 (that’s with generous 40 yard “horizontal” distance) using your estimate of 26 yards for “horizontal” distance equals 47 yards, add a few yards for real numbers being slightly more, 50 (this is probably close to the real number) I think it's time to ring the @DC Tom bat phone. 1
Augie Posted December 3, 2018 Posted December 3, 2018 4 minutes ago, Gugny said: I think it's time to ring the @DC Tom bat phone. OK, that’s about as funny as it gets! 1
KD in CA Posted December 3, 2018 Posted December 3, 2018 10 minutes ago, Shortchaz said: Not sure your math checks out there chief ? a2+b2=c2 40^2=1600 (length) 40^2=1600 (width (being generous)) square root of 3200 is 56.5 (that’s with generous 40 yard “horizontal” distance) using your estimate of 26 yards for “horizontal” distance equals 47 yards, add a few yards for real numbers being slightly more, 50 (this is probably close to the real number) Nice use of the pythagorean theorem!
ganesh Posted December 3, 2018 Posted December 3, 2018 5 hours ago, Romie said: Really I think it was both. Not the best pass, but there's dudes out there that would have pulled it off. Allen was under duress, so expecting him to loft a perfect 40 yard pass on a 4th down is way too an expectation.
Augie Posted December 3, 2018 Posted December 3, 2018 1 minute ago, ganesh said: Allen was under duress, so expecting him to loft a perfect 40 yard pass on a 4th down is way too an expectation. He’d just run a 5k trying to get free to launch a ball, so yeah, I like his effort better than that of Clay. 5 minutes ago, KD in CA said: Nice use of the pythagorean theorem! I bet he works on that because it’s such a big hit with the girls at Happy Hour! Or....maybe he’s serious about something other than the Bills in life? No, I doubt that’s it.....
row_33 Posted December 3, 2018 Posted December 3, 2018 1 hour ago, NoSaint said: Real talk - we’ve seen a lot of variations but this years “now that we are 3-7....” ones were among my favorite Oh to be young and energetic and optimistic again to think that 3-7 is part of a master plan....
Bookie Man Posted December 3, 2018 Posted December 3, 2018 Catch difficulty 7/10. Pass quality 6/10. Play was definitely there to be made by Clay. I would imagine Allen had to been have a bit gassed. The runs he made would have McNabb dry heaving. Tough cross field throw . Ahhh that would have been such a great play...
row_33 Posted December 3, 2018 Posted December 3, 2018 (edited) I’ll note that the EZ perfect view of the ball losing its spiral and starting to wobble seems somewhat rate. Not sure if this is because of new tech, or the position of the camera, or rarity of seeing a pass like this thrown. You don’t see the flight of a punt shown like that pass Edited December 3, 2018 by row_33
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