Dadonkadonk Posted November 26, 2018 Posted November 26, 2018 Seriously what is wrong with these people that want more Ivory. He has not been good for years. He hasn't even been good in short yardage situations this year. He is a fine pass blocker. He has good body lean. But he has one run over 20 yards all year. Watch all the players not just the guy with the ball. Watch the run blocking. It was terrible all day. Clay is a far superior in-line blocker than Croom and the interior line was beaten most of the day. I love Ivory's effort too. But don't mistake running hard into the back of a guard as talent. Shady is still great. The O-line is a mess. Keep taking shots downfield and replace Bodine, Miller, and Mills next year. Shady will put up 1200 yards. 1
Norcalbillsfan Posted November 26, 2018 Posted November 26, 2018 The penetration from the D line hurts shady, hes obviously not a power back. I think we should give ivory the ball more. Not sure why we don't use shady more in the passing game. Use shady/ivory like kamara/ingram. Play to shadys strengths.
Dadonkadonk Posted November 26, 2018 Posted November 26, 2018 11 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: I don't think McCoy is finished by any stretch of imagination. But he is 30, he is having his worst statistical year (of course, on what was almost a historically inept offense until the last couple games), and he hasn't broken any long runs through 11 games of this season. He is ready to phase into a more specialist role rather than an every down back. Did you watch the third play from scrimmage two weeks ago?
Buffalo716 Posted November 26, 2018 Posted November 26, 2018 Just now, The Frankish Reich said: I don't doubt he still has the talent to bounce back next year. My comment was more nuanced - (1) the Bills brass should realize that a running back on the wrong side of 30 has almost by definition lost a little something in elusiveness and/or durability; (2) but if used correctly (and I think that means a lot more in the passing game, getting the ball in space) and with somewhat better personnel around him, he will still be a very valuable player. It would be foolish to think he is the same player as when he was 26 but As we both alluded too, that doesn’t mean his game is totally gone I think a fresh hoss in the 3rd or 4th would be good for the Bills. Let him learn the pro game from Shady
Skins Malone Posted November 26, 2018 Posted November 26, 2018 11 minutes ago, Doc said: BTW, do they still make Shake 'N Bake? Yep and I helped 1
Jerome007 Posted November 26, 2018 Posted November 26, 2018 To me it was the blocking. There was no way from the games if he had lost a step or not since he was tackled as he touched the ball! Last 3 games, yes even the Jets, showed he indeed has lost a step. Still, he remains of the best out there and for the life of me I don't get why he is not more used as a receiver!
3rdnlng Posted November 26, 2018 Posted November 26, 2018 27 minutes ago, Doc said: BTW, do they still make Shake 'N Bake? Yes. I prefer seasoned bread crumbs though.
Formerly Allan in MD Posted November 26, 2018 Posted November 26, 2018 1 hour ago, PUNT750 said: He's lost that quick step. No more more shake & bake from his hips and feet. It happens to all great running backs. Do the coaches see it? He's lost any semblance of an offensive line that can open any kind of holes for him. He needs to be thrown to in space much more often than he is.
BuffaloBillsGospel Posted November 26, 2018 Posted November 26, 2018 2 hours ago, PUNT750 said: He's lost that quick step. No more more shake & bake from his hips and feet. It happens to all great running backs. Do the coaches see it? I see it much differently, surprisingly this OLine group is better pass blockers than run blockers, which isn't saying much since they are barely better at that. Unfortunately McCoy is a total waste this season but next year with some better blockers and hopefully a few better veteran WR's and he should be back to dominant form since he wasn't used all that much this year.
Boatdrinks Posted November 26, 2018 Posted November 26, 2018 One of the most often misstated football terms ever...the correct term used by scouts and personnel types is shake and break. Anyway, as for shake and bake , I think it’s still around and pretty tasty too.
Freddie's Dead Posted November 26, 2018 Posted November 26, 2018 Maybe a switch to Nizoral or Selsun Blue would help.
Dr. K Posted November 26, 2018 Posted November 26, 2018 Ivory or Murphy would have had more yards on the same runs with the same blocking today because they hit the hole and drive forward rather than trying to dance. If the blocking were better Shady would have looked better, but not in this situation. 1
davefan66 Posted November 26, 2018 Posted November 26, 2018 Sit upper deck, got a great look at how fast holes closed yesterday. The jags front 7 are fast, as soon as a hole opened, they closed in. To effectively run against that type of defense, you need a north-south runner, not a shake-and-bake type of guy. Shady could have gained more yards most every time he hit the hole if he just ran and didn’t juke. By the time he finished stutter stepping, the D was on him. Would have preferred Ivory getting the ball more yesterday. That being said, seems he has lost a half step. Against a fast defense it’s more apparent, but it’s been all season he isn’t hitting the hole as well as he used to. Not saying he’s washed up, last week he had a heck of a game. Also not saying it’s entirely his fault as the offensive lines blocking isn’t great. Just that he’s not hitting the hole like he has in the past.
Sweats Posted November 26, 2018 Posted November 26, 2018 Shadys doing his best impression of Reggie Bush out there.......and not the Saints Reggie Bush ether
racketmaster Posted November 26, 2018 Posted November 26, 2018 The fact that most of us wonder if McCoy is even better than a journeyman like Chris Ivory should tell you all you need to know. McCoy will show flashes of greatness from time to time but he is not the same player he once was. Watch the league and you will see how many dynamic and explosive backs there are playing right now. Let McCoy finish the year but I would be looking for an upgrade next year. I don't want him back because veterans of his status will expect to play a lot (maybe still start) and it will be to the detriment of the offense. We need an explosive RB, someone who can hit the hole and rip off chunk yards or take it the distance and can also be a factor in the passing game. Too many times, McCoy dances around and is tackled for a loss of minimal gain putting the offense if 2nd or 3rd and long situations. This should be an easy fix as you can find cheap, talented runners deep in the draft. 1
Greybeard Posted November 26, 2018 Posted November 26, 2018 11 hours ago, PUNT750 said: He's lost that quick step. No more more shake & bake from his hips and feet. It happens to all great running backs. Do the coaches see it? This OL is like a fritter. There are no holes.
DuckyBoys Posted November 26, 2018 Posted November 26, 2018 He is done as a difference maker. McCoy relies on speed/quickness and he has lost a step if not more. He might be able to stay around a few years if he accepts a role as a third down specialist or change of pace in a offense that throws to the backs a lot. Dude has a lot of mileage and a relatively small body to absorb all those hits
PUNT750 Posted November 26, 2018 Author Posted November 26, 2018 18 hours ago, John from Riverside said: The OP's posts are aweful Shady is fine.......we were not going to run all over a very good Jag defense I apologize for upsetting you with my posts. I did get quite a few responses. Most people had good observations and didn't think is was awEful (?)
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