Josh Allen's progress

[billspro]

2 hours ago, zonabb said:

Honestly want this kid to be the franchise. Love the attitude. Love competitiveness and fire. Love the leadership. Everything a team wants as far as the intangibles. 

 

But with that, I see zero progress, which pains me to say. Still horribly inaccurate. Can't overcome bad OL and WR play when you're at fault a lot for bad passes. Sorry but too much blame being paid to drops and too many "but his adjusted completion percentage..." homers who refuse to let their eyes and not their hearts judge. He's not improved here one bit. Part of that is likely because his footwork is still horrible. Today he threw many bad passes off his back foot, relying on his arm strength but that can't overcome bad mechanics. And I think he's slow to process the game, both pre-snap reads and progressions. 

 

7 TDs in 11 starts is a joke in this league. Part of it is a bad supporting cast but we've seen soooo many QBs with bad players around them at least overcome some of that and show promise. He's been outplayed by Mayfield and Darnold (queue the "they were drafted ahead of him so it's not the Bills fault... not a legit counter when they had draft capital and by all accounts were in love with this guy). And he's not looking better than Rosen. 

 

I'm not saying this because I want him to suck. I just spent about 20 minutes looking up the first few years of some great QBs since 2004, looking for bad rookie years followed by improvement. They exist. I want this guy to be it. But I never wanted him because he was the prototype I hate and rarely every succeeds...physical freak with years of embedded bad habits that are hard to overcome. We're see this now. 

 

If he comes out next week and plays like this again, we go into the offseason wondering what this guy is. Been watching every second of every game because of him and I'm not seeing the progress I had hoped and we're running out of season. If this week's performance is the same next week.... I'm wondering if anyone can honestly say there's improvement?

 

 

Everyone has a different opinion. I have seen way more progress than I expected when we drafted him. I am optimistic he is the franchise.

[34-78-83]

Just now, Looper said:

 

No, I'm in the Allen is a rookie and expect some mistakes brigade. The title in the R-1st article implies he's been making excuses.

I think they meant that in their minds, a developing QB gets one year of excuses then is on the hook 100% for results in year 2....which is not how the teams necessarily look at it at all.

[26CornerBlitz]

3 minutes ago, Looper said:

 

Whatever bud - I'm sure there are others who would read the title and feel the same way.

 

We all know that's not the case as does the writer who covers the team for the Rochester market. 

 

2 minutes ago, 34-78-83 said:

I think they meant that in their minds, a developing QB gets one year of excuses then is on the hook 100% for results in year 2....which is not how the teams necessarily look at it at all.

 

Exactly and he also mentioned Darnold and Rosen moving forward. 

Edited December 24, 2018 by 26CornerBlitz

[Seventeen]

1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

We all know that's not the case as does the writer who' covers the team for the Rochester market. 

 

I knew that was the case before reading the title. 

[Andy1]

3 minutes ago, Looper said:

 

No, I'm in the Allen is a rookie and expect some mistakes brigade. The title in the R-1st article implies he's been making excuses.

It is a stupid title for their little clip. It could just as easily been titled “Allen’s rookie year of learning is almost over”. It is also presumptive that the lack of talent on offense will be fixed in the timeline that they decide. 

[26CornerBlitz]

Just now, Looper said:

 

I knew that was the case before reading the title. 

 

You also took it out of context without reading the piece or listening to the embedded video. 

[CincyBillsFan]

28 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

What a complete crock from Thad Brown.  It's not about excuses with most of us.  We're more then willing to admit that Allen has plenty of room to improve.  We also freely accept that today was an average day for him.  The problem is that this sports writer IGNORES all the big plays left on the field by our under-performing WR's & TE's. 

 

He calls out the McKenzie drop as the only mistake by these guys that can't be argued?  Are you kidding me!  The long pass to Foster wasn't a "good deep throw" it was a great read followed by an EXCELLENT deep throw.  What does an 82 yard TD pass there do for the offenses & Allen's confidence and the the outcome of this game?  82 dropped a "tough catch"?  BS - that was a very catchable ball in the NFL.

 

Sure even had his WR's & TE's made the plays today that they should have Allen would still have thrown some bad balls and he would still have a lot of work to do.  He's a rookie for crying out loud.  But if his skill players actually made plays today we would have had an exciting game to watch, Allen's stats would have looked a lot better and most importantly we may have beat the Pats! 

[Seventeen]

Just now, Andy1 said:

It is a stupid title for their little clip. It could just as easily been titled “Allen’s rookie year of learning is almost over”. It is also presumptive that the lack of talent on offense will be fixed in the timeline that they decide. 

 

Exactly 

[billspro]

27 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

Anyone that didn't see today's performance coming doesn't watch much football aside from Bills' games.

 

NE was always going to play Man-Spy against us and force out pass catchers to make plays down the field.

 

They failed in spectacular fashion, and so Allen did what Allen does: try way too hard to make things happen.

 

Because, like it or not, he's the team's ENTIRE offense. He once again accounted for 86% of the team's offensive yardage and was victimized by brutal drops.

 

Does that excuse his critical mistakes? Of course not. He had 2 bad INTs and a few bad misses. He bailed at least 3 clean pockets as well. Rookies gonna rookie yo.

 

But anyone that doesn't see a difference between week 1 Josh Allen and Week 16 Josh Allen is blind.

 

Glad to have a voice of reason on here.

[Seventeen]

Just now, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

You also took it out of context without reading the piece or listening to the embedded video. 

 

Why don't you drop it ? Are you the interpretation police ? 

[26CornerBlitz]

Just now, Looper said:

 

Why don't you drop it ? Are you the interpretation police ? 

 

You are apparently since you took offense to it without actually reading it.  Josh can withstand criticism, so maybe you can too. 

[billspro]

10 minutes ago, Looper said:

 

Whatever bud - I'm sure there are others who would read the title and feel the same way.

 

It’s a completely bias title.

[Seventeen]

1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

You are apparently since you took offense to it without actually reading it.  Josh can withstand criticism, so maybe you can too. 

 

Actually now I remember why I had you blocked before. Thanks.

[26CornerBlitz]

1 minute ago, Looper said:

 

Actually now I remember why I had you blocked before. Thanks.

 

Keep it that way this time. 

[billspro]

2 hours ago, vincec said:

If they had Jerry Rice and Randy Moss then he might have even completed more than 50% of his passes today.

 

Also would have had 100 more yards, 3 more TDs, and a W.

 

Unfortunately, we arguably the worst WR core over the last five years.

[CincyBillsFan]

37 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

Anyone that didn't see today's performance coming doesn't watch much football aside from Bills' games.

 

NE was always going to play Man-Spy against us and force out pass catchers to make plays down the field.

 

They failed in spectacular fashion, and so Allen did what Allen does: try way too hard to make things happen.

 

Because, like it or not, he's the team's ENTIRE offense. He once again accounted for 86% of the team's offensive yardage and was victimized by brutal drops.

 

Does that excuse his critical mistakes? Of course not. He had 2 bad INTs and a few bad misses. He bailed at least 3 clean pockets as well. Rookies gonna rookie yo.

 

But anyone that doesn't see a difference between week 1 Josh Allen and Week 16 Josh Allen is blind.

 

This is such a true comment.  Facing press coverage the WR's did not make the plays they needed to downfield.  And yes, the more Allen presses the riskier his passes become.  And why take the check down pass to a stable of RB's who can't break a tackle or make a defender miss?  

 

And they were BRUTAL drops.  Because they occurred at critical times in the game.  The McKenzie drop and Foster not finding that deep pass happened early in the game when the Bills had a chance to get out front and establish some momentum.  Then at several points in the games after the D got a TO and we were moving the ball drops kept us from making it a game and recapturing momentum. 

 

Allen has improved since week 1.  Sure it's an uneven process but the trajectory is clearly in the right direction.  

Edited December 24, 2018 by CincyBillsFan

[26CornerBlitz]

Just now, CincyBillsFan said:

 

This is such a true comment.  Facing press coverage the WR's did not make the plays they needed to downfield.  And yes, the more Allen presses the riskier his passes become.  And why take the check down pass to a stable of RB's who can't break a tackle or make a defender miss?  

 

And they were BRUTAL drops.  Because they occurred at critical times in the game.  The McKenzie drop and Foster not finding deep pass happened early in the game when the Bills had a chance to get out front early and establish some momentum.  Then at several points in the games after the D got a TO and we were moving the ball drops kept us from making it a game and recapturing momentum. 

 

Allen has improved since week 1.  Sure it's an uneven process but the trajectory is clearly in the right direction.  

 

Not today.  Hopefully back on track next week as head into the offseason. 

[Seventeen]

2 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Keep it that way this time. 

 

No prob - all of the threads load much faster.

[SCBills]

Since so many here have a hard on for Mahomes, I’ve already seen like 5 catches his guys have made to extend drives that nobody on our team does.  

 

Give Allen legitimate weapons and you can easily add another 100 yards passing, and probably 2 TD’s to his ledger, in a game where he admittedly struggled to overcome the OL/RB/WR/TE issues. 

[CincyBillsFan]

2 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Not today.  Hopefully back on track next week as head into the offseason. 

I really do believe that even today we saw more good things from Allen then bad things.  Some folks have compared this game to the GB game.  But I don't see it.  Allen was much more composed in the pocket and while his 2 INT's were bad they were no where near as bad as the picks he had against the Packers.

 

And when the Packers game ended I don't recall a half dozen big plays/TD plays being left on the field by our WR's & TE's.  Unlike in GB, Allen was getting the ball to his play makers.  the problem is they wern't making any plays.