Anonymous Poll: Would you support a Bills waiver claim for Kareem Hunt?

[Hapless Bills Fan]

28 minutes ago, 1ZAYDAY1 said:

Did he hit a woman?

It looked more like a shoving confrontation that ended with a 50% effort kick to her butt.

Im more outraged over the fact of how silly it all looked vs a “brutal” attack.

I don’t condone his actions there, but I’d take him in a heartbeat. Now Ray Rice, Rueben Foster repeat etc. No way.

I just think there’s guys on here trying to take some super high road etc. This was just a silly drunken mess a lot of shoving. The only swing I saw was her trying to hit him.

 

I'm wondering about the "50% effort kick to her butt".   Just how do you quantitate that effort?  And when, according to your quantitation, does the action start to matter?  55% effort?  75%?  90%?  Or does it only count if we all agree he is going full-out?

 

Does the force exerted play into it at all? Let's say I'm kind of a Flabby McFlabCakes type and I kick someone with 100% effort but less force than Hunt's 50% effort.  Can I now go around kicking people who are crouching on the ground posing no current threat to me full force, and get a free pass from ya? 

 

Is the location of the kick relevant?  If it were a kick to her butt, is that less worthy of notice than a kick to her thigh or kidneys (which is where I see the kick landing)?  What if he were aiming to give her a kidney rupture or compartment syndrome in the thigh, but only managed the butt 'cuz drunk?  Does that mean we should care more, or less? 

 

Lastly, I'm a bit curious about the "did he hit a woman?" question followed by the "50% effort kick to her butt" coda.  We all agree the woman was struck by an extremity connected to Kareem Hunt, right?  Does it somehow make it more chill if the extremity is covered by shoe leather vs terminating in curled fingers?

 

I'll tell you what I think is silly - it's folks trying to make excuses for something that's plainly wrong and has no extenuation - a guy delivering a blow to a girl who is crouching and looks like she's trying to collect her things, posing no current threat that arguably calls for self defense from him.  It would be wrong if it were the girl kicking him, it's wrong with it him kicking her.  Whether he expended 50, 65, 80 or 100% effort does not matter, and neither does the location where his kick landed.  It's wrong, and it's not less wrong because the extremity used to deliver the blow was at the end of his leg rather than his arm.

 

 

 

 

[ColoradoBills]

As I said in the other post, I am almost certain that Clark Hunt (Owner/CEO of the Kansas City Chiefs) was in full agreement with releasing Kareem Hunt.

Situations like this go beyond whether there are criminal consequences or not.  Under Armor evidently felt the same,  as it is their right to.

 

The Buffalo Bills entertaining ideas of signing Kareem Hunt would no doubt be a decision made by the owners Terry and Kim Pegula.

If the question was, "Do you think Terry and Kim Pegulas would approve signing Kareem Hunt"?  I would answer probably not.

 

Will another teams owner decide to approve a Kareem Hunt signing?  Time will tell if any other owner approves signing him, as it is their right to.

[H2o]

It's a no from me. I also can't see our owner or FO signing off on it. Not only did he do this, but apparently lied to their faces about it as well. 

[YodaMan79]

After watching the video I don't see the comparison to Ray Rice.  Was he in the wrong and a total idiot?  Yes.  It takes two, and this young lady was instigating the process every step of the way.  The Ray Rice video was in another league in comparison.  He was cut because he lied to the organization on the severity of the altercation.  He'll pay the price, but compared to Big head Ben,  Mixon, Hill, Hardy, or take your pick of FSU QBs, he'll be claimed.  Why shouldn't it be the Bills?  The roster isn't full of choir boys.  If he gets help and can show he's doing everything the right way it's a low risk acquisition.  Football is entertainment, as we've seen, the industry is cesspool.  We shouldn't bank on them on being a societal moral compass. McCoy is on this team, enough said.  

Edited December 1, 2018 by YodaMan79

[Mr. WEO]

Forget Kareem...has anyone considered taking a look at Mike Hunt?

[Tyrod's friend]

without going through all the responses, I'm sure others have noted - this is not a singular event in his lifetime.
 

Putting it a different way - I've never raised a hand to a woman in any way, shape or form and I have been physically attacked. No excuse, none, and no place in our locker room.

[Amaru523]

Maybe this has already been said, but he sounds like Cowboys or Raiders material.

[Tyrod's friend]

21 minutes ago, YodaMan79 said:

After watching the video I don't see the comparison to Ray Rice.  Was he in the wrong and a total idiot?  Yes.  It takes two, and this young lady was instigating the process every step of the way.  The Ray Rice video was in another league in comparison.  He was cut because he lied to the organization on the severity of the altercation.  He'll pay the price, but compared to Mixon, Hill, Hardy, or take your pick of FSU QBs, he'll be claimed.  Why shouldn't it be the Bills?  The roster isn't full of choir boys.  If he gets help and can show he's doing everything the right way it's a low risk acquisition.  Football is entertainment, as we've seen, the industry is cesspool.  We shouldn't bank on them on being a societal moral compass. McCoy is on this team, enough said. 

First, I could care less if McCoy is on the team. He shouldn't be. But you are asking me to extend, to bring to the team, new added problems. I could add that there is no video of Shady, no proof and he is, to this point, being investigated but cleared as of right now.  Not quite the same thing Hunt.

Second, what in the name of all that is good does Ray Rice have to do with this? Does a player have to descend to Rae Carruth? Are there somehow a degree of culpability in striking a woman?

Does it have to be as bad as what some other piece of scum did, to make it beyond what is acceptable to how you want your mother, daughter, sister treated? On top of that, he lied to his team and to management. 

A team is bigger than a player, any player. At any rate, there isn't a chance in HELL that the Pegula family would bring this POS into town. Thank god.

[ThunderGun]

6 minutes ago, Tyrod's friend said:

First, I could care less if McCoy is on the team. He shouldn't be. But you are asking me to extend, to bring to the team, new added problems. I could add that there is no video of Shady, no proof and he is, to this point, being investigated but cleared as of right now.  Not quite the same thing Hunt.

Second, what in the name of all that is good does Ray Rice have to do with this? Does a player have to descend to Rae Carruth? Are there somehow a degree of culpability in striking a woman?

Does it have to be as bad as what some other piece of scum did, to make it beyond what is acceptable to how you want your mother, daughter, sister treated? On top of that, he lied to his team and to management. 

A team is bigger than a player, any player. At any rate, there isn't a chance in HELL that the Pegula family would bring this POS into town. Thank god.

McCoy’s rep was already bad BEFORE his recent allegations, the dude is a pos.

 

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/11508449/lesean-mccoy-philadelphia-eagles-left-20-cent-tip-statement-service

 

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/17594571/police-officers-sue-buffalo-bills-rb-lesean-mccoy-bar-fight

 

and then the recent stuff against him that doesn’t involve the woman who was beaten to a pulp by an assailant he “obviously” had nothing to do with-

 

https://www.google.com/amp/amp.si.com/nfl/2018/09/19/lesean-mccoy-bills-child-abuse-allegations-lawsuit

Edited December 1, 2018 by ThunderGun

[Mopreme]

3 hours ago, Max Fischer said:

My God. One-Third of you would bring him in?  What's wrong wit you people?  

Whats wrong with you? Three down back with loads of talent. This is football and a business.  The guy made a mistake.  Yes he was wrong to be physical with that girl but the video doesn’t tell the whole story. 

[YodaMan79]

Tyron's Friend:

I make the comparison to Rice because every media outlet has made the comparison and I don't see it.  We agree on McCoy, get him out of here.  But he isn't, so why not Hunt?  Hypocrisy runs rampant in all avenues of sport, especially the NFL.  This team is entertainment, nothing more.  And they've done a pretty crappy job at it for the past 20 years.  I'm not looking for the Bills set an example of moral high ground.  I know what's right and wrong and teach my children such.  If you don't think players already on the current roster haven't done the same if not worse, you're taking a naive view of things. Why do you watch the NFL at all?  

 

He's 23 and obviously very immature.  Like I originally said, in this situation it takes two for it to have escalated to the point it did.  Sometimes people need guidance and positive influence.  Who's to say the holy rollers within the organization couldn't "save" this young man.  I've seen enough domestic matters to know the woman isn't always the damsel in distress.  Not PC, but I don't care.  If that was my daughter I'd be disappointed in her, too.  Is it ever right to hit a woman, no.  But I also was fortunate to have been raised in an environment that stressed what was right/wrong and didn't have to rely on certain survival mechanisms.  I think of Warren Buffett in his documentary when he stated he was lucky to be born male, white and into a good family. He'll pay the price, more so then the average Joe.  Why can't the Bills help this young man and entertain us in the process? 

[RaoulDuke79]

Damn right I'd give him a shot. Is he an *****? Sure looks like it. Is he talented? Yep. I'd love to have a  winning team full of stand up guys, but that team doesn't  exist.  

[#34fan]

Fact:  Girl-punchers make me sick.

 

Only way I'd  put hands on a chick is if she's armed, and trying to kill me.

 

killing me slowly, like my wife has been doing for the past 11 years is allowed.

[GymShorts84]

Imagine if all those people weren't there to try and restrain him, this would have been a lot worse.  He hit and kicked a 19 year old girl.  I think he may play in the league again, but I hope it's not here. I don't know if I ever heard of the Tyreke Hill incident before today, but he benefited from no video and not being in the NFL when it occurred.  

 

Stop making excuses.  He's an adult, the NFL provides seminars on these exact situations, he made his bed and has to sleep on it.  

[without a drought]

30 minutes ago, #34fan said:

Fact:  Girl-punchers make me sick.

 

Only way I'd  put hands on a chick is if she's armed, and trying to kill me.

 

killing me slowly, like my wife has been doing for the past 11 years is allowed.

I thought she was keeping you out of trouble for the past 11 years.

[YodaMan79]

14 minutes ago, nedboy7 said:

Funny, I have a feeling half the country wouldn't mind a woman getting punched if she was a refugee. But that's today's selective reality. 

 

This has nothing to do with politics.  But if I was to pick sides on who would traditionally line up where, I think it would look like this:

 

Far right: lock him up and throw away the key, punish him into perpetuity 

Far left: poor kid, he didn't mean it, he been oppressed 

 

Most rational people know that's an idiotic way of looking at things.  How does what you posted relate in any fashion to this discussion?

 

But idiots like you want to politicize everything.  Not everything is black or white, pun intended (simply defined one way or another).  A lot of shades of grey here. 

Edited December 1, 2018 by YodaMan79

[#34fan]

29 minutes ago, The Drought said:

I thought she was keeping you out of trouble for the past 11 years.

 

She is... By killing my hopes and dreams one by one until I'm an empty husk of the energetic, adventurous young man she married... 

 

Other than that she's great...

[Doc Brown]

18 minutes ago, nedboy7 said:

Funny, I have a feeling half the country wouldn't mind a woman getting punched if she was a refugee. But that's today's selective reality. 

And people on here claim PPP is the cesspool.  

[YodaMan79]

Well, you used gross hyperbole to relate two topics that are not connected.  I haven't read one post that didn't think what he did wasn't wrong.

Edited December 1, 2018 by YodaMan79

[Alphadawg7]

4 hours ago, Warcodered said:

I'd honestly rather he not get picked up until the offseason to help cement how serious this is to him.

So these are the comments that confused me in that other thread. I asked if there had been another incident since he got dropped by OSU and I was told there hadn't been. You post makes it look like they should cut Hill because from the incident but they brought him in knowing about it.

 

If they are going to take a stance a cut a player for physical contact on women, then it doesn’t count unless they apply the same standards to Hill.  

 

Why does Hill get forgiven for a much more severe attack while Hunt on the same team loses his job?

 

Again, Chiefs do NOT get kudos while simoultaneously not holding Hill, a more severe offender, to the same standards.  They cut Hunt over PR, not over moral principle and it bothers me people are giving kudos to a team who isn’t really acting with principals.