xsoldier54 Posted November 28, 2018 Posted November 28, 2018 1 hour ago, quinnearlysghost88 said: the kneeling (that almost doesn't happen anymore) before the games, most of which you never see on TV, makes the NFL virtually unwatchable? okay, got it. You are entitled to your opinion, but it is still going on, they just choose not to show it on TV. Pretending it doesn't exist does not mean it's not happening. If it doesn't bother you and you still wanna support these guys, then that's great. It does bother millions of other Americans and the only NFL football that I watch anymore is my Buffalo Bills. I won't support a bunch of millionaire athletes crying about being oppressed. Again, if it doesn't bother you, then great. As a veteran, I find it disrespectful to the men and women who have died in defense of our country. There is an established protocol for the playing of the anthem and it does not involve kneeling. 2
Gugny Posted November 28, 2018 Posted November 28, 2018 2 hours ago, xsoldier54 said: I would love to see them succeed and the NFL go completely out of business. The whole kneeling thing as well as all of the rule changes make the NFL virtually unwatchable in most cases. https://www.statista.com/statistics/615678/nfl-national-television-broadcast-deals/ Neither the kneeling thing, nor the rule changes, has hurt the NFL one bit. 1
Mr. WEO Posted November 28, 2018 Posted November 28, 2018 2 hours ago, HansLanda said: If this league ends up being even a little bit of a young feeder league to the NFL, it will be 100% fine. Not every person is ready to play in the NFL at age 22. Some really may be at age 25 if they have the chance to continue to play. As it stands now, there are so many guys that are out of the league that you never know if they would have continued to develop and just needed more marinating. Yeah, those guys are then replaced by better guys ready to play now. So it all works out. Anyway, hard to believe that some think that the NFL needs (another) "feeder league", as though the NCAA doesn't exist.
Gugny Posted November 28, 2018 Posted November 28, 2018 3 minutes ago, xsoldier54 said: You are entitled to your opinion, but it is still going on, they just choose not to show it on TV. Pretending it doesn't exist does not mean it's not happening. If it doesn't bother you and you still wanna support these guys, then that's great. It does bother millions of other Americans and the only NFL football that I watch anymore is my Buffalo Bills. I won't support a bunch of millionaire athletes crying about being oppressed. Again, if it doesn't bother you, then great. As a veteran, I find it disrespectful to the men and women who have died in defense of our country. There is an established protocol for the playing of the anthem and it does not involve kneeling. As a veteran, I find it disrespectful for people to criticize a peaceful protest that has nothing to do with millionaire athletes being oppressed. People don't go to games because their favorite teams suck; not because players knelt for a song. And it didn't hurt the NFL at all. TV networks are still giving them billions of dollars.
xsoldier54 Posted November 28, 2018 Posted November 28, 2018 2 hours ago, eball said: Says a guy spending his time on an NFL team's message board. Good take. Says the guy that supports his team and ONLY his team. I used to watch a lot of NFL football. Now I only watch the Bills. Regardless, I don't approve of the protests and neither do millions of other Americans. If you choose to, that's great, go for it. It doesn't make my or anyone else's opinion worth any less. 1
yungmack Posted November 28, 2018 Posted November 28, 2018 6 minutes ago, xsoldier54 said: You are entitled to your opinion, but it is still going on, they just choose not to show it on TV. Pretending it doesn't exist does not mean it's not happening. If it doesn't bother you and you still wanna support these guys, then that's great. It does bother millions of other Americans and the only NFL football that I watch anymore is my Buffalo Bills. I won't support a bunch of millionaire athletes crying about being oppressed. Again, if it doesn't bother you, then great. As a veteran, I find it disrespectful to the men and women who have died in defense of our country. There is an established protocol for the playing of the anthem and it does not involve kneeling. As a Catholic, kneeling is 2nd nature to me. As a Marine vet, I served to protect the freedom to protest. Different strokes, I guess, huh?
buffalobillswin Posted November 28, 2018 Posted November 28, 2018 The NFL already has a free minor league system...It's called college football
xsoldier54 Posted November 28, 2018 Posted November 28, 2018 4 minutes ago, Gugny said: As a veteran, I find it disrespectful for people to criticize a peaceful protest that has nothing to do with millionaire athletes being oppressed. People don't go to games because their favorite teams suck; not because players knelt for a song. And it didn't hurt the NFL at all. TV networks are still giving them billions of dollars. As a fellow veteran, I respect your opinion, I just happen to have a different one. Of course they have a right to do it. Just because you CAN do something doesn't mean that you should. You're wrong about the reason people don't go to games though. I have fellow veterans that are friends, some of which were season ticket holders who will not only no longer not buy tickets or go to games, they won't even watch. And that's just in my little circle of friends. The same thing is going on all over the country. Millions of us find it disrespectful. If you don't, then great, that's your right.
26CornerBlitz Posted November 28, 2018 Author Posted November 28, 2018 1 minute ago, xsoldier54 said: Says the guy that supports his team and ONLY his team. I used to watch a lot of NFL football. Now I only watch the Bills. Regardless, I don't approve of the protests and neither do millions of other Americans. If you choose to, that's great, go for it. It doesn't make my or anyone else's opinion worth any less. If you support the Bills, you essentially support the entire league and if the NFL goes out of business as you hope for then bye bye Bills. Your stance is rather disjointed. Most people didn't give a hoot about kneeling and just to remind you some Bills' players knelt too. In the grand scheme of things no one died over the protests that have all but disappeared.
GunnerBill Posted November 28, 2018 Posted November 28, 2018 Ooo Ooo how many of these crappy QBs have been on the Bills? Woodrum and Josh Johnson definitely have.
Gugny Posted November 28, 2018 Posted November 28, 2018 Just now, xsoldier54 said: As a fellow veteran, I respect your opinion, I just happen to have a different one. Of course they have a right to do it. Just because you CAN do something doesn't mean that you should. You're wrong about the reason people don't go to games though. I have fellow veterans that are friends, some of which were season ticket holders who will not only no longer not buy tickets or go to games, they won't even watch. And that's just in my little circle of friends. The same thing is going on all over the country. Millions of us find it disrespectful. If you don't, then great, that's your right. Cheers. Every pissed off veteran could never watch, or attend, another NFL game and the NFL wouldn't even notice, feel it, or care. They're still getting those advertising dollars.
xsoldier54 Posted November 28, 2018 Posted November 28, 2018 3 minutes ago, yungmack said: As a Catholic, kneeling is 2nd nature to me. As a Marine vet, I served to protect the freedom to protest. Different strokes, I guess, huh? As a fellow Catholic, I too kneel to pray, not to protest. Of course they have the right to do it and that is why we served. You're right about that. Because you CAN do something doesn't mean that you SHOULD however. If you don't have a problem with it, then that's great. I do and so do millions of other veterans. There is an established protocol for the playing of the anthem and it does not involve kneeling in protest. 1
xsoldier54 Posted November 28, 2018 Posted November 28, 2018 2 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: If you support the Bills, you essentially support the entire league and if the NFL goes out of business as you hope for then bye bye Bills. Your stance is rather disjointed. Most people didn't give a hoot about kneeling and just to remind you some Bills' players knelt too. In the grand scheme of things no one died over the protests that have all but disappeared. Oh well. Not watching the other games is my response and it DOES hurt the league. Not enough I'll admit and if it did they wouldn't be so wishy washy about it. I don't care what other people do, I do my thing and that is my personal response.
Gugny Posted November 28, 2018 Posted November 28, 2018 7 minutes ago, xsoldier54 said: Oh well. Not watching the other games is my response and it DOES hurt the league. Not enough I'll admit and if it did they wouldn't be so wishy washy about it. I don't care what other people do, I do my thing and that is my personal response. But isn't that kind of like boycotting big box stores, but still going to Walmart because they have the best deals on kitty litter?
xsoldier54 Posted November 28, 2018 Posted November 28, 2018 Just now, Gugny said: But isn't that kind of like boycotting big box stores, but still going to Walmart because they have the best deals on kitty litter? Not even remotely the same thing. IMO it's like boycotting the big box stores but still supporting your local Mom and Pop store. Regardless, It is my personal response and others can do as they like.
eball Posted November 28, 2018 Posted November 28, 2018 20 minutes ago, xsoldier54 said: Says the guy that supports his team and ONLY his team. I used to watch a lot of NFL football. Now I only watch the Bills. Regardless, I don't approve of the protests and neither do millions of other Americans. If you choose to, that's great, go for it. It doesn't make my or anyone else's opinion worth any less. Ok, so you're a hypocrite. Got it.
Gugny Posted November 28, 2018 Posted November 28, 2018 5 minutes ago, xsoldier54 said: Not even remotely the same thing. IMO it's like boycotting the big box stores but still supporting your local Mom and Pop store. Regardless, It is my personal response and others can do as they like. I'm sorry, but you're making no sense. By boycotting the big box stores, supporting local mom and pops is EXACTLY what one would do. You're boycotting the NFL, but still watching the Bills. That's just not how boycotts work. Because every time you watch a Bills game, you're feeding the NFL piggy bank.
yungmack Posted November 28, 2018 Posted November 28, 2018 21 minutes ago, xsoldier54 said: Oh well. Not watching the other games is my response and it DOES hurt the league. Not enough I'll admit and if it did they wouldn't be so wishy washy about it. I don't care what other people do, I do my thing and that is my personal response. If you're older than 49, you mean hardly anything to the NFL. In fact, if you're past 34, you are marginal.
Mark Vader Posted November 28, 2018 Posted November 28, 2018 1 hour ago, 1st&ten said: I think the Bills Fred Jackson played in NFL Europe also. This is true. Although to be specific, Fred Jackson was on the Bills practice squad and was an allocated player in NFL Europe. All teams had the option to do this with their practice squad players. Kurt Warner had no ties to any NFL team at all when he played in NFL Europe. 1 1
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