Chicken Boo Posted November 29, 2018 Posted November 29, 2018 (edited) Some of us here are able to look at Allen objectively. The rest of you are homers, incapable of seeing anything but the good. Josh Allen is not above criticism. There is a lot here to be desired. His ball placement on dump offs, for example or him holding on to the ball for too long. He has "slow eyes". He is far from a finished product and it's apparent, so don't act surprised when fans point out glaring holes in his game. Edited November 29, 2018 by Chicken Boo 1
Billsfan1972 Posted November 29, 2018 Posted November 29, 2018 18 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said: Some of us here are able to look at Allen objectively. The rest of you are homers, incapable of seeing anything but the good. Josh Allen is not above criticism. There is a lot here to be desired. His ball placement on dump offs, for example or him holding on to the ball for too long. He has "slow eyes". He is far from a finished product and it's apparent, so don't act surprised when fans point out glaring holes in his game. Watched it and saw 2 bad passes and two others that could have been better. Otherwise all others seemed fine and his throwaways were perfectly fine too. Noted the one in the fourth after the 40 yard run and he rolled out, no one was open, and he did exactly what he should have done, throw it away. He made quick decisions and didn't have a whole lot of time. Sorry way too harsh if you think otherwise.
oldmanfan Posted November 29, 2018 Posted November 29, 2018 13 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said: Some of us here are able to look at Allen objectively. The rest of you are homers, incapable of seeing anything but the good. Josh Allen is not above criticism. There is a lot here to be desired. His ball placement on dump offs, for example or him holding on to the ball for too long. He has "slow eyes". He is far from a finished product and it's apparent, so don't act surprised when fans point out glaring holes in his game. I have gone back the last two games he played and looked at each play he ran. And tried to compare to earlier games like the Packers. If you watch them, and if you're objective, he's making progress. He is making reads quicker and getting the ball out quicker. He is more accurate. There are still some missed passes, but for example if you look at the Jacksonville game the only truly bad pass was that WR screen where he dumped the ball at the guy's feet. He does need to improve on those kinds of passes. Two passes he missed were communication issues with his WR. And most other ones he was on target with his throws, some of which were taken away by dumb penalties. If you watch the Houston game he again was hitting his targets consistently till he got hurt. So I think this accuracy thing is overblown; people lazily look at completion percentage and don't take into account other variables like drops or wrong routes. As for the "slow eyes" thing, that's just a canard used by guys like McShay who don't really understand the game of football. Like most any other young QB, Allen needs to learn and have the game slow down for him so he makes quicker reads etc. That goes hand in hand with holding the ball perhaps a bit too long. But again, look at the Jacksonville game. On his long TD pass to Foster, if he doesn't hold on too long, that pass never gets made. I am still amazed that ball came out as well as it did. People criticize his running, but that also comes down to reads. On his one long run, he read that the MLB wasn't watching, and it gave him a huge running lane, so he took it. I have no problem with critiquing the guy; as I have said often he has a long way to go. I do have a problem with people not actually using their eyes and seeing that he is making progress. If you don't see that he's making progress, it's because you don't want to see that he's making progress.
Simon Says Posted November 29, 2018 Posted November 29, 2018 Only 5 teams are averaging 300+ passing yards per game, and that does not include Brees & New Orleans. Tampa bay leads the league , but at 4-7,hardly a "great team". Falcons, also 4-7, are ranked 4th. It is not all about passing yards ; don't overlook the other facets of the game.
Billsfan1972 Posted November 29, 2018 Posted November 29, 2018 24 minutes ago, Pablocruise said: Only 5 teams are averaging 300+ passing yards per game, and that does not include Brees & New Orleans. Tampa bay leads the league , but at 4-7,hardly a "great team". Falcons, also 4-7, are ranked 4th. It is not all about passing yards ; don't overlook the other facets of the game. Please stop...... This is a passing league & need to be able to do it consistently. Name me a bad offense that is thriving?
dakrider Posted November 29, 2018 Posted November 29, 2018 2 minutes ago, Pablocruise said: Only 5 teams are averaging 300+ passing yards per game, and that does not include Brees & New Orleans. Tampa bay leads the league , but at 4-7,hardly a "great team". Falcons, also 4-7, are ranked 4th. It is not all about passing yards ; don't overlook the other facets of the game. Often team that have a high amount of passing yards do so because their losing by a lot and have to simply pass the ball and defenses are playing back. Passing yards has always been a deceptive statistic. The primary statistic is really number of wins. Can your quarterback win the game. Either by playing well all game and making good decisions, not turning the ball over and making necessary plays. And sometimes by being able to come back in games as well. The "slow eyes" thing is stupid. Quarterbacks are not able to see every player on every play nor make a great pass every play. I see great QB's make terrible throws every week. Aaron Rodgers made some real bad throws at the end of his last 2 games I saw including 1 swing pass he threw at the receivers feet. I've never seen a game where a quarterback has not made some mistakes, interceptions, fumbles, missing a receiver, etc. To call Allen's mistakes "glaring weaknesses" in his rookie year is ridiculous. As far as TD passes - the 14 yard TD run was the play call. They didn't have him pass it. The 2 runs on at the goal line were also play calls. Those should have been pass plays with an option to run. The thing I think Allen is weak on sometimes is the 10 yard pass, where he tries to let off on the ball. My advice is to not let off, drill the ball in there and receivers need to catch it. The only time he should worry about touch on his throws are screens and those quick swing passes. And near the goal line they need to have some more pass plays. The defense are going to be anticipating run so a receiver should have room to get open. But thats on the coaches too.
Chicken Boo Posted November 29, 2018 Posted November 29, 2018 3 hours ago, Billsfan1972 said: Watched it and saw 2 bad passes and two others that could have been better. Otherwise all others seemed fine and his throwaways were perfectly fine too. Noted the one in the fourth after the 40 yard run and he rolled out, no one was open, and he did exactly what he should have done, throw it away. He made quick decisions and didn't have a whole lot of time. Sorry way too harsh if you think otherwise. :16 1:44 2:39 2:51 - was a bad pass. Bad placement, awful touch on something that should be routine 3:30 3:57 he had a guy open right in front of him 4:04 Only 2 bad passes? Come on, man.
Billsfan1972 Posted November 29, 2018 Posted November 29, 2018 5 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said: :16 1:44 2:39 2:51 - was a bad pass. Bad placement, awful touch on something that should be routine 3:30 3:57 he had a guy open right in front of him 4:04 Only 2 bad passes? Come on, man. :16 Thrown into coverage and broken up. I'd say a good receiver shields ball from the defender. 1:44 Came after 2 beautiful third down completions called back for holding and a 3rd and 25. Any throw to KB and can't be sure whether he had a chance to catch it in any case. 2:39 was a perfect pass, coverage was there, but too could have shielded the ball and hung on. 3:30 Was the worst pass of the game 3:57 there were 2 defenders and at best a short completion. Good job throwing it away. 4:04 Allen hit and not great timing but a 3rd & 14 and tried for the 1st down. I take it even if he goes 28-29, you'll find faults with the incompletion (as Rivers did Sunday) or where the ball was placed?
Chicken Boo Posted November 29, 2018 Posted November 29, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Billsfan1972 said: :16 Thrown into coverage and broken up. I'd say a good receiver shields ball from the defender. 1:44 Came after 2 beautiful third down completions called back for holding and a 3rd and 25. Any throw to KB and can't be sure whether he had a chance to catch it in any case. 2:39 was a perfect pass, coverage was there, but too could have shielded the ball and hung on. 3:30 Was the worst pass of the game 3:57 there were 2 defenders and at best a short completion. Good job throwing it away. 4:04 Allen hit and not great timing but a 3rd & 14 and tried for the 1st down. I take it even if he goes 28-29, you'll find faults with the incompletion (as Rivers did Sunday) or where the ball was placed? Not true at all, but you can believe you'll have more excuses for bad football like you've demonstrated here. *correction. 2:39 was supposed to be 2:45 Edited November 29, 2018 by Chicken Boo
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