keepthefaith Posted December 3, 2018 Posted December 3, 2018 (edited) 10 hours ago, H2o said: Terry's comments pretty much sum up the situation in my eyes as well. I disagree with Terry. A price should be paid by Hunt and quite likely will be, but he should be able to resume his career once he's made amends and demonstrates that he can be a positive to a team on and off the field. The incident on film certainly isn't good but it's not one which deserves total exile from one's living IMO. Hunt's public responses already have been very positive and remorseful. Edited December 3, 2018 by keepthefaith
H2o Posted December 3, 2018 Posted December 3, 2018 (edited) 12 minutes ago, keepthefaith said: Hunt's public responses already have been very positive and remorseful. Of course they have been, because the whole truth finally came out and there's nowhere to hide. He knows he has millions on the line. He could give a sh*t before that. Edited December 3, 2018 by H2o 1
keepthefaith Posted December 3, 2018 Posted December 3, 2018 6 minutes ago, H2o said: Of course they have been, because the whole truth finally came out and there's nowhere to hide. He knows he has millions on the line. He could give a sh*t before that. Admitting the mistake and committing to change is the first step. He's got a long way to go. Police came to hotel, checked it out, nobody hurt so they didn't pursue it (a mistake on their part). Now it's being dealt with as it should have been earlier. The whole thing is now at the beginning.
H2o Posted December 3, 2018 Posted December 3, 2018 3 minutes ago, keepthefaith said: Admitting the mistake and committing to change is the first step. He's got a long way to go. Police came to hotel, checked it out, nobody hurt so they didn't pursue it (a mistake on their part). Now it's being dealt with as it should have been earlier. The whole thing is now at the beginning. Again, he's admitting to and "remorseful" of it AFTER a video came out in which there is no way he can lie his way out of it. Do you expect him to say, "F*** that ho. She deserved it."? It's all for show and salvage purposes.
Doc Posted December 3, 2018 Posted December 3, 2018 13 minutes ago, keepthefaith said: Admitting the mistake and committing to change is the first step. He's got a long way to go. Police came to hotel, checked it out, nobody hurt so they didn't pursue it (a mistake on their part). Now it's being dealt with as it should have been earlier. The whole thing is now at the beginning. What do you pursue? Looks like two drunken fools where no one got hurt.
eanyills Posted December 3, 2018 Posted December 3, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Doc said: What do you pursue? Looks like two drunken fools where no one got hurt. The police body cam footage makes it pretty obvious that the police weren’t going to do anything to make the hotel’s high roller guest/Kareem Hunt look bad that night. Hell, the officers on scene tried to actively destroy all evidence of the event. Of course Hunt wasn’t arrested regardless of what they say now. Edited December 3, 2018 by eanyills
Doc Posted December 3, 2018 Posted December 3, 2018 6 minutes ago, eanyills said: The police body cam footage makes it pretty obvious that the police weren’t going to do anything to make the hotel’s high roller guest/Kareem Hunt look bad that night. Hell, the officers on scene tried to actively destroy all evidence of the event. Of course Hunt wasn’t arrested regardless of what they say now. Yeah but now we have the evidence. What do you charge him with? A felony? A misdemeanor even? Do you charge her?
eanyills Posted December 3, 2018 Posted December 3, 2018 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Doc said: Yeah but now we have the evidence. What do you charge him with? A felony? A misdemeanor even? Do you charge her? Now, nothing. And honestly, with how policing works in practice in this country, most urban departments aren’t making an arrest for a fight like that, even if they witness it without a victim filling out a complaint. The real problem, unrelated to Hunt, is Cleveland Police not checking the video or arresting Hunt once the victim asked them to. At that point, he should have been arrested. I’m way more upset about the corrupt policing that’s going unnoticed than Hunt’s actions (which were wrong and he should be suspended). I mean, there’s a video of the cops asking Hunt if he wants them to turn their body cams off, confiscating cell phones with video at the request of the hotel/Hunt, and arresting a witness for witnessing Kareem Hunt commit a crime! Edited December 3, 2018 by eanyills
Max Fischer Posted December 3, 2018 Posted December 3, 2018 20 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I think I understand where you're coming from. And it sounds like a marvelous moral high ground stance. But is it? I tend to think it's a bit more complicated. Football has violence at its core. As Eric Wood was quoted, "you can do things on a football field that are severely illegal anywhere else". So NFL football players are carefully selected, offense and defense, for being willing and able to unleash a certain fairly high level of violence every time they play, whistle to whistle. Successful players "bring the nasty." Even cerebral, best-behaved-off-field players. Retired-to-pursue-MIT-PhD OLman John Urshel said “There’s a rush you get when you go out on the field, lay everything on the line and physically dominate the player across from you,” he wrote. “This is a feeling I’m (for lack of a better word) addicted to, and I’m hard-pressed to find anywhere else.” So you take guys who are the very best of the best at laying down controlled violence between the whistles on a football field, many of whom come from a cultural background where they're taught from a young age "don't take nothing from no one, not ever" Yet you are Shocked, Shocked to find that some of them struggle with the "turn it off and put it away when the whistle blows"? In contrast, this is my surprised face. Come on. I'm not saying that Hunt's behavior towards that woman wasn't despicable (to borrow whatdrought's word). Just because something isn't surprising, or is something some young players have to learn, doesn't mean it's right. I'm saying that to paint it as a binary thing where either Hunt gets permanently voted off NFL Island or "we have to accept a certain level of violence and behavior", when a certain level of violence is in fact intrinsic to American football, strikes me as simplistic. No, wrong. Sorry, that’s a cop out. If this was true, football, hockey players and boxers would be cited for violence-related acts at a far higher rate than the rest of the population (especially if adjusted for getting targeted because of their profession). I’d bet that you see football players are no more prone to kicking women than say an office of accountants. What about prison guards? Any stats to show that they are much more violent? You’d certainly think so give that it’s a high stress, low pay job whereby they can get killed on a daily basis.
MILFHUNTER#518 Posted December 3, 2018 Posted December 3, 2018 11 hours ago, BillsFan2313 said: Josh Brown bro, Josh Brown. Not Josh Gordon, can you elaborate? Kind of hilarious your mind went straight to Josh Gordon though Point, proven? I had to google him i didnt know who he was. Just read up on him, and yeah he sounds like quite the esteemed individual. Now i know.
TwistofFate Posted December 3, 2018 Posted December 3, 2018 (edited) Not even close to Ray Rice, and you're kidding yourself if you think so. A push to a drunk broad for reasons unknown, is not the same thing as KO'ing your fiance in an elevator then trying to pick her up. He pushed some drunk skank, who clearly kept coming at him. The kick??? Please. Not even close to brutal. This isn't abuse. This isn't brutal. Edited December 3, 2018 by TwistofFate
Doc Posted December 3, 2018 Posted December 3, 2018 8 hours ago, eanyills said: Now, nothing. And honestly, with how policing works in practice in this country, most urban departments aren’t making an arrest for a fight like that, even if they witness it without a victim filling out a complaint. The real problem, unrelated to Hunt, is Cleveland Police not checking the video or arresting Hunt once the victim asked them to. At that point, he should have been arrested. I’m way more upset about the corrupt policing that’s going unnoticed than Hunt’s actions (which were wrong and he should be suspended). I mean, there’s a video of the cops asking Hunt if he wants them to turn their body cams off, confiscating cell phones with video at the request of the hotel/Hunt, and arresting a witness for witnessing Kareem Hunt commit a crime! Money gets you out of a lot of things. But in this case, there wasn't nearly enough to arrest him without arresting her as well.
keepthefaith Posted December 3, 2018 Posted December 3, 2018 (edited) 10 hours ago, eanyills said: Now, nothing. And honestly, with how policing works in practice in this country, most urban departments aren’t making an arrest for a fight like that, even if they witness it without a victim filling out a complaint. This is very true. 10 hours ago, Doc said: What do you pursue? Looks like two drunken fools where no one got hurt. Maybe a minor assault/battery charge and maybe underage drinking for a couple of them at which point the girls might prefer that the incident not be pursued criminally. Edited December 3, 2018 by keepthefaith
dpberr Posted December 4, 2018 Posted December 4, 2018 You'd think these guys in this era of #metoo, video everywhere and endless examples of nothing good happening after midnight in bars/hotels/casinos, they'd exercise a hell of a lot more situational awareness and stay the hell home and do whatever they are going to do...there. If you're making millions of dollars or on track to be a multi-millionaire, you don't need to be in these places. Ever.
Hapless Bills Fan Posted December 4, 2018 Posted December 4, 2018 On 12/3/2018 at 5:42 AM, Max Fischer said: No, wrong. Sorry, that’s a cop out. If this was true, football, hockey players and boxers would be cited for violence-related acts at a far higher rate than the rest of the population (especially if adjusted for getting targeted because of their profession). I’d bet that you see football players are no more prone to kicking women than say an office of accountants. What about prison guards? Any stats to show that they are much more violent? You’d certainly think so give that it’s a high stress, low pay job whereby they can get killed on a daily basis. I don't even know where to start with this. I'll start with asking you: How am I supposed to see whether or not football players are more prone to kicking women than accountants? Or for that matter, how are you supposed to see that? Remember I'm a "cop out", so be sure to spell it out clearly. What's your method? What's your monitoring technique? However, based upon data available, Nate Silver would appear to disagree with you.https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-rate-of-domestic-violence-arrests-among-nfl-players/ (the author is Ben Morris, but 538 is Nate Silver's site)
The_Dude Posted December 5, 2018 Posted December 5, 2018 Goodell deserves the ax for this. But he’s a spineless coward. So I bet he avoids any responsibility.
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