mary owen Posted March 25, 2005 Posted March 25, 2005 One thing there can be no doubt about is that he's 1000 times classier than any "fan" or media goat who for some reason can't allow a player, one who is among the top 10 in passing yardage among all quarterbacks to ever play in the NFL, to simply move on respectfully to another stop in his career journey without continued harassment from jackasses among the media and fan base who wouldn't have the courage to take a second snap at the quarterback position in live NFL action. I'd ask no fan to appreciate a player simply because he was a positive member of the WNY community, a good teammate and he got pounded for our entertainment, but for those of us who DO respect those of our warriors who fall into the above categories I'd ask the rest of you to simply let go of it. 287428[/snapback] what? we didn't just start a bash Drew thread. the post was about a comment HE made, a contradictory one at that. the interviewer asked him a question that allot of people wanted to know the answer to. He answered it, and we have opinions on HIS comment. i'm no less classier than Drew Bledsoe becuase i POSTED MY OPINION ON A FAN FORUM. Again, he gets credit for being classy because he's on a top ten football statistic list?????? I guess OJ's pretty classy too. Poor Drew. All of our posts about his lack of success with the Bills is harrassing this poor "classy" soul. gimme a break
mary owen Posted March 25, 2005 Posted March 25, 2005 I'll slow down a little to let the short bus catch up- The.....man......has.......thrown.........for........more.........yardage........under....... the......pressure......of........NFL.......defenses...........than...........all......... but.........9.........others.........in...........HISTORY. I should share with you that it's no secret that the chatter on your bus is about how players listed among the top 10 in the most important statistical categories through over 80 years of NFL history "suck". And in fact that conclusion among the members of your community is actually the answer to the age old question of why all the passengers in those other vehicles passing you are pointing and snickering in your direction! Wheeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 287880[/snapback] i happen to think that those who laugh at folks in a short yellow bus should refrain from lecturing others on what it is to be "Classy".
AKC Posted March 26, 2005 Posted March 26, 2005 Poor Drew. All of our posts about his lack of success with the Bills is harrassing this poor "classy" soul. gimme a break 287890[/snapback] Thank you for clarifying the question of whether there is any correlation between windows that won't roll down and obsessing over Dallas Cowboy quarterbacks.
Gavin in Va Beach Posted March 26, 2005 Posted March 26, 2005 I'll slow down a little to let the short bus catch up- The.....man......has.......thrown.........for........more.........yardage........under....... the......pressure......of........NFL.......defenses...........than...........all......... but.........9.........others.........in...........HISTORY. I should share with you that it's no secret that the chatter on your bus is about how players listed among the top 10 in the most important statistical categories through over 80 years of NFL history "suck". And in fact that conclusion among the members of your community is actually the answer to the age old question of why all the passengers in those other vehicles passing you are pointing and snickering in your direction! Wheeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 287880[/snapback] *Yawn* He has Top Ten yardage stats mainly because he's durable and has a cannon arm (meaning more completions of 10+ yards than your normal QB, aided also in part to his boneheadedness of patting the ball forever until the receiver he's locked on gets open). Do you think he's in the Top Ten of QB's in the following catagories: Leadership Decision making Mobility (able to avoid the rusher) Reading defenses Stepping up in The Big Game If you answered yes to any of the above, methinks the windowlickers have some company on that short bus. AKC you're a good guy but honestly I don't understand your obsessing over this Dallas Cowboys QB. Answer this one honestly- you think as of right now he'd be a first ballot Hall of Famer? Unless it's a really weak year for candidates I don't.
JoeF Posted March 26, 2005 Posted March 26, 2005 Gosh, its almost as if he still plays for the Bills. I like Drew. I like what he and his parents do with the foundation. I like the fact he is a dedicated dad who builds treehouses for his sons and loves his kids. But he's a Cowboy...I could care less what he says--and I hope we kick the sh-- out of him and his team if/when we have the opportunity.
Ramius Posted March 26, 2005 Posted March 26, 2005 The.....man......has.......thrown.........for........more.........yardage........under....... the......pressure......of........NFL.......defenses...........than...........all......... but.........9.........others.........in...........HISTORY. 287880[/snapback] this is what happens when the team you are supposed to be leading is playing from behind in every game...its called garbage time yards...
EndZoneCrew Posted March 26, 2005 Posted March 26, 2005 At first I felt sorry for Bledsoe and I really wanted him to succeed here because I always thought he was a "stand up" guy. But, after all of his comments, it just proves to me that he is "just another athlete" who lays the blame on everyone but himself. Suck it up Drew, you are a fine talented quarterback who can't GIT ER DONE when it counts. You never have and you never will, regardless of the situation. Hell, you couldn't win with a team and coach who have won 3 rings in 4 years. All in all, we wish you luck down in Big D but, the same record will play and play forever. BLEDSOE =GREAT STATS=LOSE BIG GAMES
AKC Posted March 26, 2005 Posted March 26, 2005 Answer this one honestly- you think as of right now he'd be a first ballot Hall of Famer? Unless it's a really weak year for candidates I don't. 287914[/snapback] I can't imagine him making the HOF at all unless Parcells pulls off some kind of miracle in Dallas this year. That doesn't change any of the three criteria I've laid out for players who I think deserve better than the infinitely repetitive drivel we suffer from the Bledsoe bashers. You've chosen to make excuses for why Beldsoe is among the top 10 in passing yardage instead of simply acknowledging that the guy has had a long and INCREDIBLY productive career. I can take the top 10 in rushing yardage too and go yada yada yada on why one is less deserving than another but the simple facts are irrefutable- Bledsoe has been durable, he's been sacked less than John Elway and he's put up more yardage than all but 9 other players in history. All while being a postive locker room and community guy. As far as I can see Bills fans aren't being asked by anyone to "feel lucky" that a record setter like Bledsoe played in our uniform. Frankly I think it brings shame upon our fraternity that a few CONTINUE to personally attack him while misrepresenting his career and accomplishments, all while he's no longer on our roster. Yeah, he hasn't won a SB- but neither did my favorite Bill's QB.
stuckincincy Posted March 26, 2005 Posted March 26, 2005 But not so positive on the field. In 2003, with the twin terrors GW and KG and their comedy of errors, he should have flung his helmet off and stormed off the field in responst to what was going on. He didn't, preferring a bleary-eyed hang-dog ok-ok-ok countenance. Not exactly Joe Kapp Billy Kilmer Jim Harbaugh Jim Kelly etc. demeanor...some leader, eh? That's when I gave up on him.
Bob in SC Posted March 26, 2005 Posted March 26, 2005 One thing there can be no doubt about is that he's 1000 times classier than any "fan" or media goat who for some reason can't allow a player, one who is among the top 10 in passing yardage among all quarterbacks to ever play in the NFL, to simply move on respectfully to another stop in his career journey without continued harassment from jackasses among the media and fan base who wouldn't have the courage to take a second snap at the quarterback position in live NFL action. I'd ask no fan to appreciate a player simply because he was a positive member of the WNY community, a good teammate and he got pounded for our entertainment, but for those of us who DO respect those of our warriors who fall into the above categories I'd ask the rest of you to simply let go of it. 287428[/snapback] I can't believe the continued Drew-bashing either. You got your wish, armchair critics, he's gone. A good quarterback with some obvious flaws that were accentuated by the situation he found himself in. Why the need to continue to berate him? Does it build you up to tear him down? Would you change your career and life's accomplishments (including work in the community) for his? I think not.
ajzepp Posted March 26, 2005 Posted March 26, 2005 A good quarterback with some obvious flaws that were accentuated by the situation he found himself in. 287952[/snapback] Bob, as another poster pointed out, Drew is the one who ran his mouth about his time with the Bills.....so I really don't see any problem with discussing it. As for your comment, why do you say that his flaws were 'accentuated' by the situation? What situation is that exactly? One with a good RB? A top ranked defense? The reason why Bledsoe is not, and will never be, considered a 'great' QB (even though you can find his name near the top of the stats) is because he never succeeds in making his teammates better. With Drew, it's the opposite......he has to have top notch players around him in order for him to succeed. We need a QB who can work with the players we have (many of whom are damn good, by the way) and help them become even better. That's what Favre does. That's what Manning, Brady, and McNabb do. It's what Drew CAN'T do, and it's the reason why he's in Dallas complaining about his former job in Buffalo.
Bob in SC Posted March 26, 2005 Posted March 26, 2005 Bob, as another poster pointed out, Drew is the one who ran his mouth about his time with the Bills.....so I really don't see any problem with discussing it. As for your comment, why do you say that his flaws were 'accentuated' by the situation? What situation is that exactly? One with a good RB? A top ranked defense? The reason why Bledsoe is not, and will never be, considered a 'great' QB (even though you can find his name near the top of the stats) is because he never succeeds in making his teammates better. With Drew, it's the opposite......he has to have top notch players around him in order for him to succeed. We need a QB who can work with the players we have (many of whom are damn good, by the way) and help them become even better. That's what Favre does. That's what Manning, Brady, and McNabb do. It's what Drew CAN'T do, and it's the reason why he's in Dallas complaining about his former job in Buffalo. 287961[/snapback] I described him as good, not great, and flawed. The situation he had was a mediocre offensive line, an average tight end, and an OK running back (until WM came along and gradually got up to speed, if he is there yet.) I agree - he needs top-notch players around him to succeed. He didn't have them. So, let's give him a break and move on. Sorry, but I cannot understand the venom hurled at Drew - a GOOD NFL quarterback and a good guy who is not a superstar. Actually, he's a lot like us, or even what we aspire to be. How many superstars on TSW? (I include myself in this critique.) Maybe that's the answer. Perhaps, the venom is BECAUSE we see ourselves in Drew, Travis, etc. and don't like what we see. Hmmmm.
Bob in SC Posted March 26, 2005 Posted March 26, 2005 Bob, as another poster pointed out, Drew is the one who ran his mouth about his time with the Bills.....so I really don't see any problem with discussing it. As for your comment, why do you say that his flaws were 'accentuated' by the situation? What situation is that exactly? One with a good RB? A top ranked defense? The reason why Bledsoe is not, and will never be, considered a 'great' QB (even though you can find his name near the top of the stats) is because he never succeeds in making his teammates better. With Drew, it's the opposite......he has to have top notch players around him in order for him to succeed. We need a QB who can work with the players we have (many of whom are damn good, by the way) and help them become even better. That's what Favre does. That's what Manning, Brady, and McNabb do. It's what Drew CAN'T do, and it's the reason why he's in Dallas complaining about his former job in Buffalo. 287961[/snapback] Something else. Does Drew have an inflated opinion of his talents? Sure. Sounds like most of us again. But what do we expect to have him say? "I'm a good but over-rated QB who holds the ball too long while patting it and run like I have rocks in my pants?" Hardly. He's human - that doesn't make him worthless as an NFL QB or lower than dirt as a human being. (I know you didn't say that, but others have essentially done so.)
mary owen Posted March 26, 2005 Posted March 26, 2005 Thank you for clarifying the question of whether there is any correlation between windows that won't roll down and obsessing over Dallas Cowboy quarterbacks. 287912[/snapback] sounds like your obsessing over the cowboy qb who lays blame on his former team(s) handling of him. his comment was about the Bills. Therefore, we Bills fans should be able to discuss it without a lecture. should we not discuss anything about Haslett's comments about the Bills simply because he is with the Saints now? hmmmm???????
AKC Posted March 26, 2005 Posted March 26, 2005 he needs top-notch players around him to succeed. He didn't have them. 287975[/snapback] You're talking about John Elway now, right? Because the same things said about Elway prior to the Pro-Bowl TE and RB showing up is what you're saying here about Bledsoe. And that's just the begining of the list. Favre won 1 SB with what was acknowledged as the best OL in football that year. Don't even get me started on the talent Troy Aikman had. Don't let the obsessive bashers here fool you- the thing that's got their panties all up in a wad is that the Bills did a class thing for a class guy by releasing him, and one of the best coaches in the league rained on their bashing party by signing him immediately. Now they're all making excuses about why Bledsoe might do well in Dallas- it's simply an absolute lack of conviction. If any one of them believed the hate tripe they've spewed here for two seasons they'd step forward and predict Bledsoe has no chance of a .500 season in Dallas this year. chirp chirp chirp chirp
stuckincincy Posted March 26, 2005 Posted March 26, 2005 I described him as good, not great, and flawed. The situation he had was a mediocre offensive line, an average tight end, and an OK running back (until WM came along and gradually got up to speed, if he is there yet.) I agree - he needs top-notch players around him to succeed. He didn't have them. So, let's give him a break and move on. Sorry, but I cannot understand the venom hurled at Drew - a GOOD NFL quarterback and a good guy who is not a superstar. Actually, he's a lot like us, or even what we aspire to be. How many superstars on TSW? (I include myself in this critique.) Maybe that's the answer. Perhaps, the venom is BECAUSE we see ourselves in Drew, Travis, etc. and don't like what we see. Hmmmm. 287975[/snapback] Posters, with a few exceptions, aren't flinging rocks at DB, Bob. Every team has the flaws you describe, some more, some less. But the realization is that with caps and FA, there is a compressed time frame. A qb who for 2 1/2 season hasn't distinguished himself is going to be a target. So to feel that folks are unfair regarding DB doesn't hold much water. Fans invest time, emotion, and a considerable amount of money. And DB's return on their investment was not very satisfactory. Now, it's not that fan disapproval condemns a NFL quarterback to a life of poverty. Even the lowest paid quarterback makes more money over their nine months on the job (with free food for much of that time, the best of medical care, etc.) in one contract year than many fans make in, dunno, 15 to 20 years. And most qb's have multi-year iron-clad employment contracts - unlike the fan base. It's not wrong to be critical.
AKC Posted March 26, 2005 Posted March 26, 2005 It's not wrong to be critical. 287990[/snapback] It's not wrong to be constructively critical, to be accurately croitical or fairly critical. But to repetitively and personally attack a player who hasn't raped or murdered anyone, stabbed teammates in the back or shown up 50 pounds overweight but instead showed up to work and obviously tried to perform his duties- and at times did that spectacularly- there's a point at which it's too much. And it's way beyond too much right now.
stuckincincy Posted March 26, 2005 Posted March 26, 2005 It's not wrong to be constructively critical, to be accurately croitical or fairly critical. But to repetitively and personally attack a player who hasn't raped or murdered anyone, stabbed teammates in the back or shown up 50 pounds overweight but instead showed up to work and obviously tried to perform his duties- and at times did that spectacularly- there's a point at which it's too much. And it's way beyond too much right now. 288001[/snapback] AKC - who is doing that? If you think some are, ignore them. Easy... C'mon...
mary owen Posted March 26, 2005 Posted March 26, 2005 It's not wrong to be constructively critical, to be accurately croitical or fairly critical. But to repetitively and personally attack a player who hasn't raped or murdered anyone, stabbed teammates in the back or shown up 50 pounds overweight but instead showed up to work and obviously tried to perform his duties- and at times did that spectacularly- there's a point at which it's too much. And it's way beyond too much right now. 288001[/snapback] i think it's wrong for anyone to be labeled a _______ Basher simply for stating their critical opinions of that player. For me, I don't go by many stats at all. I watched the games and saw the good bad and ugly of Drew Bledsoe. Let me tell you, I saw more bad and ugly then I saw good while he was in Buffalo. Class has nothing to do with it, really. I think it's more obsessive when people get real defensive whenever they see a post that's critical of Drew Bledsoe. No attacks going on here, just opinions. If someone felt he "sucked" then so be it. It's their opinion and they are fans like anyone else. why be so defensive about it?
Bob in SC Posted March 26, 2005 Posted March 26, 2005 Posters, with a few exceptions, aren't flinging rocks at DB, Bob. Every team has the flaws you describe, some more, some less. But the realization is that with caps and FA, there is a compressed time frame. A qb who for 2 1/2 season hasn't distinguished himself is going to be a target. So to feel that folks are unfair regarding DB doesn't hold much water. Fans invest time, emotion, and a considerable amount of money. And DB's return on their investment was not very satisfactory. Now, it's not that fan disapproval condemns a NFL quarterback to a life of poverty. Even the lowest paid quarterback makes more money over their nine months on the job (with free food for much of that time, the best of medical care, etc.) in one contract year than many fans make in, dunno, 15 to 20 years. And most qb's have multi-year iron-clad employment contracts - unlike the fan base. It's not wrong to be critical. 287990[/snapback] OK, good point. NFL players have it pretty good (for a few years). Then, they have to live off their name recognition and with their disabilities from being blind-sided by 300# freaks of nature. I believe it all evens out. Therefore, are we being a little unfair in expecting Super Bowl performance from everyone who makes it to the NFL and blasting those who turn out to be just OK. e.g., Henry or Bledsoe?
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