John from Riverside Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 23 minutes ago, PearlHowardman said: 1. You are the third poster today to describe Josh Allen's passes as "wobbly". 2. I'll consider you as part of the 70% of all posters here who see Josh Allens' pass accuracy as a problem. Good luck correcting that, though. 22 poster's hate your posts and counting.....Math is hard for you I guess 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILBillsfan Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 1 minute ago, PearlHowardman said: 4th! so you are saying they were not wobbly? I think again you are falling into the taking the statement personal back away take a breather this isn't an attack it's a correct observation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodeMonkey Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 26 minutes ago, buffaloboyinATL said: Additional thoughts: 1. That inflatable dolphin mascot thing was creepy. 2. The amount of cheap hits that Allen takes without flags is amazing. He is getting the Cam Newton treatment by the officials. 3. ZAY!!! that is all... Interesting because the people I was watching the game with were lamenting that we wished Allen would quit whining so much every time anyone gets near him. Getting as bad as Brady. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PearlHowardman Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 5 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: 22 poster's hate your posts and counting.....Math is hard for you I guess Guarantee that Sean McDermott and Brandon Beane see the same accuracy problem with Josh Allen that I do. You can't run away from it. And there's a very low probability of correcting it. 6 minutes ago, ILBillsfan said: so you are saying they were not wobbly? 5th! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 Good write up- Zay really had a great game and Allen played as solid as a rookie could, especially considering the poor oline play. I dont agree with you about pulling Phillips. He messed up and has to chose team over self, but yanking him in front pf his previous team could of lost him. Handle this behind closed doors come Tuesday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 Just now, PearlHowardman said: Guarantee that Sean McDermott and Brandon Beane see the same accuracy problem with Josh Allen that I do. You can't run away from it. And there's a very low probability of correcting it. You mean they see a extremely raw but gamer QB with all the tools with ***** receivers and protection not make every pass perfect? Oh the horror They are probably counting the days to the offseason where they can get him better weapons and protection 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuckyBoys Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 Too many penalties and boneheaded mistakes. In all fairness given I though we had zero chance at playoffs going it the game was really almost the perfect outcome. Allen was forced to put the team on his back and responded. I'm probably going to make some people mad but I had no problem with this loss versus a game where we win by luck and Allen isn't asked/doesn't do a whole lot. This was the opposite, he had to overcome a ton of stuff just to give them a chance at the end of the game. More encouraging progress even though we didn't get the W 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PearlHowardman Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 5 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: You mean they see a extremely raw but gamer QB with all the tools with ***** receivers and protection not make every pass perfect? Oh the horror They are probably counting the days to the offseason where they can get him better weapons and protection John - The river near you. Is it called Denial? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yall Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 9 minutes ago, RaoulDuke79 said: Oh jeez.....thanks for this. Knowing is half the battle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaoulDuke79 Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 Just now, yall said: Knowing is half the battle. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fixxxer Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 11 minutes ago, billsfan_34 said: Good write up- Zay really had a great game and Allen played as solid as a rookie could, especially considering the poor oline play. I dont agree with you about pulling Phillips. He messed up and has to chose team over self, but yanking him in front pf his previous team could of lost him. Handle this behind closed doors come Tuesday. They kept Phillips in the game after the stupid penalty, when he made another stop and started clapping and watching directly to the Phins sidelines, he needed to be benched. He was risking another stupid penalty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BubbaT Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 49 minutes ago, Maine-iac said: I did a quick count and I'm pretty sure we are up to 6 games with double digit penalties. I know it seems like the refs are out to get us but those are negative plays that kill our drives and keep the other teams drives going. It's just way too many penalties. Inferior players getting beat by better ones.They reach, they grab, they block in the back cause they're beat. Our O line and special teams are dumpster fires. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 1 hour ago, metzelaars_lives said: What in God’s name is #4 about?? To make sure you were paying attention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 24 minutes ago, PearlHowardman said: John - The river near you. Is it called Denial? If you're going to use a pun at least spell it that way. 27 minutes ago, billsfan_34 said: Good write up- Zay really had a great game and Allen played as solid as a rookie could, especially considering the poor oline play. I dont agree with you about pulling Phillips. He messed up and has to chose team over self, but yanking him in front pf his previous team could of lost him. Handle this behind closed doors come Tuesday. They tried that when he wouldn't calm down he got yanked to cool his head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 2 minutes ago, Warcodered said: If you're going to use a pun at least spell it that way. They tried that when he wouldn't calm down he got yanked to cool his head. Dumb penalty for sure- lets hope he chills some I think he is a heck of a player Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 (edited) Well...the penalties I can only be mad at to a degree...the Phillips play...the offsides...the illegal formations awhich fianlly seem to have gotten corrected in week 9...those are undisciplined and inexcusable. The holds, blocks in the back, etc on offense...those are penalties guys take when they are overmatched by their opponent and have to do something at the last second to avoid being beat cleanly many times. That is CLEARLY the case many times watching the OLine...they are trying but in the end simply dont have enough talent. So yes, while they are upsetting, realize that these have more to do with talent level than coaching. Edited December 3, 2018 by matter2003 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 1 hour ago, Virgil said: Expectations are the true killer of an NFL fan. The Bills have done a great job of lowering my expectations each season and allowing me to chalk up certain losses to rebuilding or talent. But this game was different. This game, I felt we should have won and when the final whistle blew, I still felt that way. This is easily the angriest I've been following a game in a few years because I was actually let down by the team. I usually try to take some time to let the game set in, but what's wrong with the occasional emotions? With that.... 1 - Allen - I'm going to start here and save others the time of reading all of this because it may turn you off. My overall statement about Allen is that he did enough to win the game. That's the best I can put it. He did his typical rookie thing and showed some flashes, both to the negative and the positive. He had a really poor interception. He missed a wide open Foster and Zay Jones for TD's. But, because the game is 60 minutes, he also made the throw at the end that should have won the game. I believe that you have to look at the entire body of work and not just certain plays. I could equally make a low-light reel for him as I can a highlight reel. Here's the my biggest positive take away from Allen. This kid shows zero fear and doesn't take setbacks. He can be 3rd and 20 and 20 after two penalties and he will still stare the defense down. He will take hits, he will have guys running at him, and he will just get it done. When we started the final drive and they were showing stats, all I could think about was Tyrod. How this was a Tyrod stat and game where you just knew he wouldn't get it done. I can say that and I paid praise at the Church of Tyrod. But this is where Allen is just plain different. He's not phased by any of it. He marched us right down field and made the passes he needed to. He got hosed on a bad call and wasn't supported in the endzone. Yes, it was wobbly and a few yards behind Clay, but it was a catch an NFL player should make. Bottom line, if Allen can get his accuracy under control. I'm talking maybe 10% better, he's really on the right path. If he did that today, we wouldn't have needed the final drive to try to win, but he's a rookie and hopefully getting there. 2 - Running Game - What made Allen's performance more impressive today, as well as show's why defenses have to respect his legs, is that he got almost zero support from the rushing attack. For some reason, Daboll was calling stretch plays for Ivory, which isn't his strength. Shady was getting taken down by arm tackles again and the overall rushing attack was weak at best against a defense high susceptible to the run. In fairness, it didn't look like there were a lot of holes up the middle, but it didn't seem like we tried much there either. Overall, really disappointed to see the result in this phase of the game that could have helped sustain drives. 3 - Zay - Now there's a guy who absolutely supported Allen. Zay had 2 touchdowns today and honestly could have had 4. One was a terrible throw by Allen. Another was a non-throw, but the replay showed him wide open deep down the center of the field. His almost catch at the end of the game, while getting mugged, was almost beautiful. His toe-tapping catch from our own 2 yard line was fantastic. Overall, it was great to see this kind of game from Zay against a good secondary and even better to see the rapport build between him and Allen. 4 - Goodbye my old friend. You could have lived a little longer, I could be closer to my dream. You were so loved, Don Tommasino. Why was I so feared, and you so loved? What was it? I was no less honorable. I wanted to do good. What betrayed me? My mind? My heart? Why do I condemn myself so? I swear, on the lives of my children: Give me a chance to redeem myself, and I will sin, no more. 5 - McDermott - I'm going to get to the Refs in a second and I usually wait until the end to talk about McDermott, but I'm overall very disappointed in him for this game. Beyond some of the bad calls was overall sloppy play. For a guy who preaches process, the penalties are getting out of hand. Phillips should have been yanked from that game after his unsportsmanlike conduct penalty. I get that penalties are up in the league and I'm not a conspiracy theorist by any means. McDermott needs to get this cleaned up as it's one of the key areas that cost us this game. 6 - Refs - This is now the second Bills game that has taken 3+ hours and penalties are a large part of it. I get the old adage that holding can be called on any given play. I get that it's a high speed, contact game. But there's just something not right with how these games are getting called. First off, Hughes should pay a friend to film every play he takes a snap on. This guy gets held more than any player I've ever seen. It's ridiculous. The non PI on Zay at the end was terrible. I still believe that should have been a safety on Tannehill. I don't really have an answer for this problem, but officiating is a problem and it's greatly affecting these games. 7 - Crossman - At what point are coaches accountable for player performance. We gave up 11 points on special teams today in a game we lost by 4. We had a couple of good punts, but one almost blocked as well and one muffed. The pooch kickoff almost went out of bounds and we had to missed FG's (I'm counting the extra point). Crossman's unit is a point of discussion almost weekly and special teams need to be seen and not heard. I'm ready for McDermott to move on from him this offseason. 8 - Defense - I hate to lump the defense into one thought but here we are. They gave up two long drives today and hurt themselves with some penalties. Outside of that, they were fantastic. They have multiple drives where they gave up negative yards. Tannehill got knocked around a lot and they were ball hawks. On the 3rd and short wildcat play at the end, I loved how they just abandoned the WR's and went after them. That play stood no chance. The defense did their job today and I'm glad to see Milano and Edmunds continue to develop. If Hughes could stop getting held so much, it would be even better. 9 - Clay/Benjamin - How soon can these guys be cut? I don't know what happened to Clay and I've never seen it from Benjamin on this team. Clay's drop wasn't easy, but it also was very catchable and should have been for the 7+ mil a year he's getting. If you can't focus and make that play, you shouldn't be in the NFL. These guys are both salary that needs to go elsewhere. 10 - 8 Losses - I know we weren't going to beat the Pats in New England, but the 8 loss mark was something I was dreading. It was fun to have hope and watch the Jags beat the Colts. I know we aren't mathematically eliminated yet, but we know an 8-8 team isn't going to make it. I think that's what made this game so frustrating. We should have won this game and I honestly felt like we were the better team today. It's a tough pill to swallow, especially against the Fins. I'll do what I did all season and look for the positives in our "rebuilding" year. Go Bills! To make you feel better about not having a chance at the Playoffs, yea the Colts lost, but the Ravens are apparently unbeatable with Lamar Jackson and, even with a win, have 2 games and a tie-breaker over us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, SCBills said: To make you feel better about not having a chance at the Playoffs, yea the Colts lost, but the Ravens are apparently unbeatable with Lamar Jackson and, even with a win, have 2 games and a tie-breaker over us. We thought our D did a number on Miami limiting them to 175 yards? Baltimore held Atlanta to 131 yards, scored a TD and only allowed 10 points... That D is scary good. Edited December 3, 2018 by matter2003 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dickleyjones Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 53 minutes ago, PearlHowardman said: Guarantee that Sean McDermott and Brandon Beane see the same accuracy problem with Josh Allen that I do. You can't run away from it. And there's a very low probability of correcting it. 5th! What do you know about the probability of improving Josh Allen's acurracy? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 1 hour ago, PearlHowardman said: John - The river near you. Is it called Denial? No but the stink off your posts makes me think you bathe in ***** god you are such a troll 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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